"DSK" wrote in message
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derbyrm wrote:

Even a short (20 to 30 foot) length of chain adds a lot of weight.

True. That doesn't mean you need to carry it right at the bow.

But that's where the self draining storage compartment is shown by the
designer.

That depends on whom you consider a "real cruiser." There are places where
more chain is certainly desirable but many others where it's just a heavy
PITA. In a small boat like a Chebacco you would do well to avoid heavy
macho "solutions" and try to keep things light & practical.

I have used all-chain rode in places like the Bahamas and some parts of
New England, but for most of the U.S. east coast, it's overkill. Many a
"real cruiser" seems to like all-chain for bragging rights about the
hairy-assedness of his or her ground tackle (shrug). Improperly set, or
using the wrong anchor, will drag just as readily with all-chain as with
short heavy chain & line. OTOH I've anchored securely many a night
(including some pretty heavy weather) with rodes of mostly rope.

Misunderstanding here! I gave up the idea of an all chain rode when I gave
up on my version of Badger. The short heavy length is what I'm thinking of.
Or a keggle.

I imagine that most of my anchoring will be along the shores of the Ohio
River, and there's some pretty nasty jetsum, up to and including houses and
sunken barges, in those parts.

Stowage amidships has been done, but it's a really difficult thing to do
well.

True.

.... Put it amidships and you've diced the cabin with the hawse tube.
Put it to one side and, over time, one of your legs gets shorter.


In small boats, I've had pretty good luck storing the anchor either under
the well deck or at the forward end of one of the cockpit lockers, and
leading the rode around the outside to the bow chock. When you want to
anchor, just pull up a little further to windward of your spot to allow
for the extra 20 or so feet of rode you just dropped. That also eliminates
the ugly marks from dragging the chain across the boat.

That's an idea I really like! I keep forgetting that I'll have all that
storage under the cockpit seats. Once it's rinsed off, it can go by the
battery bank (with proper insulation/protection/baffles).

I've updated the rudder pictures in the middle of
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html

Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

True. That doesn't mean you need to carry it right at the bow.


derbyrm wrote:
But that's where the self draining storage compartment is shown by the
designer.


That's a good feature. I didn't think much of anchor wells
until we owned a boat that had one. Bolger's designs have
the added benefit of being able to get the weight down
lower. Still want to minimize weight up front.

The boat's not a one-design racer but it's small enough to
suffer if you were to carry too much weight up there.



Misunderstanding here! I gave up the idea of an all chain rode when I gave
up on my version of Badger. The short heavy length is what I'm thinking of.
Or a keggle.


Don't know what a keggle is.

We do a lot of anchoring in shallow muddy places. The set-up
we use for our "working" anchor is a shorter (40') length of
heavier chain. Bought from a farm-supply store at approx 1/2
marine prices (yes it is HT hot galvanized, same stuff).


I imagine that most of my anchoring will be along the shores of the Ohio
River, and there's some pretty nasty jetsum, up to and including houses and
sunken barges, in those parts.


You'll probably want a trip line. We rarely use one. Our
plan is to do an eastern loop (or Great Loop or
circumnavigate West Virginia) via the ICW, Hudson, Erie
Canal, Great Lakes, Mississippi River, down & around
Florida... up the Ohio for at least a short stretch, so
we'll see what it's like too.

Aren't there a lot of nice lakes in that area?




That's an idea I really like! I keep forgetting that I'll have all that
storage under the cockpit seats. Once it's rinsed off, it can go by the
battery bank (with proper insulation/protection/baffles).


Can you put in a self-draining shelf to put it on? The darn
things are almost always dirty & damp.

Here's my current project
http://community.webshots.com/album/82561569ZSrzNA

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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True. That doesn't mean you need to carry it right at the bow.

derbyrm wrote:
But that's where the self draining storage compartment is
shown by the designer.

That's a good feature. I didn't think much of anchor wells until we owned
a boat that had one. Bolger's designs have the added benefit of being able
to get the weight down lower. Still want to minimize weight up front.

The boat's not a one-design racer but it's small enough to suffer if you
were to carry too much weight up there.

Misunderstanding here! I gave up the idea of an all chain rode when I
gave up on my version of Badger. The short heavy length is what I'm
thinking of. Or a keggle.

Don't know what a keggle is.

I've been having trouble finding the correct spelling for the gadget. What
I'm referring to is a weight which slides down the rode, part way, to
emulate the catenary you'd get with the chain. It has its own light line
for recovery and positioning.

We do a lot of anchoring in shallow muddy places. The set-up we use for
our "working" anchor is a shorter (40') length of heavier chain. Bought
from a farm-supply store at approx 1/2 marine prices (yes it is HT hot
galvanized, same stuff).


I imagine that most of my anchoring will be along the shores of
the Ohio River, and there's some pretty nasty jetsum, up to and
including houses and sunken barges, in those parts.

You'll probably want a trip line. We rarely use one. Our plan is to do an
eastern loop (or Great Loop or circumnavigate West Virginia) via the ICW,
Hudson, Erie Canal, Great Lakes, Mississippi River, down & around
Florida... up the Ohio for at least a short stretch, so we'll see what
it's like too.

