Skip,
There is a lot of market pressure on Honda and most of it is illegal
competition from China. (Copies) The Chinese machines may work perfectly,
but many do not, as thier QC is almost non-existant. The bigger problem is
that most of the resellers are not prepared to give either warranttee or
after sales service, because they do not order or stock spare parts. You can
save money, but before you buy you should make certain about parts and
service availability first.
Steve

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
oups.com...
This thread's reappearance, and Larry's story about his genset in his
workvan reminds me that we're about to buy a 2000W honda as our backup
and shoreside work genset.

However, it appears that Kipor either OEMs the Honda EU gensets, or
someone else does for both of them, as I can see literally no
difference between them other than color - shape, buttons, outlets,
specs, you name it.

As Kipor makes a line of gensets that would do Northern Tool or Harbor
Freight proud, I am guessing that they're the maker.

So, has anyone had any experience with them? The bigger question,
really, is what about warranty? I'm assuming it would be easier to get
a Honda warranty exercised in the wild, but if it's like buying an
extended warranty on a major appliance (not worth it, cuz they never
break, statistically), perhaps it's of no moment.

So, the second question; among the Honda 1000 or 2000 owners, who's had
a warranty claim?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, with limber holes resolved and on to windlass installation and
plumbing heads

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing,
messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Skip,
There is a lot of market pressure on Honda and most of it is illegal
competition from China. (Copies) The Chinese machines may work perfectly,
but many do not, as thier QC is almost non-existant. The bigger problem is
that most of the resellers are not prepared to give either warranttee or
after sales service, because they do not order or stock spare parts. You
can save money, but before you buy you should make certain about parts and
service availability first.
Steve

Certainly here in the UK, Chinese 2 stroke 220v 700w gennys can be purchased
for under UKP50 (around $80?) with 12 months warranty and seem very
reliable. 2200w cost just under UKP 100. At those prices, a new genny is
often going to cost less than spare parts for a more expensive make so it
becomes just another throw away item. Not many people I know are willing to
spend money on Hondas.

Graham.

In article , Graham
Frankland wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Skip,
There is a lot of market pressure on Honda and most of it is illegal
competition from China. (Copies) The Chinese machines may work perfectly,
but many do not, as thier QC is almost non-existant. The bigger problem is
that most of the resellers are not prepared to give either warranttee or
after sales service, because they do not order or stock spare parts. You
can save money, but before you buy you should make certain about parts and
service availability first.
Steve

Certainly here in the UK, Chinese 2 stroke 220v 700w gennys can be purchased
for under UKP50 (around $80?) with 12 months warranty and seem very
reliable. 2200w cost just under UKP 100. At those prices, a new genny is
often going to cost less than spare parts for a more expensive make so it
becomes just another throw away item. Not many people I know are willing to
spend money on Hondas.

Yeah, but how far from a dealer do they venture?

I had this sort of duscussion a few years ago with a supplier of
upmarket computer gear. A server had stopped because one out of 3
cooling fans had died, and the sensor in the fan had sent a shutdown
signal to the system. When I bitched to the service people, they
pointed out that they offered a max of 24 hours response time and
carried a full range of spares.

I asked tham how they proposed getting their service tech to my
icebreaker down in the Southern Ocean. Dead silence.

What I wanted was something built so well that it didn't *need* a
service call.

On point, I recently bought a Honda 2HP 4 stroke o/board. It was
probably the dearest o/b I coulda got in the power range but I figure
it's worth it. Ditto for gensets.

Oh yeah, I have a pile, maybe 12, Honda gensets at work. They *always*
work right down to -30C temperatures. My advice is, pay the money.

PDW

You ever notice that China and Crap start with the same letter? That's not
the only thing they have in common...

Brian D


"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Skip,
There is a lot of market pressure on Honda and most of it is illegal
competition from China. (Copies) The Chinese machines may work perfectly,
but many do not, as thier QC is almost non-existant. The bigger problem is
that most of the resellers are not prepared to give either warranttee or
after sales service, because they do not order or stock spare parts. You
can save money, but before you buy you should make certain about parts and
service availability first.
Steve

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
oups.com...
This thread's reappearance, and Larry's story about his genset in his
workvan reminds me that we're about to buy a 2000W honda as our backup
and shoreside work genset.

