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"Alan White" wrote in message ... http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html Even Skippy isn't THAT pathetic! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Alan White" wrote in message
... http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html Alan ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- Bummer... nice boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-11-19 15:29:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: "Alan White" wrote in message ... http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html Even Skippy isn't THAT pathetic! Wilbur Hubbard Faint praise. Still, so true. From the report: This is the second time since leaving a New England port, bound for Charleston, that Oger and the Gypsy Dane have required emergency assistance. According to published reports, on Saturday, Nov. 8, the USS Gonzalez, a Navy missile destroyer based in Norfolk, Va., responded to a distress call from the boat, adrift in 10-foot seas off the coast of Virginia. So many catty remarks come to mind, but the reporter did it for me. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Alan White wrote:
http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html He went down stairs to make a sandwich and ended up on the beach. Prior to then, he tangled his rudder with a line and drifted for days until the CG figured it out for him & cleared it. A guy who can buy a nice boat like that must have some real money. I wonder at his arrogance that he won't hire a pro captain to instruct him & assist in the journey. Pride goeth.... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Bummer... nice boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Indeed. ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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"slide" wrote in message ... Alan White wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html He went down stairs to make a sandwich and ended up on the beach. Prior to then, he tangled his rudder with a line and drifted for days until the CG figured it out for him & cleared it. A guy who can buy a nice boat like that must have some real money. I wonder at his arrogance that he won't hire a pro captain to instruct him & assist in the journey. Pride goeth.... We pro captains don't suffer fools well . . . Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 19, 12:18*pm, "Alan White"
wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...50-footSailboa... Alan -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- happy to see that there is land, betixt he and me. |
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On Nov 19, 2:18*pm, Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... On Nov 19, 12:18*pm, "Alan White" wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...50-footSailboa.... Alan -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com-*Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- happy to see that there is land, betixt he and me. Well? Did he get off the beach? dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:21 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "slide" wrote in message ... Alan White wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html He went down stairs to make a sandwich and ended up on the beach. Prior to then, he tangled his rudder with a line and drifted for days until the CG figured it out for him & cleared it. A guy who can buy a nice boat like that must have some real money. I wonder at his arrogance that he won't hire a pro captain to instruct him & assist in the journey. Pride goeth.... We pro captains don't suffer fools well . . . Wilbur Hubbard How do you live with yourself? |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:21 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "slide" wrote in message ... Alan White wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html He went down stairs to make a sandwich and ended up on the beach. Prior to then, he tangled his rudder with a line and drifted for days until the CG figured it out for him & cleared it. A guy who can buy a nice boat like that must have some real money. I wonder at his arrogance that he won't hire a pro captain to instruct him & assist in the journey. Pride goeth.... We pro captains don't suffer fools well . . . They seem quite partial to goofballs doing deliveries with them.. ;-) http://www.maxwalkeryachtdelivery.com/damian.htm http://www.wareing77.plus.com/Salamander/IMGP0041.JPG http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Celine_video.htm |
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On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote:
Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780- : dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid. If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat? Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all that wave action. I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self. |
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On 2008-11-19 23:25:56 -0500, Two meter troll said:
On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote: Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-978 0- : dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid. If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself of f to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat? Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all that wave action. I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self. I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy. Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint (or barnacles) on his props. Don't know what the conditions were that put him on the shore, but the conditions they last mentioned were strong from the NW, so blowing water away. High tide debris on shore looks like storm conditions were higher, but don't know what normal is there. Also don't think that keel's going to come loose without some mechanical help, but I don't know the sand on that shore. Am used to the hard-pack on the Jersey shore that ain't going nowhere once it's flowed around a keel. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Nov 19, 3:18*pm, "Alan White"
wrote: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...50-footSailboa... This boat was anchored in Boston harbor (off Jefferies YC) through September. I tacked up fairly close a couple times, but never saw anyone on it. |