That "Great Loop" excursion has been a dream of mine for many years,
starting back when I lived in Schenectady, NY. I don't think the Chebacco's
living accomodations are up to it. It would work better with one of
Bolger's long, skinny motor boats.

I found it interesting that from Cleveland to Chicago is over 1000 miles by
water.

That's an idea I really like! I keep forgetting that I'll have all that
storage under the cockpit seats. Once it's rinsed off, it can go by the
battery bank (with proper insulation/protection/baffles).


Can you put in a self-draining shelf to put it on? The darn things are
almost always dirty & damp.

Good idea, but it will have to wait until I turn the hull over.

Here's my current project
http://community.webshots.com/album/82561569ZSrzNA

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

I recollect the generic term "kellet" and that there was a commercial
product called "Rode Rider".



"derbyrm" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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True. That doesn't mean you need to carry it right at the bow.

derbyrm wrote:
But that's where the self draining storage compartment is
shown by the designer.

That's a good feature. I didn't think much of anchor wells until we
owned
a boat that had one. Bolger's designs have the added benefit of being
able
to get the weight down lower. Still want to minimize weight up front.

The boat's not a one-design racer but it's small enough to suffer if you
were to carry too much weight up there.

Misunderstanding here! I gave up the idea of an all chain rode when I
gave up on my version of Badger. The short heavy length is what I'm
thinking of. Or a keggle.

Don't know what a keggle is.

I've been having trouble finding the correct spelling for the gadget.
What
I'm referring to is a weight which slides down the rode, part way, to
emulate the catenary you'd get with the chain. It has its own light line
for recovery and positioning.

We do a lot of anchoring in shallow muddy places. The set-up we use for
our "working" anchor is a shorter (40') length of heavier chain. Bought
from a farm-supply store at approx 1/2 marine prices (yes it is HT hot
galvanized, same stuff).


I imagine that most of my anchoring will be along the shores of
the Ohio River, and there's some pretty nasty jetsum, up to and
including houses and sunken barges, in those parts.

You'll probably want a trip line. We rarely use one. Our plan is to do
an
eastern loop (or Great Loop or circumnavigate West Virginia) via the
ICW,
Hudson, Erie Canal, Great Lakes, Mississippi River, down & around
Florida... up the Ohio for at least a short stretch, so we'll see what
it's like too.

That "Great Loop" excursion has been a dream of mine for many years,
starting back when I lived in Schenectady, NY. I don't think the
Chebacco's
living accomodations are up to it. It would work better with one of
Bolger's long, skinny motor boats.

I found it interesting that from Cleveland to Chicago is over 1000 miles
by
water.

That's an idea I really like! I keep forgetting that I'll have all
that
storage under the cockpit seats. Once it's rinsed off, it can go by
the
battery bank (with proper insulation/protection/baffles).


Can you put in a self-draining shelf to put it on? The darn things are
almost always dirty & damp.

Good idea, but it will have to wait until I turn the hull over.

Here's my current project
http://community.webshots.com/album/82561569ZSrzNA

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

Jim Conlin wrote:
I recollect the generic term "kellet" and that there was a commercial
product called "Rode Rider".


Isn't "killock" also used for that? Nautical terminolgy
isn't a high precision science.

In the Hornblower books, occasionally they use a cannon
barrel as a kellet, for better holding & security. Kind of
drastic but then Hornblower *never* dragged anchor!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Killock \Kil"lock\, n. [Cf. Scot. killick ``the flue [fluke] of
an anchor.'' --Jamieson.]
A small anchor; also, a kind of anchor formed by a stone
inclosed by pieces of wood fastened together. [Written also
killick.]"DSK" wrote in message
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Jim Conlin wrote:
I recollect the generic term "kellet" and that there was a commercial
product called "Rode Rider".


Isn't "killock" also used for that? Nautical terminolgy
isn't a high precision science.

In the Hornblower books, occasionally they use a cannon
barrel as a kellet, for better holding & security. Kind of
drastic but then Hornblower *never* dragged anchor!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Jim Conlin wrote:

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Killock \Kil"lock\, n. [Cf. Scot. killick ``the flue [fluke] of
an anchor.'' --Jamieson.]
A small anchor; also, a kind of anchor formed by a stone
inclosed by pieces of wood fastened together. [Written also
killick.]

Got it.

The nice thing about the "kind of anchor formed by a stone
inclosed by pieces of wood fastened together" (gee I haven't
seen one of those in years & years) is that it's totally
corrosion free.

DSK

That's the word!

Roger (a brain is a terrible thing to lose)

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

"Jim Conlin" wrote
I recollect the generic term "kellet" and that there was a commercial
product called "Rode Rider".

"derbyrm" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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True. That doesn't mean you need to carry it right at the bow.

derbyrm wrote:
snip
Misunderstanding here! I gave up the idea of an all chain rode when
I
gave up on my version of Badger. The short heavy length is what I'm
thinking of. Or a keggle.

Don't know what a keggle is.

I've been having trouble finding the correct spelling for the gadget.

What I'm referring to is a weight which slides down the rode, part way,
to emulate the catenary you'd get with the chain. It has its own light
line
for recovery and positioning.
snip