When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no
good political party anymore ...was there ever?

Brian


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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Larry W4CSC wrote:

I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston,
SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I
can communicate on the phone.

The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just
to go to Charleston. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.

More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up
some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted
to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at
shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles
that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with
everything else for most of the last decade.

The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the
relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes
paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies.

You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import
tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or
"protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm
products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when
a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company.

If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn
to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules
that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all
elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be
available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in
the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native
language, because many are third or forth generation citizens.

As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural
diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped
trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is
set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of
being offended by anything.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote
themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay
Brian D wrote:

When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no
good political party anymore ...was there ever?

Brian


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04...


Larry W4CSC wrote:


I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston,
SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I
can communicate on the phone.

The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just
to go to Charleston. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

No, I didn't vote for 'it'. Not unless some politician was mis-representing
his/herself. However, you make a lot of good points and illustrate how
screwed up things have become ...maybe hopelessly so. As a professional who
has on many occasions worked directly to 'offshore' the work that we all
wish was here (you have to do what you are told), I got the impression that
the primary reasons were taxes/cost on product produced, not so much the
labor cost differences. At least in the world of high volume manufacturing,
that's the way it was. Now I'm in a part of the company that requires lower
volume manufacturing, much of it 'manual automation' (uh huh), and there was
never any consideration for having it in the United States. Personally, I'd
rather live through a recession/depression and start over. Don't export
unless they buy more than they sell. Why can some nutless country operate
with a trade deficit that works against the US and we don't turn it around?
Don't import unless there are enough duties on the goods to make them as
expensive as similar products in the US. F*&# the middle east and produce
our own oil. We'd have to drill some additional known areas ...but how low
do you think they'd drop the price if they knew they had to? Remember? WE
use the majority of the oil ...why are we being man-handled by *them*? When
is the big gorilla going to look in the mirror and realize it's strength?
Want to see willing workers to 'displace' the illegal immigrants? Kill
welfare. Done. Lots of willing workers. Go back to the idea of poor farms
....don't like hoeing beets and living in bunk beds with 49 other people at a
time? Get a job.

Protectionist? Too bad. We consume the most and have the most leverage.
They can play strong arm games for a little while, but they'll eventually
figure out who the big boys are.

Brian


"taxpayer" wrote in message
...
You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.

More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up
some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted
to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at
shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles
that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with
everything else for most of the last decade.

The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the
relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes
paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies.

You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import
tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or
"protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm
products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when
a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company.

If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn
to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules
that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all
elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be
available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in
the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native
language, because many are third or forth generation citizens.

As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural
diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped
trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is
set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of
being offended by anything.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote
themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay
Brian D wrote:

When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import
....THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There
is no
good political party anymore ...was there ever?

Brian


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04...


Larry W4CSC wrote:


I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston,
SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I
can communicate on the phone.

The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just
to go to Charleston. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:10:15 GMT,
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email


I know we would al like to discuss this, and fire away. BUt the OP has
trolled a huge amount, corss-posting to a very wide range of groups
and even private forums as far as I can see.

When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!!
-
I think you must know what I’m talking about. Together, a heavy foreign accent,
coupled with a lousy phone connection can only mean one thing... An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where some

************************************************** ** sorry

..........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Does Bill Gates dream of electronic sheep?

Have the same problem in England, Had to report a fault on a telephone a few
weeks ago, I'm sure the call went to India.
As other posters have said, if you removed or reduced welfare payments there
would be a lot more 'willing' workers available. A friend of mine is
involved in agriculture, he tells me that he cannot recruit fruit pickers
etc from 'home grown labour' and has to hire overseas staff via an agency.
There is a local factory that processes chickens (frozen chicken) I have
recently been told that they have laid off all their long term staff and now
just use agency staff, mainly from eastern europe. Not the sort of job I
would wish to do myself but several people have lost their jobs in favour of
immigrants.
Too many here don't want to work and too many from elsewhere are coming in
and claiming benefits neither they or any of their older relatives have
contributed towards!!
the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
John

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:34:06 +0100, "John Smith"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Have the same problem in England, Had to report a fault on a telephone a few
weeks ago, I'm sure the call went to India.
As other posters have said, if you removed or reduced welfare payments there
would be a lot more 'willing' workers available.

