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Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden
fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on before he died. If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would be hard to move from central NC. |
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On 2008-11-23 18:05:17 -0500, " said:
Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on before he died. Our surveyor (also a woodwright) offered us a beautiful classic wood sloop he and his son had been working on in his back yard -- free for the taking. After a few minutes' examination, I suggested that it might not be worth the cost. He smiled. Without seeing it of course, that sounds like a boat that might require a bit of flame to put right. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we
bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. We found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. The estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we could afford it. Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. That broke the psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much boat for the same 15 thousand. She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat, counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in today's market. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 24, 3:42�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. �We found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. �The estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we could afford it. �Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. �That broke the psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much boat for the same 15 thousand. �She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat, counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in today's market. -- Roger Long I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so I'm very clueless to values. I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing. the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for me. I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the coast so i'm sure all the work was professional. |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Nov 24, 3:42?am, "Roger Long" wrote: We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. ?We found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. ?The estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we could afford it. ?Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. ?That broke the psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much boat for the same 15 thousand. ?She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat, counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in today's market. -- Roger Long I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so I'm very clueless to values. I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing. the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for me. I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the coast so i'm sure all the work was professional. My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly. I'm not saying that one shouldn't buy a second hand boat, rather one should not do it with the intentions of making money on the deal. If you want a boat then go for it but it IS going to cost you money. Or, at least it always has in my own case. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), " My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly. I don't even know about inflation. We sold our 32' boat years ago for $40k. The same boat in the same condition today is worth maybe $30k. Meanwhile houses have ballooned in price. I have a buddy whose a boat flipper, but he has serious skills. He buys boats for nothing (usually recently sunk) and fixes them up nicely. Then he makes a profit or to put it another way, he sells his labor in the fix up. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:20 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Nov 24, 3:42?am, "Roger Long" wrote: We started out looking casually at much less expensive boats than the one we bought because we weren't very serious and I didn't realize how much I was going to like sailing and cruising after not doing it for 15 years. ?We found a 28 footer for $1,200 and negotiated the price down to zero. ?The estimate to have her fixed up minimally was 15 grand and we decided that we could afford it. ?Then, I started looking at used boat boat prices and realized that she would be worth about 6 after we were done. ?That broke the psychological price barrier though and we went out and bought twice as much boat for the same 15 thousand. ?She's now about a 75 thousand dollar boat, counting the value of my labor, and I probably could get 20 for her in today's market. -- Roger Long I'm not sure how the value thing works with older boats, duh I turned down an older ski boat for $400 and found it was worth atlest $4k but I have had my heart set on the sail boat since I saw it 4 yrs ago so I'm very clueless to values. I know when it comes to some of the older VW's that in 63 you could have bought a vw van for about $1500 new and down to free to a few hundread when they were just a few yrs old to now where some are going as high as $60k or more. I'm a firm believer that things get better with age. or atleast older things are worth fixing. the engine I traded was worth about $750 and cost me little to nothing, so I figure so far I've gotten a great deal but regardless its not the end value but the dream that will make this worth it for me. I'm not sure how much work the other boat will need but I'm sure everything is there for it and he has been working on it a few years befor he passed away. He and his brother reconditioned boats at the coast so i'm sure all the work was professional. My experience is that, other then inflation, used boats do not appreciate. Quite the contrary, they go down in value and in addition the number of things that go wrong multiply... rapidly. I'm not saying that one shouldn't buy a second hand boat, rather one should not do it with the intentions of making money on the deal. If you want a boat then go for it but it IS going to cost you money. Or, at least it always has in my own case. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I pull equity out of my boat everytime I am aboard. I've gotten a lot more value out than I put in. Thanks for the dose of sanity. You, sir, are obviously a sailor whereas the others in this thread who look at a boat as a financial burden are obviously lubbers. My boat has saved me well over 200,000 dollars to date. It doesn't cost, it pays. And, that figure doesn't even include a dollar value placed upon things such as living in a healthy environment, freedom of choice, freedom to travel unencumbered and freedom from the rabble that lives ashore in warrens of filth and squalor polluting the hell out of the Earth with their runaway consumption and garbage production. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Goodness. Who would have thought I would ever agree with these two
characters at the same time? -- Roger Long |
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wrote in message ... Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on before he died. If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would be hard to move from central NC. Where in NC? I'm in Charlotte. Alan ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Alan White wrote:
wrote in message ... Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on before he died. If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would be hard to move from central NC. Where in NC? I'm in Charlotte. I'd bet Oriental. That place seemed like some sort of graveyard for old boats. |
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On 2008-11-24 12:54:26 -0500, slide said:
