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The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how
to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Sure and begorrah! Well said, Captain! A breath of fresh air across the mead. -- Shad O'Shay |
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In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety, to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos you'll not be wasting mine. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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"Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Shad O'Shay wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety, to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos you'll not be wasting mine. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. And YOU didn't just waste your time posting what you just did? He hee! Go ahead, use your filters to your little heart's content. But why brag about it? Insecure? Cheers, Gwen Ives |
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"Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Shad O'Shay wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety, to get around the kill-files, eh? Proof? Harry Harris ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:57:10 -0000, Justin C
wrote: In article , Shad O'Shay wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety, to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos you'll not be wasting mine. Justin. A day or two ago I was walking down the jetty from my tour of the marina trying to justify Wilbur's assertion that REAL SAILORS used hanked on headsails (not true) when I passed a 28 - 30 ft. sloop with a 15 H.P. outboard slung on the back and realized that it must be similar to Wilbur's yellow canoe (as someone christened it). Except that I knew the history of this boat. Home built in Italy, sailed through the Med to Greece where it cruised for two years and then on through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean to Thailand. Proving for all the world to see that the only thing preventing Wilbur from becoming a world cruiser is a total lack of testicular fortitude. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth. |
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On Dec 9, 6:12*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur. At least you are man enough to admit it. Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason. I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why would a person in command be required to know them? Is it because the best sailors never use them? What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them, not all tax payes are sailors. Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report? Neal defines "failure" . Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant. It's true, he would never run aground. Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses them. Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring" Can you see a pattern here JL? I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's more manly to pretend. He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing what can happen to people that do Sail. When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can be a fisherman in May. Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur. "Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.” Good Luck Joe |
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"Harry Harris" wrote in news:8586
: "Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Shad O'Shay wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety, to get around the kill-files, eh? Proof? Harry Harris And yet another one of Wilbur/Neal's sock puppets. One just has to know enough about the Internet to trace the offender. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 6:12 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur. At least you are man enough to admit it. Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason. I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why would a person in command be required to know them? Is it because the best sailors never use them? What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them, not all tax payes are sailors. Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report? Neal defines "failure" . Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant. It's true, he would never run aground. Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses them. Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring" Can you see a pattern here JL? I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's more manly to pretend. He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing what can happen to people that do Sail. When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can be a fisherman in May. Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur. "Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.” Good Luck Joe My comment was in reply to ONLY the following: "Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" IMHO, most sail-boaters today are not sailors. Most haven't been out of sight of land, which is a good thing. As to my "confession" to taking 9/10 ten year old childrens' classes, I will continue to do so 'till I know I will not be a danger to myself or others. Why not? It's a pretty good way to see if I really want, and can, return to the sea. After all it's been 38 years since I've been out of sight of land on a small boat. I cannot even navigate with a sextant anymore, but a few weeks of classes and maybe I'll be enthused enough to put in the effort to re-learn. As to finding a boat: I would be happy for any leads for a crusier, 35-40 feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. I will be down after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. There are hundreds of boats available. Have you seen the line up in San Leon? What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? Auctions? brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? Hanging out in pubs?+++ |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. I will be down after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. There are hundreds of boats available. Have you seen the line up in San Leon? What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? Auctions? brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? Hanging out in pubs?+++ My experience says that your first stop should be the internet, especially if you have some sort of idea of what you want, as I did. Then you can narrow the list down to boats that seem reasonable prospects and start sending a few e-mail asking pertinent questions. Check out who is selling-is it the owner? if so, expect some exaggeration of the boats qualities. If it is a broker, check if they have the boat at their location for sale as this means that at least they will have seen it. Some brokers list boats they have never seen and this is a waste of your time. Get the broker who has the boat in his location as he should be able to answer questions. You can weed out a lot of unsuitable boats and save yourself much trouble without leaving home, always provided you know enough about boats to read between the lines of some of the hype. |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
: Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Because he can. That's what trolls do. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Dec 11, 8:17*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 6:12 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message tanews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self.. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur. *At least you are man enough to admit it. Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason. I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why would a person in command be required to know them? Is it because the best sailors never use them? What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them, not all tax payes are sailors. Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report? Neal defines "failure" . Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant. It's true, he would never run aground. Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses them. Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring" Can you see a pattern here JL? I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's more manly to pretend. He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing what can happen to people that do Sail. When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can be a fisherman in May. Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur. "Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.” Good Luck Joe My comment was in reply to ONLY the following: "Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" IMHO, most *sail-boaters today are not sailors. *Most haven't been out of sight of land, which is a good thing. Is it a good thing? As to my "confession" to taking 9/10 ten year old childrens' classes, I will continue to do so 'till I know I will not be a danger to myself or others.. Why not? * It's a good ideal, i'm going to re-new my ticket soon. I just thought you were past the basics, two steps ahead of Wilbur. It's a pretty good way to see if I really want, and can, return to the sea. *After all it's been 38 years since I've been out of sight of land on a small boat. Last Oct, you could have hitched a ride on the Harvest moon regetta, A nice ofshore trip to Port A. This time of year things slack off offshore. *I cannot even navigate with a sextant anymore, but a few weeks of classes and maybe I'll be enthused enough to put in the effort to re-learn. GPS X 2 or 3 works good enough to get offshore. As to finding a boat: *I would be happy for any leads for a crusier, 35-40 feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. * I will be down after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. *There are hundreds of boats available. *Have you seen the line up in San Leon? What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? *Auctions? brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? *Hanging out in pubs?+++- Hide quoted text - Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor. I know where a Gulf Coast 40 is that could be had for 15-20 Most the good auctioned boats have been had, the rest will require refitting. Baytown marina floating docks went over the pylons and many boats are still in the woods next to the marina. Many will be insurance write off and only need serious cosmetic work. If you see a boat you like.. tell the marina or tape a note to the boat. You know about San Leon. There is a free 28ft something at Clear lake marine center, needs work. Ask anyone at mockenbird marina. I thought you were in the 30 ft mkt, they are a dime a dozen here..2k average and many abandoned along NASA rd. Just look south and you will see them. Tracking the owner and loading is the hard part. If you had a patch of land to re-do a holed hull you could do very well. Walk the docks at the marinas and ask someone that looks like he lives there. They usually know whats for sale. Then hit the brokers last. All the auction boats need work before heading offshore. Joe - Show quoted text - |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... All the auction boats need work before heading offshore. Good advice. Most any boat needs work prior to heading offshore. How come you didn't follow your own advice with Red Cloud. The rudder obviously needed work as it wasn't up to the task. Why did you miss such an important thing? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:494152da$0
: "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own horn. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:59:21 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message . .. "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Because he can. That's what trolls do. And, who else would agree with him? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 8:17 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor. Joe Thanks. Is there any problem getting legal title to repos or deserted boats? I will be down in Jan...maybe I can buy you a drink? |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 8:17 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor. Joe Thanks. Is there any problem getting legal title to repos or deserted boats? I will be down in Jan...maybe I can buy you a drink? Please don't. The poor fellow has enough trouble functioning when he's sober. If he's as inept at drinking as he is at sailing, one drink will put him under the table. . . Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:494152da$0 : "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own horn. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com: "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:494152da$0 : "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own horn. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're hiding your tracks. You're not. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:10:35 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in tanews.com: "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:494152da$0 : "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own horn. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're hiding your tracks. You're not. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Wilbur/Neal/Ellen/Gregory, etc is not Momsen Two different puppeteers |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:49:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:39:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:10:35 -0600, Geoff Schultz wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in . octanews.com: "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:494152da$0 : "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own horn. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're hiding your tracks. You're not. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Wilbur/Neal/Ellen/Gregory, etc is not Momsen Two different puppeteers That's a distinction without a difference. Why bother with 'em. Just consign then to the toilet and you're well rid of them. I haven't read an original post by any of them in a year, or more and, guess what? I haven't missed them at all, at all. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're hiding your tracks. You're not. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Wilbur/Neal/Ellen/Gregory, etc is not Momsen Two different puppeteers That's a distinction without a difference. Why bother with 'em. Just consign then to the toilet and you're well rid of them. I haven't read an original post by any of them in a year, or more and, guess what? I haven't missed them at all, at all. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) But they sure show up in the replies... |
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