Plywood Composite Boats
 

In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever been
built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats

As an example, does the Navy have any composite boats in its fleet?

Any commercial fisherman on a composite boat?

Are there any "composite constructed" Head Boats out there?

Composite construction might save time and money but you need to consider
longevity too ? Correct?

I have been told a real boat deserves to be kept in the water; however, also
been told plywood (composite) needs to be kept out of the water as much as
possible !

So ....it's difficult getting an answer in regard to composite
contstruction.

Anybody have any knowledge of these type boats/construction that have been
in service for more than a couple years?

Plywood Composite Boats
 

"JAGJR" writes:
In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever
been
built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats
snip

Yard down the street builds power boats in plywood.

They don't screw around with anything under 90 ft.

Detroit Diesel was paid $1.5M for a pair of engines that went in the last
boat they delivered.

HTH


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"JAGJR" ) writes:
In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever been
built using this method?

could try looking at www.devlinboats.com

as for plywood navy boats, the fist I know of were Patrol Torpedo (PT)
boats used in World War II (1939-45) using the waterproof wood glues
developed in the 1930's (resocinol and urea formaldehyde)



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On Friday 14 May 2004 2:06 am in rec.boats.building JAGJR wrote:

In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever
been built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats

Google for "wharram catamarans".
They come in sizes up to 65 feet and many have circumnavigated.


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In article ,
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In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever been
built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats

As an example, does the Navy have any composite boats in its fleet?\

If you're thinking that the fact that 'large boats' made in plywood form
a minority in the 'large boats' category, means that plywood or
composite construction is inferior to steel or solid wood, you're making
a mistake.

Every construction method has it's pro's and con's and often these are
related tot the size of the vessel. Small boats in steel are not good in
size to weight ratio, for instance. The advantages of steel begin to
weigh in for boats over 40 feet.
Solid wood is expensive to build and requires a lot more maintenance and
care.

I have been told a real boat deserves to be kept in the water; however, also
been told plywood (composite) needs to be kept out of the water as much as
possible !

You've probably been talking to some old salty traditionalist.
What he meant is that a boat made out of solid wood is best kept in the
water permanently. Boats made out of solid wood often leak when they
have been ashore for some time and are launched again.
The part about keeping a composite boat on dry land as much as possible
is no longer true, if it ever was.
There is a slight exeption: a GRP boat (polyester and glasfibre) could
live longer if you let it dry out in the cold season. It reduces the
chance on osmosis.
Plywood boats, sealed with epoxy (ideally covered in epoxy and
glasscloth) can live in the water or on dry land with no problem for
indefinite periods of time.

Anybody have any knowledge of these type boats/construction that have been
in service for more than a couple years?

There are plenty. Look at the boats Sam Devlin builds, for instance
(http://www.devlinboat.com/).

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"JAGJR" wrote in message news
So ....it's difficult getting an answer in regard to composite
contstruction.


It's easy to get an answer on our message board. We discuss nothing
else than composite boat building. There are around 50,000 messages
about that and more than 80 tutorials and HowTo files, some 10 pages
long.

See http://bateau2.com

Jacques

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JagJr

I have a 1964 ChrisCraft Sea Strake, which sports a plywood lower hull with
the lapping sea strake upper hull.

I would gather, by your description this could be considered to be a "large"
pleasure boat. If you conceder 31 foot to be "large".

Because of the construction of this particular vessel, she needs to be in
the water as much as possible to maintain the swelling of the wood to stop
her from leaking.

http://www.wildhorse-webdesign.com/boat if you care to take a look

"JAGJR" wrote in message
...
In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever
been
built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats

As an example, does the Navy have any composite boats in its fleet?

Any commercial fisherman on a composite boat?

Are there any "composite constructed" Head Boats out there?

Composite construction might save time and money but you need to consider
longevity too ? Correct?

