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Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his
blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Well, "the British lad" is currently been in Gran Canaria for days trying to get one of his two autopilots repaired. His father won't let him continue with only one autopilot. He has had plenty of other people aboard so by your standards he's disqualified too. Stephen |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Well, "the British lad" is currently been in Gran Canaria for days trying to get one of his two autopilots repaired. His father won't let him continue with only one autopilot. He has had plenty of other people aboard so by your standards he's disqualified too. Stephen Not unless he's accepted a tow. You can't sail around the world alone if you get towed part of the way. Having folks aboard in port doesn't disqualify the sailing. It would be no different taking a tow than it would be taking a crew to help you sail alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Well, "the British lad" is currently been in Gran Canaria for days trying to get one of his two autopilots repaired. His father won't let him continue with only one autopilot. He has had plenty of other people aboard so by your standards he's disqualified too. Stephen Not unless he's accepted a tow. You can't sail around the world alone if you get towed part of the way. Having folks aboard in port doesn't disqualify the sailing. I think they are going on test runs with others aboard. Could be wrong. It would be no different taking a tow than it would be taking a crew to help you sail alone around the world. What if the tow is taking you into port in a direction backward or sideways from your continued journey around the globe? Or you go back to the spot where you accepted the tow and continue from there on your own? Stephen |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Someone should tow the Wilbur and all his sock puppets out to sea and
set him adrift! |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Wilbur Hubbard and the most demanding trip you have made is ????? what do you expect of the guy die trying to get into port. Zac is having a go at something many of us wish we could do, a short tow into port is irrelavent, its like saying you cant pass someone your lines at the dock Get a life. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Drew" wrote in message net... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Wilbur Hubbard and the most demanding trip you have made is ????? what do you expect of the guy die trying to get into port. Zac is having a go at something many of us wish we could do, a short tow into port is irrelavent, its like saying you cant pass someone your lines at the dock Get a life. Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and low standards don't matter a lick. So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone around the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port then why not five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets becalmed in the middle of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned aboard a freighter and ride as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the winds pick back up? A thousand miles? Where is the cut-off point? What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing? He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's already cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with anything and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no mechanical aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time blabbing on satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly sailing alone. But, in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to mean he's the only one at the helm of his boat and making his own way. But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the minute he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around the world. His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his way ALL the way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed alone around the world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and out of port doesn't count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of the voyage around the world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another chunk out there and legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the world. It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical standards that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask yourself why you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in any life's pursuit? Probably. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Drew wrote:
and the most demanding trip you have made is ????? Staggering his huge arse from the couch to the kitchen to fry up some more Lard Lad junk food. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Drew" wrote in message net... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and low standards don't matter a lick. to be accused of cheatimg or fraud he would not have admitted to recieving the tow, he did not So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone around the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port then why not five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets becalmed in the middle of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned aboard a freighter and ride as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the winds pick back up? A thousand miles? Where is the cut-off point? What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing? He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's already cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with anything and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no mechanical aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time blabbing on satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly sailing alone. But, in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to mean he's the only one at the helm of his boat and making his own way. so you have never asked for advice my what a clever person you must be But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the minute he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around the world. His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his way ALL the way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed alone around the world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and out of port doesn't count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of the voyage around the world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another chunk out there and legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the world. If you knew jack **** you would be aware that he must sail back past where he will have picked up tow to continue thereby the milage "sailed will still be completed It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical standards that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask yourself why you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in any life's pursuit? Probably. why must you belittle the efforts of these you adventurers, would you prefer them to join street gangs and turn to crime. I say again get a life |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Drew" wrote in message net... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Drew" wrote in message net... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: Sorry, but Zac is now an admitted fraud and a cheater. Your opinion and low standards don't matter a lick. to be accused of cheatimg or fraud he would not have admitted to recieving the tow, he did not So your really think accepting a tow is irrelevant when sailing alone around the world??? Well then, if he can be towed two miles into port then why not five miles, or ten? A hundred, maybe? What if he gets becalmed in the middle of an ocean? Can he allow himself to be craned aboard a freighter and ride as deck cargo for 500 miles or until the winds pick back up? A thousand miles? Where is the cut-off point? What ever happened to people actually doing what they claim to be doing? He's claiming to sail alone around the world. Never mind that he's already cheating by sailing "by committee" with legions helping him with anything and everything. He can't repair a boom himself. He has no mechanical aptitude. He can't keep his motor running. He spends more time blabbing on satellite telephones than a teenage girl. That's hardly sailing alone. But, in a very strict sense it could be interpreted to mean he's the only one at the helm of his boat and making his own way. so you have never asked for advice my what a clever person you must be But even this loose interpretation all comes to a screeching halt the minute he accepts a tow. Then, he's definitely NOT sailing alone around the world. His boat is being TOWED for heaven's sake. Unless he makes his way ALL the way around the world under his own power he has NOT sailed alone around the world. And don't give me this crap that sailing into and out of port doesn't count. It definitely DOES count as it's all part of the voyage around the world. You can't snip a chunk out here and another chunk out there and legitimately claim you have sailed alone around the world. If you knew jack **** you would be aware that he must sail back past where he will have picked up tow to continue thereby the milage "sailed will still be completed It saddens me that so many people like you have such low ethical standards that you actually condone blatant and obvious cheating. Ask yourself why you're like that. Is it because you are also a cheater in any life's pursuit? Probably. why must you belittle the efforts of these you adventurers, would you prefer them to join street gangs and turn to crime. I say again get a life Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud and a liar! It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than being a starting point. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud and a liar! It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than being a starting point. Wilbur Hubbard Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud and a liar! It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than being a starting point. Wilbur Hubbard Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
KLC Lewis wrote:
[About "Wilbur Hubbard"] You missed my point. No he didn't, he's just a pathetic trolling **** who doesn't have the balls to sail a boat. The problem for trolls is that give away too much about themselves, their prejudices and their fears when they post. And by that it's easy to see what pathetic nobodies they are. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud and a liar! It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process other than being a starting point. Wilbur Hubbard Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. Slocum had no motor. He actually sailed. Unlike the cheater Zac who has motored hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles now, Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. Zac and his gaggle of publicity stunt sychophants are *******izing the the very meaning of a solo circumnavigation. Robin Know-Johnston, for example, would not take a tow when in dire straits in New Zealand. He spent hours beating against wind and current to get into a bay where he could anchor and affect repairs. He would not even allow anybody on board to help him. He knew to do so would invalidate the record he eventually won. The man had a moral compass. Zac and his ilk have no such thing. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Duh, if he hadn't been towed in for repairs the chances are he would have had to abort the voyage? So he's cheating. Part of his voyage, instead of being solo, was a group effort. He was TOWED. That part of the voyage where he was towed cannot be counted. The gap between a waypoint, port and back to the waypoint cannot be discounted. Stupid people trying to justify cheating .. . . Shame on you. Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Steve Firth wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Just curious, but is a "forthwright" someone who fabricates forths? --AG |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise. Wilbur Hubbard Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk. Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era. I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:57:49 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message tanews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. No! No! You don't understand! Wilbur (the Sage of the Sailors) is always right! To paraphrase the poet, "yours not to question why, your's but to do or die". You see, if you don't it will cause Willie's tiny ego to crumble to dust and he will become a non-entity. You wouldn't want that on your conscience.... would you? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:08:30 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message tanews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise. Wilbur Hubbard Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk. Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era. I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish. He's not obtuse....he's stupid! Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:03:34 +0000, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Wilbur is the entity that posted, in loving detail, his method of ripping off Walmart. A confessed criminal. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise. Wilbur Hubbard Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk. Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era. I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish. It's a good thing you threw in the towel because I was about to hit you with the big guns. Using your idiotic premise, instead of placing those waypoints two miles out in the ocean from the port lets place them 2,000 miles out in the ocean. Then let's tow the boat back and forth from port to these 2,000 mile out in the ocean waypoints which amount to a small circle of waypoints approximately 2,000 miles in diameter. You seem to be claiming that if one sails around this 2,000 mile diameter circle while getting towed into and out of port two thousand miles at a time when you feel like getting a steak or watching a movie or when you get tired of sailing as long as you sail the circle you have sailed around the world alone. Duh! Double Duh!! Wilbur Hubbard |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
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Alan Gomes wrote: Steve Firth wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Just curious, but is a "forthwright" someone who fabricates forths? 'Arr Jim Lad, I been a wrighter of forths fur fifty yeers man and boy'.. LOL -- Molesworth |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:06:39 -0600, Nigel Molesworth
wrote: In article , Alan Gomes wrote: Steve Firth wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Just curious, but is a "forthwright" someone who fabricates forths? 'Arr Jim Lad, I been a wrighter of forths fur fifty yeers man and boy'.. LOL The attributions are a bit confusing here. Is it Mr. Firth asking about fabricating forths? --Vic |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Dec 20, 3:13*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:06:39 -0600, Nigel Molesworth wrote: In article , Alan Gomes wrote: Steve Firth wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Just curious, but is a "forthwright" someone who fabricates forths? 'Arr Jim Lad, I been a wrighter of forths fur fifty yeers man and boy'.. LOL The attributions are a bit confusing here. Is it Mr. Firth asking about fabricating forths? --Vic * ahh Vic I think we all need a fifth I plead. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:34:29 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote: On Dec 20, 3:13Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:06:39 -0600, Nigel Molesworth wrote: In article , Alan Gomes wrote: Steve Firth wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Slocum was an ethical person. He believed in being honest and forthwright. So, you and he have nothing in common. Just curious, but is a "forthwright" someone who fabricates forths? 'Arr Jim Lad, I been a wrighter of forths fur fifty yeers man and boy'.. LOL The attributions are a bit confusing here. Is it Mr. Firth asking about fabricating forths? --Vic Â* ahh Vic I think we all need a fifth I plead. Just quaffing a quart will quench my thirth. Okay. Enough of thith from thith Smith. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort. If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason. Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone around the world. Wilbur Hubbard You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own. All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise. Wilbur Hubbard Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk. Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era. I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish. It's a good thing you threw in the towel because I was about to hit you with the big guns. Using your idiotic premise, instead of placing those waypoints two miles out in the ocean from the port lets place them 2,000 miles out in the ocean. Then let's tow the boat back and forth from port to these 2,000 mile out in the ocean waypoints which amount to a small circle of waypoints approximately 2,000 miles in diameter. You seem to be claiming that if one sails around this 2,000 mile diameter circle while getting towed into and out of port two thousand miles at a time when you feel like getting a steak or watching a movie or when you get tired of sailing as long as you sail the circle you have sailed around the world alone. Duh! Double Duh!! Wilbur Hubbard A true circumnavigation of the world must pass through two points antipodean to each other.' Norris McWhirter, founding editor of Guinness, 1971. I don't give a damm if you get towed to point X wherever X is so long as you then circumnavigate by the above definition, crossing your own outward track after X on your return before getting another tow. That's an unassisted circumnavigation if the round track from X to X was unassisted. Its only commercial interests that force a record breaking circumnavigation for example to start and finish in specific ports. Now stuff that in your pipe and smoke it, Wilma. |
Zac is a cheater. I'm cheering for the British lad.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Young Zac has blown his chance to sail alone around the world. This from his blog: http://www.zacsunderland.com/blog/ "The shipping out there was so heavy - there was a constant stream of ships coming in and out and 60 standing off the entrance. So I tacked out to about two miles from the harbor and went hove-to. The guys from the yacht club were having trouble finding me in the maze of lights so I turned on my strobe. When they found me they threw me a line and a cold Coke and towed me in. Now I was so tired coming in that I was falling asleep with the wind in my face. I finally got docked about 4:30 in the morning and went over to Phil's boat for a very light dinner. No honor! Even Donald Crowhurst is probably spinning in his grave. Wilbur Hubbard Is there any possible reason to give a ****? Casady |
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