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On Nov 19, 9:14*pm, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-19 23:25:56 -0500, Two meter troll said: On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote: Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-978 0- : dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid. If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself of f to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat? Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all that wave action. I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self. I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy. Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint (or barnacles) on his props. Don't know what the conditions were that put him on the shore, but the conditions they last mentioned were strong from the NW, so blowing water away. High tide debris on shore looks like storm conditions were higher, but don't know what normal is there. Also don't think that keel's going to come loose without some mechanical help, but I don't know the sand on that shore. Am used to the hard-pack on the Jersey shore that ain't going nowhere once it's flowed around a keel. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages:http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips:http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - my dad has a picture of his boat the Quest with a pool round it from his prop digging a path to the lifts in portorford. it can be done for a shallow boat but i am not sure how well it would do for this deep of hull. a couple of ideas i had where a fish pump or a water pump to blast a semiliquid channel out of the sand but this all would depend on how hard it is packed. it is a tricky situation that will take some daring and if the skipper is up to the task it can be done. I however see no way to not damage the boat in one way or the other. |
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Dennis Pogson wrote:
I did query whether the halyard was up to the job, but the energy required to heel the boat and pull her off, when you think about, was not all that great. The proper way to do this yourself BTW, is to run the end of a rope anchor rode through a block and attach the block to the spinnaker halyard. Hoist the block to the mast head and then run the anchor out in the dinghy and set it. This gives you the full length of the anchor rode to haul on. If you attach the rode directly to the spinnarker halyard, the knot will stop the line after a mast length of pulling which may not be sufficient and you will lose time letting it down and retying. A jib sheet fairlead is a handy block when time is short. I successfully got a boat off on a falling tide this way by jumping to it instantly when I felt her touch. I was doing a pass by a dock to check out the docking situation and hit a shoal spot beyond it so this frantic activity was taking place just a few feet from all the waterfront hangers on which provided great entertainment. A jib sheet winch with this leverage will drag a boat out of most situations. I don't think the keel embedded in sand up to the hull is one of them though. I think that fellow down in Hattaras needs a crane. He may get his boat off but I doubt he will have running engines or that they will run for long after they start due due to sand in raw water pumps and shaft bearings. He doesn't sound like a sailor with the competence to sail out of that situation once he gets the boat free. -- Roger Long |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:56 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote: On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote: Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780- : dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid. If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat? Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all that wave action. I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self. Tug? Danger? You realize the towing wire on a tug is half a mile long. Casady |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:2008112000140375249-
jerelull@maccom: I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy. Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint (or barnacles) on his props. We have one towboat captain that comes to our little kiddie beach in the Stono River with the towboat. He digs us a channel to run the family runabouts through to the backside of the island to keep our boats out of the wakes from the other boats. Doesn't seem to bother the massive screws on the towboat that take the brunt of several thousand horsepower pulling massive barges all day or he wouldn't be doing it. Several thousand HP make a great little makeshift dredge...(c; |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:KdbVk.94625
: Larry is on the right track. We ground boats, intentionally, on the pluff mud, around Charleston all the time. Some people do it to keep from paying a diver just to clean her bottom. Some repaint the antifouling like this cheap! NO CHARGE for lift, storage, yard use, save big $$$$$$! Check the rudder, fittings and driving gear between when the paint job's done and the tide floods you out. Rebait the crab traps beyond the low tide line for dinner....(c; You're already all mud from walking in it all day.... P U!! YOU STINK! (Some say it smells like money saved!) |
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"Roger Long" wrote in news:gg3hkt$p9c$1
@news.motzarella.org: He doesn't sound like a sailor with the competence to sail out of that situation once he gets the boat free. Sail? You mean he can put up those big bedsheets in the wind and THAT will blow it along?!! How cool is that?! He sounds like one of those sailors that has a keel bottom trawler with tall lightning rods....with 12,000 hours on the Perky in the bilge. |
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Problem with this sailboat is that, once through the initial breakers, he's
going to find a really long sand bar that parallels the beach about 75 yards out. The other thing is, if you've ever seen Hatteras during a storm you would come to the conclusion that launching is not an option during a storm. I used to windsurf out there with my buddies during some of the milder Noreasters and I can honestly say those breakers on the outer bars will pitch upwards of 15 feet. If they're 'barrelling' they'll suck the sand bar shallow. Alan "Larry" wrote in message ... "Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:KdbVk.94625 : Larry is on the right track. We ground boats, intentionally, on the pluff mud, around Charleston all the time. Some people do it to keep from paying a diver just to clean her bottom. Some repaint the antifouling like this cheap! NO CHARGE for lift, storage, yard use, save big $$$$$$! Check the rudder, fittings and driving gear between when the paint job's done and the tide floods you out. Rebait the crab traps beyond the low tide line for dinner....(c; You're already all mud from walking in it all day.... P U!! YOU STINK! (Some say it smells like money saved!) ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On 2008-11-20 10:50:35 -0500, Larry said:
Jere Lull wrote in news:2008112000140375249- jerelull@maccom: I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy. Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint (or barnacles) on his props. We have one towboat captain that comes to our little kiddie beach in the Stono River with the towboat. He digs us a channel to run the family runabouts through to the backside of the island to keep our boats out of the wakes from the other boats. Doesn't seem to bother the massive screws on the towboat that take the brunt of several thousand horsepower pulling massive barges all day or he wouldn't be doing it. Several thousand HP make a great little makeshift dredge...(c; Oh, that's an order of magnitude difference! The particular boat was an old Chesapeake Bay working boat re-rigged for towing small boats. Might have had a couple of hundred HP on tap, probably closer to 100. But draft was about 2.5 feet and that big 4-blade prop let him pull stumps. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , of 15 feet. If they're 'barrelling' they'll suck the sand bar shallow. I wonder what his insurance status is? Would not surprise me at all if the boat became a total loss. It might take a few days, but with constant pressure on the winch, along with the wave motion, and perhaps a little digging in front of the keel, like a loose tooth it might wiggle free. The key would be to keep constant and hard pressure on the line that's being used to pull. And, of course, the balls hanging from the halyard wouldn't hurt. Alan ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Nov 20, 4:23*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:56 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll wrote: On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote: Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780- : dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm. I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid. If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat? Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all that wave action. I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self. Tug? Danger? You realize the towing wire on a tug is half a mile long. Casady- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - depends on the tug. |
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On Nov 20, 3:28*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Dennis Pogson wrote: I did query whether the halyard was up to the job, but the energy required to heel the boat and pull her off, when you think about, was not all that great. The proper way to do this yourself BTW, is to run the end of a rope anchor rode through a block and attach the block to the spinnaker halyard. *Hoist the block to the mast head and then run the anchor out in the dinghy and set it. *This gives you the full length of the anchor rode to haul on. *If you attach the rode directly to the spinnarker halyard, the knot will stop the line after a mast length of pulling which may not be sufficient and you will lose time letting it down and retying. *A jib sheet fairlead is a handy block when time is short. I successfully got a boat off on a falling tide this way by jumping to it instantly when I felt her touch. *I was doing a pass by a dock to check out the docking situation and hit a shoal spot beyond it so this frantic activity was taking place just a few feet from all the waterfront hangers on which provided great entertainment. A jib sheet winch with this leverage will drag a boat out of most situations. *I don't think the keel embedded in sand up to the hull is one of them though. *I think that fellow down in Hattaras needs a crane. *He may get his boat off but I doubt he will have running engines or that they will run for long after they start due due to sand in raw water pumps and shaft bearings. *He doesn't sound like a sailor with the competence to sail out of that situation once he gets the boat free. -- Roger Long the picture looks to me like she is in the sand to deep to lay her over. the last pic didnt have lines one it and she was dead level. |
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On Nov 20, 8:14*am, "Alan White"
wrote: Problem with this sailboat is that, once through the initial breakers, he's going to find a really long sand bar that parallels the beach about 75 yards out. The other thing is, if you've ever seen Hatteras during a storm you would come to the conclusion that launching is not an option during a storm. I used to windsurf out there with my buddies during some of the milder Noreasters and I can honestly say those breakers on the outer bars will pitch upwards of 15 feet. If they're 'barrelling' they'll suck the sand bar shallow. Alan "Larry" wrote in message ... "Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:KdbVk.94625 : Larry is on the right track. We ground boats, intentionally, on the pluff mud, around Charleston all the time. *Some people do it to keep from paying a diver just to clean her bottom. *Some repaint the antifouling like this cheap! NO CHARGE for lift, storage, yard use, save big $$$$$$! Check the rudder, fittings and driving gear between when the paint job's done and the tide floods you out. Rebait the crab traps beyond the low tide line for dinner....(c; You're already all mud from walking in it all day.... P U!! *YOU STINK! (Some say it smells like money saved!) -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ------------------ Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ya and it didnt impress me. if he can get the boat into the channel he has water under him. currently he could farm the area around his boat. |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... Problem with this sailboat is that, once through the initial breakers, he's going to find a really long sand bar that parallels the beach about 75 yards out. The other thing is, if you've ever seen Hatteras during a storm you would come to the conclusion that launching is not an option during a storm. I used to windsurf out there with my buddies during some of the milder Noreasters and I can honestly say those breakers on the outer bars will pitch upwards of 15 feet. If they're 'barrelling' they'll suck the sand bar shallow. I wonder what his insurance status is? Would not surprise me at all if the boat became a total loss. Here're some more pics: http://live2sail.blogspot.com/2008/1...-atlantic.html Alan ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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He doesn't sound like a sailor with the competence to sail out of
that situation once he gets the boat free. Certainly not one properly insured against said lack of competence. |
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