However, it appears that Kipor either OEMs the Honda EU gensets, or
someone else does for both of them, as I can see literally no
difference between them other than color - shape, buttons, outlets,
specs, you name it.

As Kipor makes a line of gensets that would do Northern Tool or Harbor
Freight proud, I am guessing that they're the maker.

So, has anyone had any experience with them? The bigger question,
really, is what about warranty? I'm assuming it would be easier to get
a Honda warranty exercised in the wild, but if it's like buying an
extended warranty on a major appliance (not worth it, cuz they never
break, statistically), perhaps it's of no moment.

So, the second question; among the Honda 1000 or 2000 owners, who's had
a warranty claim?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, with limber holes resolved and on to windlass installation and
plumbing heads

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing,
messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Brian,
As I stated before, the current QC in China is not very good, but those boys
scare the hell out of me. I went to the Chinese Industrial Fair in Canton
last year. It is run by the state, not publicly financed. It is policed by
the Army, not contracted security folks and EVERYBODY is having to attend
ISO 9000 classes. The problem we associate with Chinese gear is at least 50%
the problem of the quick buck reseller that has no intent of follow-on
customer service. The equipment is EXCELLENT for the price and spares ARE
available in China. If you find a reseller that is serious about service, it
is hard to go wrong. You can buy two for the price of one from the
competition. Now, here's the scary bit, they are making money at those
prices. They are not dumping!
Steve

"Brian D" wrote in message
...

You ever notice that China and Crap start with the same letter? That's
not the only thing they have in common...

Brian D


"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Skip,
There is a lot of market pressure on Honda and most of it is illegal
competition from China. (Copies) The Chinese machines may work perfectly,
but many do not, as thier QC is almost non-existant. The bigger problem
is that most of the resellers are not prepared to give either warranttee
or after sales service, because they do not order or stock spare parts.
You can save money, but before you buy you should make certain about
parts and service availability first.
Steve

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
oups.com...
This thread's reappearance, and Larry's story about his genset in his
workvan reminds me that we're about to buy a 2000W honda as our backup
and shoreside work genset.

However, it appears that Kipor either OEMs the Honda EU gensets, or
someone else does for both of them, as I can see literally no
difference between them other than color - shape, buttons, outlets,
specs, you name it.

As Kipor makes a line of gensets that would do Northern Tool or Harbor
Freight proud, I am guessing that they're the maker.

So, has anyone had any experience with them? The bigger question,
really, is what about warranty? I'm assuming it would be easier to get
a Honda warranty exercised in the wild, but if it's like buying an
extended warranty on a major appliance (not worth it, cuz they never
break, statistically), perhaps it's of no moment.

So, the second question; among the Honda 1000 or 2000 owners, who's had
a warranty claim?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, with limber holes resolved and on to windlass installation and
plumbing heads

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing,
messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...

Brian,
As I stated before, the current QC in China is not very good, but those
boys scare the hell out of me. I went to the Chinese Industrial Fair in
Canton last year. It is run by the state, not publicly financed. It is
policed by the Army, not contracted security folks and EVERYBODY is having
to attend ISO 9000 classes. The problem we associate with Chinese gear is
at least 50% the problem of the quick buck reseller that has no intent of
follow-on customer service. The equipment is EXCELLENT for the price and
spares ARE available in China. If you find a reseller that is serious
about service, it is hard to go wrong. You can buy two for the price of
one from the competition. Now, here's the scary bit, they are making money
at those prices. They are not dumping!
Steve


Somewhere I recently read that China is entering the automobile design and
manufacturing business.
It will be interesting to witness how meeting export emission and myriad
safety standard regulations are met. My limited experience with doing
business in China is that they are focused on exporting products to generate
revenue rather than servicing a huge internal market.

RCE