I have been told a real boat deserves to be kept in the water; however,
also
been told plywood (composite) needs to be kept out of the water as much
as
possible !

So ....it's difficult getting an answer in regard to composite
contstruction.

Anybody have any knowledge of these type boats/construction that have been
in service for more than a couple years?

Plywood Composite Boats
 

That's a pretty boat and I enjoyed looking at your photos. It's neat the
way you parked your truck by the side of your boat. It gives the viewer a
good idea about the relative size of your boat.

A question I have is this ...you say, "....which sports a plywood lower hull
with the lapping sea strake upper hull."

If the lower hull is plywood and the upper "lapping ( I assume maybe
lapping plywood strakes, does that mean the lower hull is sheet plywood? If
so why "she needs to be in the water as much as possible to maintain the
swelling of the wood to stop her from leaking."

I'm impressed about the longevity of your boat if it's truly built out of
plywood.

However, it's not a composite boat. My question is about boats that are
truly composite construction.

Thanks for the truly interesting photos and response and best regards !!

Plywood Composite Boats
 

In the book Devlin's Boat Building, Sam Devlin states that boats over 90'
have been built using these methods.

Brian


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..
"JAGJR" wrote in message
...
In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever
been
built using this method?

I'm thinking about "large" to mean any large pleasure or commercial boats

As an example, does the Navy have any composite boats in its fleet?

Any commercial fisherman on a composite boat?

Are there any "composite constructed" Head Boats out there?

Composite construction might save time and money but you need to consider
longevity too ? Correct?

I have been told a real boat deserves to be kept in the water; however,
also
been told plywood (composite) needs to be kept out of the water as much
as
possible !

So ....it's difficult getting an answer in regard to composite
contstruction.

Anybody have any knowledge of these type boats/construction that have been
in service for more than a couple years?

Plywood Composite Boats
 

She has a solid Mahogany Keel, plywood sheet bottom and solid Mahogany
strakes. To keep the keel swelled up and to maintain the pressure from the
swelling on the plywood, she must stay in the water.

"JAGJR" wrote in message
...
That's a pretty boat and I enjoyed looking at your photos. It's neat the
way you parked your truck by the side of your boat. It gives the viewer a
good idea about the relative size of your boat.

A question I have is this ...you say, "....which sports a plywood lower
hull
with the lapping sea strake upper hull."

If the lower hull is plywood and the upper "lapping ( I assume maybe
lapping plywood strakes, does that mean the lower hull is sheet plywood?
If
so why "she needs to be in the water as much as possible to maintain the
swelling of the wood to stop her from leaking."

I'm impressed about the longevity of your boat if it's truly built out of
plywood.

However, it's not a composite boat. My question is about boats that are
truly composite construction.

Thanks for the truly interesting photos and response and best regards !!

Plywood Composite Boats
 

Thank you; that's interesting. And the plywood bottom survived after all
these years. I now have more respect for plywood as a boat building
material.

Intuition tells me the hull wasn't sheathed in glass/epoxy ...or was it ?

Also, I imagine a boat its size remained in the water during the boating
season instead of being "trailered".

I've read a lot about the need to keep a plywood boat out of the water, as
much as possible, in order to expect any longevity.

Maybe this boat is an aberration but I hope not. I'm
considering to build a composite plywood hull and will keep docked it in
salt water for six months out of the year.

I was told this wouldn't work. I was told to put it in at the beginning of
the day and take it out at the end.

I'm starting to feel a little more confident in plywood composite hulls.

Plywood Composite Boats
 

Actually, this boat was in the water from the first launch until about 5
years ago when it started the refinishing...(I think 354 years in the water
is a good testament) I just bought it a few months ago and haven't gotten
it into the water yet, but did put a garden hose into it last weekend to see
if I would have reason to worry when I re-launch her this summer... Well
lets just say I am planning on extra bilge pumps... She is showing a few
leaks!!!

Hoping she swells up fast!!!


