Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden
fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on
before he died.

If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I
believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would
be hard to move from central NC.

On 2008-11-23 18:05:17 -0500, " said:

Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden
fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on
before he died.

Our surveyor (also a woodwright) offered us a beautiful classic wood
sloop he and his son had been working on in his back yard -- free for
the taking. After a few minutes' examination, I suggested that it might
not be worth the cost.

He smiled.

Without seeing it of course, that sounds like a boat that might require
a bit of flame to put right.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we
bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was
going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. We
found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. The
estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we
could afford it. Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and
realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. That broke the
psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much
boat for the same 15 thousand. She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat,
counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in
today's market.

--
Roger Long

On Nov 24, 3:42�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we
bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was
going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. �We
found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. �The
estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we
could afford it. �Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and
realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. �That broke the
psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much
boat for the same 15 thousand. �She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat,
counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in
today's market.

--
Roger Long

I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned
down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but
I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so
I'm very clueless to values.

I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could
have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few
hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going
as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better
with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing.

the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to
nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless
its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for
me.

I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure
everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years
befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the
coast so i'm sure all the work was professional.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Nov 24, 3:42?am, "Roger Long" wrote:
We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we
bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was
going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. ?We
found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. ?The
estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we
could afford it. ?Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and
realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. ?That broke the
psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much
boat for the same 15 thousand. ?She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat,
counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in
today's market.

--
Roger Long

I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned
down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but
I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so
I'm very clueless to values.

I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could
have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few
hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going
as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better
with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing.

the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to
nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless
its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for
me.

I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure
everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years
befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the
coast so i'm sure all the work was professional.


My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not
appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition
the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't buy a second hand boat, rather one
should not do it with the intentions of making money on the deal.

If you want a boat then go for it but it IS going to cost you money.
Or, at least it always has in my own case.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), "

My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not
appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition
the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly.


I don't even know about inflation. We sold our 32' boat years ago for
$40k. The same boat in the same condition today is worth maybe $30k.
Meanwhile houses have ballooned in price.

I have a buddy whose a boat flipper, but he has serious skills. He buys
boats for nothing (usually recently sunk) and fixes them up nicely. Then
he makes a profit or to put it another way, he sells his labor in the
fix up.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:20 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Nov 24, 3:42?am, "Roger Long" wrote:
We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the
one we
bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I
was
going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. ?We
found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero.
?The
estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided
that we
could afford it. ?Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and
realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. ?That
broke the
psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as
much
boat for the same 15 thousand. ?She's now about a 75 thousand dollar
boat,
counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in
today's market.

--
Roger Long

I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned
down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but
I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so
I'm very clueless to values.

I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could
have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few
hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going
as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better
with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing.

the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to
nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless
its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for
me.

I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure
everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years
befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the
coast so i'm sure all the work was professional.


My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not
appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition
the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't buy a second hand boat, rather one
should not do it with the intentions of making money on the deal.

If you want a boat then go for it but it IS going to cost you money.
Or, at least it always has in my own case.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I pull equity out of my boat everytime I am aboard. I've gotten a lot
more value out than I put in.


Thanks for the dose of sanity. You, sir, are obviously a sailor whereas the
others in this thread who look at a boat as a financial burden are obviously
lubbers.

My boat has saved me well over 200,000 dollars to date. It doesn't cost, it
pays. And, that figure doesn't even include a dollar value placed upon
things such as living in a healthy environment, freedom of choice, freedom
to travel unencumbered and freedom from the rabble that lives ashore in
warrens of filth and squalor polluting the hell out of the Earth with their
runaway consumption and garbage production.

Wilbur Hubbard

Goodness. Who would have thought I would ever agree with these two
characters at the same time?

--
Roger Long

wrote in message
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Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden
fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on
before he died.

If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I
believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would
be hard to move from central NC.

Where in NC? I'm in Charlotte.

Alan


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Alan White wrote:
wrote in message
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Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden
fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on
before he died.

If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I
believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would
be hard to move from central NC.

Where in NC? I'm in Charlotte.


I'd bet Oriental. That place seemed like some sort of graveyard for old
boats.