Small, cheap diesel?
 

Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or
"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

Lloyd

Small, cheap diesel?
 

"Lloyd Sumpter" ) writes:
Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or
"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

why diesel?

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lsumpter writes:
Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine?

ag384 wrote:
why diesel?

And why inboard???
One of the advantages of having a flat bottom is shallow draft. But an
inboard defeats the advantage. How's about a nice little four cycle
outboard?

Rick

Small, cheap diesel?
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:50:50 +0000, PhantMa wrote:

lsumpter writes:
Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine?

ag384 wrote:
why diesel?

And why inboard???
One of the advantages of having a flat bottom is shallow draft. But an inboard
defeats the advantage. How's about a nice little four cycle outboard?

Rick

I design and build my own boats because I want them to turn out the way I WANT,
not the way "most people" want. True, for performance, reliability, weight, etc.
an outboard would be better. In fact, I have one. Goes real nice, sounds like:
"WAAAAAAAAAA!!!" But THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" as I sit
behind the wood wheel and watch the scenery go by. I happen to like the smell of
diesel over the smell of 2-stroke oil. I chose flat-bottom because it's easy and
cheap, not for shallow draft. I still might put some Vee in it, I donno...

http://www.oldengineshed.com/waves/listersl.wav

Understand the concept?

Lloyd Sumpter

Small, cheap diesel?
 

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I design and build my own boats because I want them to turn out the way I
WANT,
not the way "most people" want. True, for performance, reliability,
weight, etc.
an outboard would be better. In fact, I have one. Goes real nice, sounds
like:
"WAAAAAAAAAA!!!" But THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" as I
sit
behind the wood wheel and watch the scenery go by. I happen to like the
smell of
diesel over the smell of 2-stroke oil. I chose flat-bottom because it's
easy and
cheap, not for shallow draft. I still might put some Vee in it, I donno...

:-) How about a Universal diesel. Never owned one but they seem like a
nice simple unit.

http://www.marinedieseldirect.com/un...fications.html

mark

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Lloyd,
Westerbeke used to do the cutest little 7hp diesel. THey may still do it, for
all I know.
Steve

Small, cheap diesel?
 

But he did say cheap ....

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Lloyd,
Westerbeke used to do the cutest little 7hp diesel. THey may still do it,
for
all I know.
Steve

Small, cheap diesel?
 

I remember old gasoline inboards that went "pocketa, pocketa, pocketa".
What you want is an old low compression, low rpm inboard engine - gas
or diesel. If you're really keen on cheap, then a home built propane powered
steam inboard like the one they faked on the African Queen will provide
the "poketa pocketa pocketa". Someone who posted here said the African
Queen had a gasoline engine in the film.


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How about E-Bay?

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:50:50 +0000, PhantMa wrote:

lsumpter writes:
Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine?

ag384 wrote:
why diesel?

And why inboard???
One of the advantages of having a flat bottom is shallow draft. But an
inboard
defeats the advantage. How's about a nice little four cycle outboard?

Rick

I design and build my own boats because I want them to turn out the way I
WANT,
not the way "most people" want. True, for performance, reliability,
weight, etc.
an outboard would be better. In fact, I have one. Goes real nice, sounds
like:
"WAAAAAAAAAA!!!" But THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" as I
sit
behind the wood wheel and watch the scenery go by. I happen to like the
smell of
diesel over the smell of 2-stroke oil. I chose flat-bottom because it's
easy and
cheap, not for shallow draft. I still might put some Vee in it, I donno...

http://www.oldengineshed.com/waves/listersl.wav

Understand the concept?

Lloyd Sumpter

Small, cheap diesel?
 

What engines do those diesel DC gensets use? I know they're pretty small,
just don't know who makes them.

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or
"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

Lloyd

Small, cheap diesel?
 

PhantMan wrote:
And why inboard???

lsumpter wrote:
THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa"
http://www.oldengineshed.com/waves/listersl.wav
Understand the concept?

oh yeah! Neato! Sounds almost like something I saw at the Wooden Boat
Festival in Madisonville, LA (the guy has it there every year giving
rides to passers by on the bulkhead). His is a long narrow cypress
jon boat lookin' thing but it's powered by an antique miniature steam
engine. Sounds like your wave file though. Has a whirly centrifical
governor looking gizmo on top and shiny brass parts all over it
including valves and the flywheel. And it runs either direction for
forward or reverse.
Rick

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Dave Flew says:

But he did say cheap ....

