Epoxy Finish
 

I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

John

Epoxy Finish
 

"jleiby" wrote in message
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I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Had the same problem. Did you rinse off the amine blush between coats?

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was under the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make any
difference.

Thanks
John

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
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"jleiby" wrote in message
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I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Had the same problem. Did you rinse off the amine blush between coats?

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

"jleiby" wrote in message
...
I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was under
the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make any
difference.

Mmmm..... interesting. I have never figured out why this was happening.
Did it look like this? http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

Meindert says:

Did it look like this? http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

That's what happens when you use a brush intended for Polyester only ;-P

Steve

Epoxy Finish
 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:04:15 +0200, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

"jleiby" wrote in message
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I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was under
the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make any
difference.

Mmmm..... interesting. I have never figured out why this was happening.
Did it look like this? http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

Hi,

Could be that silicone spray has been used nearby or contaminated
something, or it may even be anti-clog additives from sandpaper.

cheers,
Pete.

Epoxy Finish
 

It looks exactly like that!

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"jleiby" wrote in message
...
I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was under
the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not
necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I
since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make
any
difference.

Mmmm..... interesting. I have never figured out why this was happening.
Did it look like this? http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

"jleiby" writes:
I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.

The following is offered on a SFWIW basis, but it has allowed be to build a
55 ft boat using nothing but knitted glass, epoxy and foam.

1) Sand between every coat, regardless of how long it has been since the
previous coat of resin was laid. (I go thru a lot of 16 & 24 grit discs.
Epoxy eats sanding discs alive & a good right angle sander is your friend.)

2) Don't waste time and money trying to clean chip brushes. (I buy 2" chip
brushes of less than $0.25 each, so there is no incentive to clean them.)

3) Invest in a stainless steel Jiffy Mixer and a low cost drill motor to
power it. This simple tool will insure adequate mixing.

If you are not familiar with it, "Jiffy Mixer" is a trade name for a mixer
built in Riverside County, Ca.

Great gadget.

NOTE:

When the mixer gets full of cured epoxy, simply burn it clean with a propane
torch and start over. (Nice thing about S/S, it can handle heat.

The above has gotten me this far in my project, you may also find it
helpful.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures

Epoxy Finish
 

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
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"jleiby" wrote in message
...
I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Had the same problem. Did you rinse off the amine blush between coats?

Meindert

I wash between coats of epoxy using vinegar then wipe clean with acetone,
this seems to do the trick.

Rey

Epoxy Finish
 

"Pete C" wrote in message
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Could be that silicone spray has been used nearby or contaminated
something, or it may even be anti-clog additives from sandpaper.

I neved used silicone spray. So I think it is the anti-clog additive. I did
clean though, with xylene-based thinner, but probably not good enough or the
used rag was already too dirty.

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:03:31 UTC, "jleiby" wrote:

I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel'

Too long time between coats - washing and sanding is needed then.
Don't recoat if you no longer can make a mark with your nail.

The gel-phase (recoatable time) greatly depends on temperature - what
you find work for you on day, may not work the next day. My gel-time
started (barely tacky) around 2-5h after prior layup

When I builded up the hull of my strip kayak, I was basically up for
about 30H in a row - in order to be within gel-phase for every layer.
You may want to check out my http.

West got a good little leaflet, whit loads of tips, how to's and info.

Have fun
--
steen - menzi.dk
Ready for OpenOffice?
---

Epoxy Finish
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:

"jleiby" writes:
I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.


-------------

I see everyone as already given you lots of useful advise, about recoat windows,
etc. However, I am pretty sure they're off the mark here as far as your
problem.

You didn't say what brand or kind of epoxy you are using. Some have surface
tension issues and will 'pull away' - bead up etc. on smooth surfaces, such as
over itself. I have just such an epoxy like that in my product line - great for
poured table tops but don't brush it on over itself!


So, suggest you try a different epoxy.....


paul oman

progressive epoxy polymers
www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html

Epoxy Finish
 

It probably got a little too warm in the shop and the epoxy cured too
quickly. I've had that happen and rather than try to fix it (filling takes
too much epoxy), I find it easier to sand it off and then put the next coat
on when it's cooler (or use a slower hardener.)