"JAGJR" wrote in message
...
Thank you; that's interesting. And the plywood bottom survived after all
these years. I now have more respect for plywood as a boat building
material.

Intuition tells me the hull wasn't sheathed in glass/epoxy ...or was it ?

Also, I imagine a boat its size remained in the water during the boating
season instead of being "trailered".

I've read a lot about the need to keep a plywood boat out of the water, as
much as possible, in order to expect any longevity.

Maybe this boat is an aberration but I hope not. I'm
considering to build a composite plywood hull and will keep docked it in
salt water for six months out of the year.

I was told this wouldn't work. I was told to put it in at the beginning
of
the day and take it out at the end.

I'm starting to feel a little more confident in plywood composite hulls.

Plywood Composite Boats
 

The Thunderbird sailboat was designed in the 1950's and still
has a strong class going in the Us Pacific Northwest. There
are still many plywood Thunderbirds out there. These boats live
in the water year round.


"JAGJR" wrote in message
...
In regard to plywood/composite construction, have any large boats ever
been
built using this method?

Plywood Composite Boats
 

"Brian D" wrote in message
news:y_rpc.54753$xw3.3275430@attbi_s04...
In the book Devlin's Boat Building, Sam Devlin states that boats over 90'
have been built using these methods.

Brian

When I think of Plywood composite boats I think of plywood as the core
material for a fiberglass lay up. Plywood is stronger than most cores and
this strength is probably use in the structure of the boat so it is
important that it remain dry an rot free. Not easy things to do over a long
period of time. As long as it retains its structural integrity you can dry
out cores by drilling holes ever few inches and vacuum bagging the hull
until is stops loosing weight. The hot summer sun will help.

As a core material plywood is a pretty good one it is inexpensive, strong,
reasonably easy to work and not subject to catastrophic failure that plagues
some other core materials when they encounter slamming loads.

Even better is veneer that can be treated with a borate solution to rot
proof it and laid up with epoxy to water proof it for a lighter, stronger
more expensive and more durable core.

Gordon

Plywood Composite Boats
 

Is there a source(s) I can go to to learn how to treat a veneer with a
borate solution?

Plywood Composite Boats
 

On Sun, 16 May 2004 00:08:45 GMT, wrote:

Actually, this boat was in the water from the first launch until about 5
years ago when it started the refinishing...(I think 354 years in the water
is a good testament)

Dude! That beats the USS CONSTITUTION by about 140 years!! Kewl!!

- Rick "I only make fun of tpyos that are truly funny" Tyler

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Oppps... I missed on that one!!!

Was supposed to be 35 years

"Rick Tyler" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 00:08:45 GMT, wrote:

Actually, this boat was in the water from the first launch until about 5
years ago when it started the refinishing...(I think 354 years in the
water
is a good testament)

Dude! That beats the USS CONSTITUTION by about 140 years!! Kewl!!

- Rick "I only make fun of tpyos that are truly funny" Tyler

--
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depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian

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On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:54:48 GMT, vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Oppps... I missed on that one!!!

Was supposed to be 35 years


You have to be very careful I thought you meant 3_4_ years and I was
totally confused about why you would think that was so wonderful! G


"Rick Tyler" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 16 May 2004 00:08:45 GMT, wrote:

Actually, this boat was in the water from the first launch until about 5
years ago when it started the refinishing...(I think 354 years in the
water
is a good testament)

Dude! That beats the USS CONSTITUTION by about 140 years!! Kewl!!

- Rick "I only make fun of tpyos that are truly funny" Tyler

--
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depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian


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the toilet cubicles. You feel "What sort of twisted
child would do this?"....the internet seems full of
them. It's very sad

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Sorry, it wasn't my intention to confuse anyone!!! G

"Old Nick" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:54:48 GMT, vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Oppps... I missed on that one!!!