Cheap is a variable, as I have discovered. ;-)
My definition of cheap wouldn't allow for the westerbeke, to be sure, but for
some folks it's a drop in the bucket.
I work on the basis that if it's right for the job, it will somehow be
afforded.
Can't see the Westie making that "pocketa pocketa" sound much, though.....

Steve

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Thanks Llloyd. The sound brightened a winter moning.

surfnturf


"
http://www.oldengineshed.com/waves/listersl.wav

Understand the concept?

Lloyd Sumpter

Small, cheap diesel?
 

I got a 13hp Kubota off a portable lightplant on which the generator has
seized a bearing, bought the whole unit for $500. Made a small utility
trailer out of the trailer it sat on and the engine, radiator etc are all
one unit. Plan one putting it in a 28' Launch I'm gonna build one of these
days....
Check around heavy industrial areas. Construction companies use these a lot.
You might find one in their lay-down yard.
Charles E.

Small, cheap diesel?
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:22:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

But THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" as I sit


Diesel engines smell.

"pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" ....hmmmmm.....Thurber anyone?
************************************************** ** sorry

..........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Spike....Spike? Hello?

Small, cheap diesel?
 

The Changfa is a small diesel made in China.

Comes in 9hp and is german designed. One nice thing about it is that it has
a water cooled head.

Sells for around $600 in th e US.

http://www.utterpower.com/changfa.htm

Paul

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or
"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

Lloyd

Small, cheap diesel?
 

From my experience, the minimum price of a Westerbeke part is about ten bucks.

David Flew wrote:

But he did say cheap ....

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Lloyd,
Westerbeke used to do the cutest little 7hp diesel. THey may still do it,
for
all I know.
Steve

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Jim Conlin ) writes:
From my experience, the minimum price of a Westerbeke part is about ten bucks.

do they make an engine with less than, say, 20 parts?

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search ebay for marine engines
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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:50:50 +0000, PhantMa wrote:

lsumpter writes:
Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine?

ag384 wrote:
why diesel?

And why inboard???
One of the advantages of having a flat bottom is shallow draft. But an
inboard
defeats the advantage. How's about a nice little four cycle outboard?

Rick

I design and build my own boats because I want them to turn out the way I
WANT,
not the way "most people" want. True, for performance, reliability,
weight, etc.
an outboard would be better. In fact, I have one. Goes real nice, sounds
like:
"WAAAAAAAAAA!!!" But THIS boat I want to go "pooketa-pooketa-pooketa" as I
sit
behind the wood wheel and watch the scenery go by. I happen to like the
smell of
diesel over the smell of 2-stroke oil. I chose flat-bottom because it's
easy and
cheap, not for shallow draft. I still might put some Vee in it, I donno...

http://www.oldengineshed.com/waves/listersl.wav

Understand the concept?

Lloyd Sumpter

Small, cheap diesel?
 

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message .. .

Hi,



Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel

suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or

"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

Yanmar make new industrial engines, both air cooled & water cooled.
Nice units, run at ~1800 rpm. Gearbox might be a problem, I don't
know.

They used to make little air cooled marine diesels complete with F-N-R
box. I have one under my bench for exactly the reason you want one :-)
Was too good to pass up; all I need is more time to build the boat.

Peter Wiley

Small, cheap diesel?
 

hi

how about a diesel cement mixer, just the job for what u want as long as
air-cooled is ok.

fragged

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or
"stationary"...? Any thoughts?

Lloyd

Small, cheap diesel?
 

look for boatyard or marina auctions i pickid up an old ragtop with a
20hp. tranny,shaft all for 200.

Small, cheap diesel?
 

ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote in message ...
Lloyd,
Westerbeke used to do the cutest little 7hp diesel. THey may still do it, for
all I know.
Steve


I think he wants a Lister or similar. I understand the feeling: I had a
Victor Coventry single cylinder, 9 HP at 900 rpm, idle at 150 rpm: you could
almost count the firing. Big monster flywheel, hand start, reliable.
I should never have sold it.
I am checking eBay regularly for old Listers but rarely see them.
I want one too just to build a boat around, love those engines.