Alan White wrote: wrote in message ... Not the chrysler 22 I got but this is an older 30' ? (or bigger)wooden fixed keel that one of my customers has or her husband was working on before he died. If someone here was interested I could get pictures soon and I believe it can be gotten cheap do to the fact it looks like it would be hard to move from central NC. Where in NC? I'm in Charlotte. I'd bet Oriental. That place seemed like some sort of graveyard for old boats. I don't believe Oriental is considered *central* NC. Still, it's a lovely area, with a large community of ex-cruisers (and a few who are between trips). It seems a quieter version of the Chesapeake, with less salt. We were at their dock for a day trying to do some minor work. Almost had to anchor out to get the work done with the number of sailors coming by to chew the fat. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Just a casual warning to all the folks on this forum: I'd think long
and hard before doing business with the original poster. His name is Mario Gavazzi and he operates what I am laughingly going to call a "business" in Burlington, North Carolina. He has defrauded multiple people in the air-cooled Volkswagen world and has been banned from several web sites for fraud. You can meet him here - this is a clip from a television news investigation that was done on him. There's actual footage of Mario the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y Some supporting documentation: http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/arc...t-96792--.html Well, you folks are adults and can reach your own conclusions, but I wanted to give you fair warning. Mario and his wife Sherry have cheated a large number of very nice people, and I'd hate to see you all added to the list. Thanks. |
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He has left quite an Internet trail hasn't he? It makes you wonder if the
business about sailing the incredible shrinking boat off into the sunset with no ocean experience whatever is just a shill to built up credibilty to foist the other one off on someone. -- Roger Long |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
wrote: When you eat a nice meal at a great restaurant with people whose company you enjoy, do you then do a cost benefit analysis of the nutritional value of the food versus what you paid for it? Believe me when I tell you in no uncertain terms, my boat has paid for itself many times over. How much is it worth in dollars? You couldn't afford it. Here's another little lesson that you obviously need badly - data is not knowledge Dismissed! And price is not value... Speaking of which!!!!! The economic situation seems to have hit the MacGreggor owners hardest. As of today there are NINE 26X boats for sale on Sailing Texas. That's an all time record - so far... -- Richard |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:29:28 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote: Speaking of which!!!!! The economic situation seems to have hit the MacGreggor owners hardest. As of today there are NINE 26X boats for sale on Sailing Texas. That's an all time record - so far... Assuming they're selling, the 26X/M boats hold value pretty well, when original boat price is considered. By that I mean boat only price. I figure the outboards are hard used and not worth much anyway. Sort of complicated figuring boat "upgrades" which might not hold any value to a new owner. Those high prices might be an argument to just buy new. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:29:28 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote: Speaking of which!!!!! The economic situation seems to have hit the MacGreggor owners hardest. As of today there are NINE 26X boats for sale on Sailing Texas. That's an all time record - so far... Assuming they're selling, the 26X/M boats hold value pretty well, when original boat price is considered. By that I mean boat only price. I figure the outboards are hard used and not worth much anyway. Sort of complicated figuring boat "upgrades" which might not hold any value to a new owner. Those high prices might be an argument to just buy new. --Vic With that many on the market at onec, those high prices might come tumblin' down... -- Richard |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:47:25 -0000, Justin C
wrote: In article , wrote: Here's another little lesson that you obviously need badly - data is not knowledge Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not sailing. Sailing is THE BEST (to completely misquote Frank Zappa - a world renowned sailor if ever there was one). Justin. A Zappa fan! |
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On Nov 25, 1:53�pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
He has left quite an Internet trail hasn't he? �It makes you wonder if the business about sailing the incredible shrinking boat off into the sunset with no ocean experience whatever is just a shill to built up credibilty to foist the other one off on someone. -- Roger Long The person I traded the boat for told me it was a 28 footer, but after looking online and seeing pictures of others I determaned it was a 22 footer. You are right I have no ocean experience with a sailboat this size and is the reason I'm here getting info. As far as the VW freaks I have been in business a long time and you can't make everyone happy, These are people with sad lives that like you don't car what the truth is, but want to bitch over nothing. most are friends with a suplier that I refused to use after living with him a month to restore a car and finding out it was just to punish his father who also restored VW's for cheating on his dead mother. can you say real wack job. I apoligize for bringing the freaks with me but isn't that's whats great about the net. As far as my Sail boat don't we all have to start someplace. and as far as the other sail boat I really am just tring to help this woman out. her husband passed away at 57 and she will never beable to do anything with it and could use the money. sorry if that makes me a bad guy. |
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Well, I'm not going to pass judgment on whether you are a bad guy with the
information available. Even that copy of the legal judgment against you that one of your former customers posted isn't 100% conclusive because justice isn't always done. Sometimes hoofprints in the park actually are from zebras that escaped from the zoo. However... A 22 foot boat is actually about half the size of a 28 foot boat since the true measure of most critical things in a boat is volume. So, you got half the "price" for that engine you thought you did. I wonder it that lack of care and diligence has something to do with the remarkable vehemence and number of the "freaks", as you call them, that follow in your wake. Not my concern or that of those here (unless they pursue buying that other boat) but I would suggest that similar lack of diligence will get you killed at sea. -- Roger Long |
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Jere Lull wrote:
I'd bet Oriental. That place seemed like some sort of graveyard for old boats. I don't believe Oriental is considered *central* NC. Still, it's a lovely area, with a large community of ex-cruisers (and a few who are between trips). It seems a quieter version of the Chesapeake, with less salt. We were at their dock for a day trying to do some minor work. Almost had to anchor out to get the work done with the number of sailors coming by to chew the fat. I had a few tornado scares a few years ago sailing through there. Well, the OP seems to be a rather sleazy fellow who is getting all weird and coy now about the boat, it's location and even the size. I say we got here some guy who would be excellent power for a sailboat - a huge gust of hot air. |
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