Was supposed to be 35 years


You have to be very careful I thought you meant 3_4_ years and I was
totally confused about why you would think that was so wonderful! G

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"Gordon Couger" wrote in message news:yMNpc.31057$bS1.19364@okepread02...
"Brian D" wrote in message
news:y_rpc.54753$xw3.3275430@attbi_s04...
In the book Devlin's Boat Building, Sam Devlin states that boats over 90'
have been built using these methods.

Brian

When I think of Plywood composite boats I think of plywood as the core
material for a fiberglass lay up. Plywood is stronger than most cores and
this strength is probably use in the structure of the boat so it is
important that it remain dry an rot free. Not easy things to do over a long
period of time.

Good thinking: Devlin designs plywood boats glued together with epoxy
and glass. Plywood cored boats with epoxy/glass skins are very
different. It is correct that in small boats, we use the properties of
the core. It is an hybrid material, between plywood and sandwich.
About large ones: once you get to 25-28', a foam core is a better
choice. Lighter, stronger, no risk of rot.
That is why se stop using plywood in that size range.

Jacques from bateau.com

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Lighter, stronger, no risk of rot.
That is why se stop using plywood in that size range.

jacques, boats with balsa cored decks virtually ALL become squishy soft over
time. boats with plywood cored decks almost never do, and those that do, do so
only in small areas. plywood cored decks are almost as long-lived as solid
fiberglass decks, and weigh less.

Have heard repeatedly from highly experienced, long term naval architects that
plywood hulls covered inside/outside and between plywood sheets are stronger
pound for pound than most any other material out there. About the only thing
that beats ply is damned expensive composites.

Very few plywood boats out there, though. People think they are wood and
therefore won't build they from scratch and won't buy used ones.

Plywood Composite Boats
 

JAXAshby wrote:
jacques, boats with balsa cored decks virtually ALL become squishy soft over
time.

This is as true as anything else Jax posts.


Have heard repeatedly from highly experienced, long term naval architects that
plywood hulls covered inside/outside and between plywood sheets are stronger
pound for pound than most any other material out there.

That must explain why all the America's Cup boats are built from plywood.


Very few plywood boats out there, though. People think they are wood and
therefore won't build they from scratch and won't buy used ones.

Yep plywood boats are so rare that they are really a tremendous novelty.
I bet that nobody here knows as much about building boats from plywood
as *you* do, Jax!

DSK

Plywood Composite Boats
 

dougies, so sleep it off

JAXAshby wrote:
jacques, boats with balsa cored decks virtually ALL become squishy soft
over
time.

This is as true as anything else Jax posts.


Have heard repeatedly from highly experienced, long term naval architects
that
plywood hulls covered inside/outside and between plywood sheets are
stronger
pound for pound than most any other material out there.

That must explain why all the America's Cup boats are built from plywood.


Very few plywood boats out there, though. People think they are wood and
therefore won't build they from scratch and won't buy used ones.

Yep plywood boats are so rare that they are really a tremendous novelty.
I bet that nobody here knows as much about building boats from plywood
as *you* do, Jax!

DSK

Plywood Composite Boats
 

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
dougies, so sleep it off



Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

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http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:
(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...

dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/

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Matt says:

That's just disturbing.

Yeah, Jax hits most people that way. ;-)

Steve

Plywood Composite Boats
 

That's just disturbing.

yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an upper
middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area where
her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband -- using a
phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in
Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer house
in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?



From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:
(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/

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Yeah, Jax hits most people that way. ;-)

Steve



yet, stevie dude brags -- on his website -- about "working on" (meaning sanding
the keel?) Coyote, a boat on which the keel fell off, killing Mike Plant, a
high school friend of my sister.

way to go, stevei.

Plywood Composite Boats
 

lol...I'll just refer to my previous statement and end my participation
in this thread.



JAXAshby wrote:
That's just disturbing.


yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an upper
middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area where
her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband -- using a
phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in
Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer house
in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?




