And many of today's so-called safe boats will kill you quicker than
Gardner's designs. Bureaucrats... who needs them?

Brian


"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
Max Camirand wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.

Unless otherwise noted in the plans, the only legality he has to worry
about is weather it meets current (at time of sale, not when drawn)
safety regulations. Even selling old plans, you are supposed to adjust
or ammend for this purpose, many designers don't, and I don't know
what you would do about a book like the Gardner books... Many of those
boats are not considered safe by todays standards, but of course these
are safe boats for people with brains...



Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.

I'm sure Steve knows that, though.

-m

----
Boatbuilder-friendly small sawmill in Ottawa/Gatineau region.

I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I also do most of my shopping on ebay using the search engine and have good
results. I will admit I'm often surprised at finding a nice piece of boat
gear of nautical cruising guide in some totally unrelated catagory..

However, it is also helpful to have the item in and appropriate catagory to
'catch the eye' of someone just browsing around. I suspect that the majority
of impulse purchases are from browsing rather than searching.. I'm talking
about the guy who never knew he was looking for a set of sail boat plans..
;o)

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I think that as a designer, the only safety regs you have to follow are the
USCG rules, which have less to do with boat design than they have to do with
systems and things like loading and powering. If you're a manufacturer,
then following ABYC guidelines are a good idea since there is a lot of court
precedent that says if you don't, then you chose to be liable. As anybody
with a boat, buying or building or owning, following ABYC guidelines makes
good sense since most if not all were derived from real-life issues and
experiences. Anyway, this is how I understand it. I'd love to be corrected
if I'm wrong...

Brian


"Steve" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG,
??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail.
These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your
talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message ...
I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Ah, yeah I really was not paying attention, a 38 footer does not need
the same stuff as the boats I build. Anyway Steve, how much do you
want for the plans?
Scotty...

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...

Ah, yeah I really was not paying attention, a 38 footer does not need
the same stuff as the boats I build. Anyway Steve, how much do you
want for the plans?
Scotty...

I sent you a private email to keep the Flames to a minimum.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:53:24 GMT, "Brian D"
wrote:

I think category placement only impacts those who actually drill down and
browse by clicking ...an extremely inefficient way of looking through eBay
stuff. Most people, including myself, just do a search on keywords ...and
*still* have too much to look through. I'm thinking that the boat plans
will get found just fine regardless of where they are put. I'm betting
99.9% of the eBay crowd are doing searches just like me.

Brian


I currently have several "boat plans" on ebay in several categories.
watching the hit counters would indicate that categories do make a
difference. The hit count for similar plans varies dramatically by
category.

kw

kw wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:53:24 GMT, "Brian D"
wrote:

I think category placement only impacts those who actually drill down and
browse by clicking ...an extremely inefficient way of looking through eBay
stuff. Most people, including myself, just do a search on keywords ...and
*still* have too much to look through. I'm thinking that the boat plans
will get found just fine regardless of where they are put. I'm betting
99.9% of the eBay crowd are doing searches just like me.

Brian

Yeah, but several days later, still no bid over 10 bucks for the plans
in question. I have seen the study plan and the plan is worth more
than that to me, and I will never even build it. I can't see no one
else being interested in it, so that tells me that they must not be
finding it.

Scotty

Hey Steve, if you don't get what you want for them, or just wanna pull
em' down, send me a note. I'll put em' up on my site, you'll sell em'
that's a sweet boat.




I currently have several "boat plans" on ebay in several categories.
watching the hit counters would indicate that categories do make a
difference. The hit count for similar plans varies dramatically by
category.

kw

"Steve" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and wrote:


I sent you a private email to keep the Flames to a minimum.

Could you send me on too please, if you still have them

steveb
--
twigg2324 AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk

Two things of note concerning eBay:

- You can't just pull something off ...it's a contract to sell and sell
you must, unless you get zero bidders. Same thing with placing a bid. It's
a contract to buy and you can't change your mind unless the seller
volunteers to let you off the hook. Go bid what you think a fair price is.

- You often never see a price get touched, other than an opening bid,
until the last 30 seconds of the auction. People use sniping software to
place last minute bids rather than run the price up while waiting for
closing. Think of the few days that something sits there static as an
advertising period, and the last 1 minute of the auction as the bidding
period (grinz.) I like Auction Sentry and have purchased several brand new
items for my boat at half the usual catalog price, or less.

Brian D

http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass -- My boat project
http://www.advantagecomposites.com -- Discounted System Three Resins
products


"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
kw wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:53:24 GMT, "Brian D"
wrote:

I think category placement only impacts those who actually drill down
and
browse by clicking ...an extremely inefficient way of looking through
eBay
stuff. Most people, including myself, just do a search on keywords
....and
*still* have too much to look through. I'm thinking that the boat
plans
will get found just fine regardless of where they are put. I'm betting
99.9% of the eBay crowd are doing searches just like me.

Brian

Yeah, but several days later, still no bid over 10 bucks for the plans
in question. I have seen the study plan and the plan is worth more
than that to me, and I will never even build it. I can't see no one
else being interested in it, so that tells me that they must not be
finding it.

Scotty

Hey Steve, if you don't get what you want for them, or just wanna pull
em' down, send me a note. I'll put em' up on my site, you'll sell em'
that's a sweet boat.




I currently have several "boat plans" on ebay in several categories.
watching the hit counters would indicate that categories do make a
difference. The hit count for similar plans varies dramatically by
category.

kw