Yes. But it's never this simple, dammit!

One of those workers may be able to take _your_ job, for less
pay....and ;ess pay...and less pay.
************************************************** ** sorry

..........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Does Bill Gates dream of electronic sheep?

Do you know that your fed and state tax dollars help pay for illegal aliens?
A west Texas study estimated the cost to the county just for medical was
5400 per person, for the 8 children of one illegal alien. They didn't
figure on his wife also collecting welfare, their kids getting education,
and the other social costs like legal/criminal. Oh, by the way, no state or
election judge in the country demands proof of US citizenship to vote or
collect welfare? And neither political party will touch this issue, because
of corporate contributions wanting cheap disposable labor.

Outsourcing may be inevitable, but the loss of our borders and 8-12
million illegals after 9/11 is intentional.
"Old Nick" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:34:06 +0100, "John Smith"
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Have the same problem in England, Had to report a fault on a telephone a
few
weeks ago, I'm sure the call went to India.
As other posters have said, if you removed or reduced welfare payments
there
would be a lot more 'willing' workers available.

Yes. But it's never this simple, dammit!

One of those workers may be able to take _your_ job, for less
pay....and ;ess pay...and less pay.
************************************************** ** sorry

.........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Does Bill Gates dream of electronic sheep?

Brian D wrote:

We consume the most and have the most leverage.

Therin lies a big part of the problem. We can't be both the biggest
consumer and the biggest exporter. We over-consume and end up having to
live with a huge trade deficit. It's our own fault.

"taxpayer" wrote in message
...
You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.


Being rather close to the border action, I would say that the real reason we
have such a large permanent illegal alien population is the pandering of the
political parties (mostly the Democrats, with their concept on
"inclusiveness" to achieve power) to the loud-mouth, seditious Chicano
activists. They promise to deliver the Latin vote, garnering special
privileges and favoritism that's cancerous to our republic. Meanwhile, the
activists encourage non-assimilation into our culture, as this would erode
their own power base. Through all the talk, and double-talk, the Mexican
population of America grows by maybe 1.5M per year. Spanish ballots,
drivers' licenses for illegals, public documents doubled in size to
accommodate a Spanish translation, bilingual education, money for "arts"
programs that celebrate the homicidal psychotics of the Aztec Empire.

If you want to know what the real program is, just think Aztlan, from
Spokane to Denver to New Orleans. Considering the zeal of the immigrative
and reproductive warriors, even that might be too modest. Of course, we
can't say these obvious truths, since anyone pointing this out would
immediately be discredited as a racist, elitist xenophobe.

I keep trying to vote the rascals out, but there appears to be an infinite
supply of rascals.

Ed
(deep in the heart of Aztlan)

Brian D wrote:
When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs.

Sure, then all the cheap products and services we've gotten used to will
disappear or increase dramatically in price, so your higher wages won't
buy you a damn thing. It's nice to sling simple answers around, but the
economy is far too complex for them to be useful. All this whining about
"outsourcing" and "offshoring" is nothing but a huge red herring. This
is nothing new (it's been going on for decades) and it accounts for only
~10% of the job losses we've suffered. The only difference now is in the
types of jobs that are going overseas. It used to be only blue-collar
manufacturing jobs, but now that it's white-collar tech and service jobs
too, people are getting all worked up over it.

If we continue to demand cheap products and services - something that
isn't likely to change - the trend to move jobs offshore will continue
too. Protectionism has never worked, it never will and it's not the
answer. Whether you like the global economy or not, it's reality. We all
have to live with it and adapt to it. The key to improving the job
market is to get the economy rolling again, but that takes time. The
indications are good, but it's not going to happen overnight, no matter
how much we complain or who's running the country.