From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message

...

dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/











--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/

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don't confuse you with any facts, is that right mattie?

maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor park to
upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it.

lol...I'll just refer to my previous statement and end my participation
in this thread.



JAXAshby wrote:
That's just disturbing.


yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an
upper
middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area
where
her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband --
using a
phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in
Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer
house
in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?




From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message

...

dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/











--
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JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/

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Well! I had no idea my personal life was of such interest. If you must
know, then let's begin.

"maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor
park to upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it."

-fat: I'm attracted to height/weight proportional women
-tattooed: if done within good taste and quality
-ex-strippers: not the career choice I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-trailor park: not the residence I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-had electricity turned off: Most people have had some financial trouble
at some time. This attribute is not a deciding factor for me.

anything else I can answer for ya?



JAXAshby wrote:
don't confuse you with any facts, is that right mattie?

maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor park to
upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it.


lol...I'll just refer to my previous statement and end my participation
in this thread.



JAXAshby wrote:

That's just disturbing.


yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an

upper

middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area

where

her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband --

using a

phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in
Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer

house

in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?





From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:


(JAXAshby) wrote in message

...


dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

Plywood Composite Boats
 

matt, you need to log in to the latts and atts board. that is where the
scooter trash/trailer trash hangs out. people on this ng brush their teeth
several times a week and are known to change their underwear before it smells.

"maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor
park to upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it."

-fat: I'm attracted to height/weight proportional women
-tattooed: if done within good taste and quality
-ex-strippers: not the career choice I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-trailor park: not the residence I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-had electricity turned off: Most people have had some financial trouble
at some time. This attribute is not a deciding factor for me.

anything else I can answer for ya?



JAXAshby wrote:
don't confuse you with any facts, is that right mattie?

maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor park
to
upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it.


lol...I'll just refer to my previous statement and end my participation
in this thread.



JAXAshby wrote:

That's just disturbing.


yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an

upper

middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area

where

her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband --

using a

phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill
in
Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer

house

in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?





From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:


(JAXAshby) wrote in message

...


dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

Plywood Composite Boats
 

um yea...thanks for the info.

JAXAshby wrote:
matt, you need to log in to the latts and atts board. that is where the
scooter trash/trailer trash hangs out. people on this ng brush their teeth
several times a week and are known to change their underwear before it smells.


"maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor
park to upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it."

-fat: I'm attracted to height/weight proportional women
-tattooed: if done within good taste and quality
-ex-strippers: not the career choice I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-trailor park: not the residence I'd prefer but who am I to judge?
-had electricity turned off: Most people have had some financial trouble
at some time. This attribute is not a deciding factor for me.

anything else I can answer for ya?



JAXAshby wrote:

don't confuse you with any facts, is that right mattie?

maybe, mattie, you find fat, tattooed ex-strippers living in a trailor park

to

upscale for you? well, if that is you meat have at it.



lol...I'll just refer to my previous statement and end my participation
in this thread.



JAXAshby wrote:


That's just disturbing.


yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an

upper


middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area

where


her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband --

using a


phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill

in

Switzerland.

Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer

house


in the hills? with the electricity turned off?

you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?






From: Matt Langenfeld
Date: 5/27/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: .net

http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jaxascii.html

That's just disturbing.

Jacques wrote:



(JAXAshby) wrote in message

...



dougies, so sleep it off




Jax,do I have to report you to Opalcat again?
;-)
FIY:
http://fathom.org/teemingmillions/jax.html

Jacques from bateau.com

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

Apologies to everyone else on the list for the length of this rather
off topic missive...

JAX, are you still on about this? I don't know where your brains
leaked out but your memory is so faulty it makes the baby Jesus cry.
Get out a pencil and take notes, because here are the facts:

1. I have never had a tattoo. Here is a picture of me (taken May 16,
2004) that shows enough skin to prove that, I think:
http://tinyurl.com/3abc3 (warning, don't look if you're at work)

2. I live in Northern Virginia, in the Washington DC suburbs, where I
have lived since 1997. When I first moved here I lived in an
apartment, then I rented a townhouse, now I own this townhouse:
http://tinyurl.com/275fq about 10 minutes from a Metro station into
DC. I have never lived in a trailer in my life. I have never lived
anywhere rural in my life. Prior to living here, I lived in Tucson, AZ
(population around a million.)

