Hoping someone here can help me out.

I am looking to build a trailer sailor. About 14 to 15 foot in length which
is suitable for overnight trips.
I found the Kingston 15 and ordered the plans.

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/diyplans/kingston15.html

These arrived quickly and are detailed. In the meantime, I had read some
bad comments about this design in the bateau forums.
The opinion is that it has too much windage and could be unstable.
Looking at the profile it seems similar to many other designs.

Such as
http://www.zeglarstwo.sail-ho.pl/szt...rplan.html#dok

to name one free one. And many other similar designs.

Does anyone here have any opinions on this.


Thanks in advance

Brian

B Garner wrote:
Hoping someone here can help me out.

I am looking to build a trailer sailor. About 14 to 15 foot in length which
is suitable for overnight trips.
I found the Kingston 15 and ordered the plans.

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/diyplans/kingston15.html

These arrived quickly and are detailed. In the meantime, I had read some
bad comments about this design in the bateau forums.
The opinion is that it has too much windage and could be unstable.

Had any of these "bad comment" people actually sailed the boat?

Looks OK to me. Of course it will have more windage than a
daysailer, how coould it not? This design looks relatively
clean though. Are they trying to compare it to a 470?

I like the sitting-up headroom. A big big plus.

As for stability, I don't like the high coamings because as
the boat heels, they force the skipper & crew's weigh
inboard at a time when they should be moving out. But the
coamings will keep you a lot drier than you'd be otherwise.
Everything is a compromise.



Looking at the profile it seems similar to many other designs.

Such as
http://www.zeglarstwo.sail-ho.pl/szt...rplan.html#dok

to name one free one. And many other similar designs.


I like that one better, I think. The double chine will add
building time but it will sail much better. From these
drawings, it's hard to tell what the finished boat will look
like. It might not look as well-proportioned as the first
one. A foam panel in the head of the mainsail would be
better than a masthead float IMHO.


Does anyone here have any opinions on this.


Boy do we ever!

Would you consider building in foam core instead of plywood?
It's more expensive of course, but the boat would come out
weighing approx 1/2 as much. The boat would sail *much*
better and be easier to handle overall. You could then add
ballast for stability and still have a lighter better boat.
No worries about rot, either.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Had any of these "bad comment" people actually sailed the boat?

I dont think so. In fact I think only one has been built and I am led to
believe that that sails fine.
Its just a lot of work to buid if it isnt right when finished.

Looking at the profile it seems similar to many other designs.

Such as
http://www.zeglarstwo.sail-ho.pl/szt...rplan.html#dok

to name one free one. And many other similar designs.


I like that one better, I think. The double chine will add building time
but it will sail much better. From these drawings, it's hard to tell what
the finished boat will look like. It might not look as well-proportioned
as the first one. A foam panel in the head of the mainsail would be better
than a masthead float IMHO.


I also like the look of this but the building seems more complicated.
I have only built one boat so far and that was a v bottomed sailing dingy of
10 foot length.



Does anyone here have any opinions on this.


Boy do we ever!


LOL


Would you consider building in foam core instead of plywood? It's more
expensive of course, but the boat would come out weighing approx 1/2 as
much. The boat would sail *much* better and be easier to handle overall.
You could then add ballast for stability and still have a lighter better
boat. No worries about rot, either.


Its not something I had really considered yet. I did have a quick look for
foam core suppliers in the UK and I couldnt find any with reasonable prices.
Maybe they are out there but I couldnt find them

Thanks for your help

Brian

Would you consider building in foam core instead of plywood? It's more
expensive of course, but the boat would come out weighing approx 1/2 as
much. The boat would sail *much* better and be easier to handle overall.
You could then add ballast for stability and still have a lighter better
boat. No worries about rot, either.


Its not something I had really considered yet. I did have a quick look for
foam core suppliers in the UK and I couldnt find any with reasonable prices.
Maybe they are out there but I couldnt find them

Not only is foam pricey its not a construction technique everyone is
comfortable with. If you have experience with a plywood boat I would
be inclined to stay with it. As for rot, epoxy encapsulation is quite
effective at dealing with that.

I looked at the kingston well when choosing designs (I settled on the
need to design my own but that is definitely not for the faint
hearted). There was a lot to like about it. For a second boat, it
should make a nice project.

These guys also have 3 very simple plywood trailer sailers, a bit
bigger and more comfortable than the kingston.

http://www.stevproj.com/PocketYachts.html



Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

(Ted W Lee) wrote in news:20071-440C68FE-819@storefull-
3132.bay.webtv.net:

What language is this website?
-http://www.zeglarstwo.sail-ho.pl/sztranus/sztrplan.html#dok- Thanks,
Ted.



polish

Hint: The clue is in the .pl after "sail-ho" -- see:
http://www.bitmedia.com/cc/url1.htm

That's a "country code."

Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

"Ted W Lee" wrote in message
...
What language is this website?
-http://www.zeglarstwo.sail-ho.pl/sztranus/sztrplan.html#dok- Thanks,
Ted.

And why not buy a used Potter?
Then you could go sailing today!

Oh I forgot........... This is rec.boat.building not
rec.boating.now.

Forgive me my sarcasm, I think I am just getting a bit tired of cut
hands, boat goo drips, tearing hair off my forearms bonded by epoxy,
running wire through places a short troll would ignore, spending two
days on the internet/phone locating 25 bucks of 3 1/2 inch 1/4x20 PH MS
in 316 phillips head, and then doing it again because I just screwed it
up. I think I need a beer. Now where was that opener........? Humm, the
side cutters will do.

Bob

Hi Bob

Maybe the used potter isnt such a bad idea :-)

Good luck with the build.

Brian


"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...


And why not buy a used Potter?
Then you could go sailing today!

Oh I forgot........... This is rec.boat.building not
rec.boating.now.

Forgive me my sarcasm, I think I am just getting a bit tired of cut
hands, boat goo drips, tearing hair off my forearms bonded by epoxy,
running wire through places a short troll would ignore, spending two
days on the internet/phone locating 25 bucks of 3 1/2 inch 1/4x20 PH MS
in 316 phillips head, and then doing it again because I just screwed it
up. I think I need a beer. Now where was that opener........? Humm, the
side cutters will do.

Bob

Bob wrote:
And why not buy a used Potter?
Then you could go sailing today!

Oh I forgot........... This is rec.boat.building not
rec.boating.now.


Hey somebody has to build cool boats, or else the only boats
around to be sailed would be Catalinas & Hunters....
wouldn't that be a sad world.


Forgive me my sarcasm, I think I am just getting a bit tired of cut
hands, boat goo drips, tearing hair off my forearms bonded by epoxy,
running wire through places a short troll would ignore, spending two
days on the internet/phone locating 25 bucks of 3 1/2 inch 1/4x20 PH MS
in 316 phillips head, and then doing it again because I just screwed it
up. I think I need a beer. Now where was that opener........? Humm, the
side cutters will do.


If one epoxies short sections of laminated frame to the tops
of beer bottles, this makes non-twist-off caps into ones
that are easily opened by hand.

One can also use a side grinder. Adds fiber.

DSK