Brian D

--
http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass -- My 22' Tolman Skiff project



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"jleiby" wrote in message
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I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

John

Epoxy Finish
 

If the finish looks like that, it's due to a contaminant. Either the brush
as Stephen pointed out, or something on the wood. I've seen silicon do that
from an accidental overspray of silicon lube ...the stuff should be illegal
in boat shops.

Brian D


--
http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass -- My 22' Tolman Skiff project



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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
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"jleiby" wrote in message
...
I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was under
the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not
necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I
since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make
any
difference.

Mmmm..... interesting. I have never figured out why this was happening.
Did it look like this? http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

Wash it thoroughly with hot soapy (detergent) water to remove contaminants
and rinse very well, then sand it down and wash with warm ammonia water,
then try coating again.

Brian D

--
http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass -- My 22' Tolman Skiff project



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"jleiby" wrote in message
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It looks exactly like that!

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"jleiby" wrote in message
...
I didn't rinse off the amine blush in the beginning because I was
under
the
impression that if you recoated with-in a day or two it was not
necessary.
Also, the epoxy I used is very low blush and I didn't notice any. I
since
have attempted to wash the surface with warm water but it didn't make
any
difference.

Mmmm..... interesting. I have never figured out why this was happening.
Did it look like this?
http://www.customware.nl/boats/images/sep/10091.jpg

Meindert

Epoxy Finish
 

Paul,

It sounded to me like he was using the same epoxy on all coats and 2 coats
had already gone on fine. It's not an epoxy system issue and there's no
need to change, no need for a sales pitch. If he's using the same stuff and
coated within 2 days like always, it should've gone on fine just like the
other coats already did. I'd bet your paycheck that he's managed to get a
contaminant on the boat instead.

Brian D

--
http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass -- My 22' Tolman Skiff project



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"Paul Oman" wrote in message
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

"jleiby" writes:
I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers
of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding
to
get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.


-------------

I see everyone as already given you lots of useful advise, about recoat
windows,
etc. However, I am pretty sure they're off the mark here as far as your
problem.

You didn't say what brand or kind of epoxy you are using. Some have
surface
tension issues and will 'pull away' - bead up etc. on smooth surfaces,
such as
over itself. I have just such an epoxy like that in my product line -
great for
poured table tops but don't brush it on over itself!


So, suggest you try a different epoxy.....


paul oman

progressive epoxy polymers
www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html

Epoxy Finish
 

Here's a trick to help get a fine finish. Clean any amine blush off
as others have said, but then just hit the high spots with a ROS or
pad sander. Don't try to sand all the epoxy off to get to the bottom
of those orange peel "valleys." You don't have to be too fussy about
getting all the sanded epoxy dust off the surface when you are done
either; just brush it off casually. Get a "Bondo" plastic auto body
spreader, which is a flexible plastic spreader available at any auto
parts store. Mix up one ounce of epoxy, and pour it out on the
surface, and use the plastic spreader to apply a very thin coat of
epoxy. A "skim coat" if you will. As you spread it out over a good
sized area,3 to 4 square feet of area, it will pick up the epoxy dust
and turn a milky white, thickening it just slightly. This is a
wonderful technique to fill in "orange peel" valleys and other small
imperfections. When cured, you will once again have a very smooth
surface.

Another tip: use a cabinet scraper instead of sand paper on the
epoxy. A cabinet scraper is a thin piece of steel that has a sharp
edge on it. Held almost vertical, and then dragged along the surface,
you'll find many of those long thin ridges peeling off easily. You
can buy them at stores like Woodworkers Warehouse. I do this before
sanding, and it really cuts down on the sanding I have to do, and in
some cases eliminates it.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:03:31 -0400, "jleiby"
wrote:

I am building a S&G kayak and I am finding that as I build up layers of
epoxy the finish tends to 'orange peel' and requires a lot of sanding to get
it smooth. The first coats of epoxy went on flat.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

John


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