3. I'm not a hillbilly. I had always been a city girl, until I moved
here to the suburbs. My neighbors are soccer moms and so on, not
hillbillies. My mother was born in Brooklyn, raised in Larchmont NY,
and is currently an attorney in Tucson. My father is a mechanical
engineer. My grandfather was a doctor in New York. This is how I dress
when I go out dancing in DC on the weekends: http://tinyurl.com/2kghw
(taken in April)

4. Yes, my power was shut off once. It was turned on later the same
day. This has happened to a lot of people... why do you harp on it so?

5. My sites--about 25 of them--are owned by me. Some are registered in
my husband's name, yes (current husband? Try ONLY husband. 13 years
and counting.) but most are in my own name. Fathom.org is one of our
oldest domains, and he handled such things at the time which is why it
is in his name.

6. The registrar we use is in France, not Switzerland, and we use it
because it was cheaper than any US based registrars at the time we
chose it. There are cheaper ones now, but it's still a good price at
€12/anually and we are happy with their service.

7. I'm not fat, though I did gain weight for a few years following my
pregnancy. At present I weigh 115lbs. Reference:
http://tinyurl.com/24e6t (photo taken in April of this year)

8. I have no idea where you get this "upper middle class lifestyle"
you keep going on about. I've never said such a thing in my life. In
fact, if I say anything about my lifestyle at all I tend to make it
sounds worse than it is. I've never been impressed by money, though,
and have never had the urge to pretend I was "upper" anything. Of all
of your fabrications, this one puzzles me the most.

9. You're still an arrogant, ignorant asshole.

JAXAshby wrote:
yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an upper middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area where her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.
her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband -- using a phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in Switzerland. Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer house in the hills? with the electricity turned off? you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

Very good!

OpalCat wrote:
Apologies to everyone else on the list for the length of this rather
off topic missive...

JAX, are you still on about this? I don't know where your brains
leaked out but your memory is so faulty it makes the baby Jesus cry.
Get out a pencil and take notes, because here are the facts:

1. I have never had a tattoo. Here is a picture of me (taken May 16,
2004) that shows enough skin to prove that, I think:
http://tinyurl.com/3abc3 (warning, don't look if you're at work)

2. I live in Northern Virginia, in the Washington DC suburbs, where I
have lived since 1997. When I first moved here I lived in an
apartment, then I rented a townhouse, now I own this townhouse:
http://tinyurl.com/275fq about 10 minutes from a Metro station into
DC. I have never lived in a trailer in my life. I have never lived
anywhere rural in my life. Prior to living here, I lived in Tucson, AZ
(population around a million.)

3. I'm not a hillbilly. I had always been a city girl, until I moved
here to the suburbs. My neighbors are soccer moms and so on, not
hillbillies. My mother was born in Brooklyn, raised in Larchmont NY,
and is currently an attorney in Tucson. My father is a mechanical
engineer. My grandfather was a doctor in New York. This is how I dress
when I go out dancing in DC on the weekends: http://tinyurl.com/2kghw
(taken in April)

4. Yes, my power was shut off once. It was turned on later the same
day. This has happened to a lot of people... why do you harp on it so?

5. My sites--about 25 of them--are owned by me. Some are registered in
my husband's name, yes (current husband? Try ONLY husband. 13 years
and counting.) but most are in my own name. Fathom.org is one of our
oldest domains, and he handled such things at the time which is why it
is in his name.

6. The registrar we use is in France, not Switzerland, and we use it
because it was cheaper than any US based registrars at the time we
chose it. There are cheaper ones now, but it's still a good price at
€12/anually and we are happy with their service.

