On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:40:18 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


because it looks like I started this you can see why I'm hereasking
questions

don't get me wrong I have problems just trusting anyone to spend a few
minutes checking something that I will spend days and weeks on tomake
right.

I think with the advise from those here I will get the knowledge I
need to make it sea worthy enough to enjoy the way I want.

I am thankful already for the info I have already gotten.

Mario

While it may be true that an interested and experienced buyer may do a
more thorough inspection than a surveyor, if the potential buyer has
"fallen in love" with the vessel, he will, perhaps unconsciously,
overlook faults that an impartial surveyor will notice and report.

The surveyor should be impartial - he should not stand to gain from
either encouraging or discouraging the sale. Some people claim that
you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker,
just in case he may be biased towards encouraging the sale.



--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:06 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:

Some people claim that
you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker,
just in case he may be biased towards encouraging the sale.

And that is absolutely correct. I go out of my way to find a
surveyor recommended by two or more people who have no interest in the
sale, and preferably do not even know the selling broker.

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:57:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:06 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:

Some people claim that
you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker,
just in case he may be biased towards encouraging the sale.

And that is absolutely correct. I go out of my way to find a
surveyor recommended by two or more people who have no interest in the
sale, and preferably do not even know the selling broker.

That could be tricky, right?
Closed community and all.
Not that I'm paranoid, but I've seen "relationships" that
one might think don't exist among realtors/brokers/inspectors/sellers
That's in a wider community than boat sales.
In the end it seems a personal character check and trust is what is
left. In fact, that's how I find out about relationships!
Recommendations are good though.

--Vic

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:07:28 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:57:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:06 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:

Some people claim that
you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker,
just in case he may be biased towards encouraging the sale.

And that is absolutely correct. I go out of my way to find a
surveyor recommended by two or more people who have no interest in the
sale, and preferably do not even know the selling broker.

That could be tricky, right?
Closed community and all.
Not that I'm paranoid, but I've seen "relationships" that
one might think don't exist among realtors/brokers/inspectors/sellers
That's in a wider community than boat sales.
In the end it seems a personal character check and trust is what is
left. In fact, that's how I find out about relationships!
Recommendations are good though.


On my last major boat purchase I used surveyors from 100 miles away
who had been recommended to me by a reliable source. It was worth it
to me paying their travel expenses knowing that there was little
chance of hidden relationships. I received invaluable advice from
them and saved $50K from the originally negotiated price.

"Wayne.B" wrote

On my last major boat purchase I used surveyors from 100 miles away
who had been recommended to me by a reliable source. It was worth it
to me paying their travel expenses knowing that there was little
chance of hidden relationships. I received invaluable advice from
them and saved $50K from the originally negotiated price.


Ah, we agree again. I should have read the whole thread first.

--
Roger Long

On 2008-11-23 20:57:51 -0500, Wayne.B said:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:06 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:

Some people claim that you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by
the selling broker, just in case he may be biased towards encouraging
the sale.

And that is absolutely correct. I go out of my way to find a surveyor
recommended by two or more people who have no interest in the sale, and
preferably do not even know the selling broker.

We asked around the dock and found a surveyor that gently suggested a
couple of times that the boat he was surveying might not serve the
needs of the buyers. The ignored him, but got better deals because of
what he found wrong.

Oh, and they later agreed with his assessment.

I'm told that's unusual behavior in surveyors. Some opine that doing
that is unethical, but *I* paid for his services, so he's working for
me.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

You'll note that doctors seldom treat their own family members.

--
Roger Long

"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
news.com...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:40:18 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


because it looks like I started this you can see why I'm hereasking
questions

don't get me wrong I have problems just trusting anyone to spend a few
minutes checking something that I will spend days and weeks on tomake
right.

I think with the advise from those here I will get the knowledge I
need to make it sea worthy enough to enjoy the way I want.

I am thankful already for the info I have already gotten.

Mario

While it may be true that an interested and experienced buyer may do a
more thorough inspection than a surveyor, if the potential buyer has
"fallen in love" with the vessel, he will, perhaps unconsciously,
overlook faults that an impartial surveyor will notice and report.

The surveyor should be impartial - he should not stand to gain from
either encouraging or discouraging the sale. Some people claim that
you _should not_ use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker,
just in case he may be biased towards encouraging the sale.



--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca


I would never use a surveyor hired by the seller unless I knew the surveyor.
This has happened once or twice without a problem.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote

I would never use a surveyor hired by the seller unless I knew the
surveyor. This has happened once or twice without a problem.


If it's a big buck sale with a lot riding on it, the cost of bringing a
surveyor in from out of the area can be well worth it unless you are local
and have a good handle on their reputation. Often, the locals develop close
relationships with the yards and know, for example, that the yard owner
really wants that boat out of there. They also learn, at least
unconsiously, that they get more referrals when boats move than when they
sit.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote

I would never use a surveyor hired by the seller unless I knew the
surveyor. This has happened once or twice without a problem.


If it's a big buck sale with a lot riding on it, the cost of bringing a
surveyor in from out of the area can be well worth it unless you are local
and have a good handle on their reputation. Often, the locals develop
close relationships with the yards and know, for example, that the yard
owner really wants that boat out of there. They also learn, at least
unconsiously, that they get more referrals when boats move than when they
sit.

--
Roger Long
=============================

When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As I've posted, I'm
looking at
a couple of sailboats, and since I am on a budget, I'd hate to spend $400
dollars
and have the surveyor tell me the boat is junk. As I read these postings, I
got to
wondering if the buyer should ask the seller to share the cost of the
survey. This
way, if the seller knows there is a hidden defect, he/she will not only lose
the sale,
but also lose some money. Wouldn't this be a way for the buyer to test the
seller, especially if the seller is telling the buyer that the boat is in
excellent
condition.