7. I'm not fat, though I did gain weight for a few years following my
pregnancy. At present I weigh 115lbs. Reference:
http://tinyurl.com/24e6t (photo taken in April of this year)

8. I have no idea where you get this "upper middle class lifestyle"
you keep going on about. I've never said such a thing in my life. In
fact, if I say anything about my lifestyle at all I tend to make it
sounds worse than it is. I've never been impressed by money, though,
and have never had the urge to pretend I was "upper" anything. Of all
of your fabrications, this one puzzles me the most.

9. You're still an arrogant, ignorant asshole.


JAXAshby wrote:

yeah, she describeds herself as a , fat tatooed ex-stripper who lives an upper middle class lifestyle in a trailer house in a VA or NC hillbilly area where her electricity has been turned off for non-payment of the bill.

her site is registered via another site owned by her current husband -- using a phony address and phony phone number -- through a site registration mill in Switzerland. Is that the kind of woman you like? fat. tatooed? Living in a trailer house in the hills? with the electricity turned off? you are a sick puppy, matt. does your mother know who your father was?

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

and you are still violating the law. what else is new?

btw, why did you register your site to your husband's site, each with a
fictional phone number and a Post Office Box #? Do you not know the the name
and address of the boxholder of record of any USPS mail box is available just
for the asking?

Opal has been angry with me since I (long, long, long ago) made the comment
(not aimed at her, nor at any possible prior career as a stripper) that I
didn't envy hookers for the variety of men they have sex with because hookers
only get to have sex with the men no other woman wants.

And opal continues to violate the law. she might lose all her sites for that.

I still don't envy hookers. They have a crummy job. Rumor has it they don't
enjoy it either.

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

And this all has what to do with boat building? I missed something here.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
and you are still violating the law. what else is new?

btw, why did you register your site to your husband's site, each with a
fictional phone number and a Post Office Box #? Do you not know the the
name
and address of the boxholder of record of any USPS mail box is available
just
for the asking?

Opal has been angry with me since I (long, long, long ago) made the
comment
(not aimed at her, nor at any possible prior career as a stripper) that I
didn't envy hookers for the variety of men they have sex with because
hookers
only get to have sex with the men no other woman wants.

And opal continues to violate the law. she might lose all her sites for
that.

I still don't envy hookers. They have a crummy job. Rumor has it they
don't
enjoy it either.

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

do you suppose that opal has taken up boating in her dotage?

And this all has what to do with boat building? I missed something here.

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

Open letter to JAX to finally clear up some things... Was: Plywood Composite Boats
 

now there's some history I'd like to know....how did this end up on rec
boat building???

OpalCat wrote:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...

and you are still violating the law. what else is new?

btw, why did you register your site to your husband's site, each with a
fictional phone number and a Post Office Box #?


My husband doesn't have a site, so I don't know what you're talking
about. Also, what do you mean "register your site to your husband's
site" ...? How can you "register a site" "to" another site?

As I said, my husband registered our first few domains because he was
the tech guy and that was back in the days when it was a pain in the
ass to do. We've since transferred the domains to the easier to use,
cheaper registrar, but haven't bothered to change the name on them.
Anything registered in the last few years I've registered myself, with
my own name. As for the phone number, Duh I don't want losers like you
calling me. Most domain registrations that aren't big companies use
fake phone numbers. The PO Box was actually my PO Box at the time we
registered the domain. It isn't my PO Box anymore, but again we
haven't bothered to go in and change the registration info.

May I ask why the hell you care?

You ragged on me in your newsgroup here, and so I felt I needed to
come lay a few facts straight. I've done that now, and I'm sure your
fellow boating enthusiasts would appreciate it if you'd shut up and
return to more on-topic discussions. (Actually they'd probably rather
you shut up and let them get on with the on-topic discussions without
you, but that's just my conjecture based on your history.)