Jacques
http://boatplans-online.com

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Jacques ) writes:

I think he wants a Lister or similar. I understand the feeling: I had a
Victor Coventry single cylinder, 9 HP at 900 rpm, idle at 150 rpm: you could
almost count the firing. Big monster flywheel, hand start, reliable.

the Lunenburg make-and-break was a one-lunger. pretty sure it was
gasoline. there may be some still around. too bad for LS they'd be found
on the east coast.
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Jacques wrote:
ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote in message ...

Lloyd,
Westerbeke used to do the cutest little 7hp diesel. THey may still do it, for
all I know.
Steve



I think he wants a Lister or similar. I understand the feeling: I had a
Victor Coventry single cylinder, 9 HP at 900 rpm, idle at 150 rpm: you could
almost count the firing. Big monster flywheel, hand start, reliable.
I should never have sold it.
I am checking eBay regularly for old Listers but rarely see them.
I want one too just to build a boat around, love those engines.

Jacques
http://boatplans-online.com

Does it have to be diesel? I have a 5 hp hercules gas, throttle
governed, hopper cooled engine of early 1920's vintage. It weighs
about650 lbs, but it goes Chunka......chunka.....chunka.....at about
650-700 rpm.

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Small, cheap diesel?
 

Sounds like an old John Deere to me! I have a model "M" that sounds even
better than the WAV. Mine's gas but JD Made diesel two cylinders as well.
Coolest part is when you kill the engine it always gives a mighty BANG as
its last act of defiance. That great big flywheel just keeps on spinning.

Fred


"alex" wrote in message
...
look for boatyard or marina auctions i pickid up an old ragtop with a
20hp. tranny,shaft all for 200.

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Small, cheap diesel?
 

you might try an old Easthope one lunger. like some of the others it will
burn gas, oil, diesel, castor oil, and i am not sure but i think it might
even burn water once started ;-)

they are a little hard to find these days but were great old engines

brian

Small, cheap diesel?
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:37:06 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or "stationary"...? Any
thoughts?

Lloyd

Thanks to all who replied! It's great to know others share my dreams of
designs based on feel and sound rather than performance.

But Reality has set in: Even if I use a Briggs&Stratton, I'll be fracturing many
laws here in Canada. I'd need a Hull Ident No, Conformity Plate (Conform? not
likely!), Capacity plate, and since it's an inboard, a fire extinguisher,
approved inboard fuel tank, explosion-proof electrics (Yeah - how do you
eliminate the spark on a B&S magneto?). Geez, the fees alone would cost me more
than the boat!

Ahhh....for those bygone days when the Gov't wasn't "taking care" of you...My
dad had a wooden boat (10ft?) with a 1 1/2hp Lawson (Kinda like a B&S), The
engine outlasted the boat, and neither one blew up, despite not having any HIN,
plates, or approvals.

But those old Listers (and the Indian clones, the Listeroids) sure look and
sound nice! (BTW, the sound bite was a 1-cyl 6hp Lister)

Lloyd - Off to build a 1 1/2 Sheet fishing pram...

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Hey Lloyd,

If you want it to sound just like that, you could always hide and
electric drive (like the gondolas at Venice-Las Vegas) and also hide an
MP3 player with an amp and a couple of huge speakers in the "engine box".

I just could not pass up the chance to be a smart-ass.
thanks
Matt Colie

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:37:06 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Hi,

Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel
suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or "stationary"...? Any
thoughts?

Lloyd


Thanks to all who replied! It's great to know others share my dreams of
designs based on feel and sound rather than performance.

But Reality has set in: Even if I use a Briggs&Stratton, I'll be fracturing many
laws here in Canada. I'd need a Hull Ident No, Conformity Plate (Conform? not
likely!), Capacity plate, and since it's an inboard, a fire extinguisher,
approved inboard fuel tank, explosion-proof electrics (Yeah - how do you
eliminate the spark on a B&S magneto?). Geez, the fees alone would cost me more
than the boat!

Ahhh....for those bygone days when the Gov't wasn't "taking care" of you...My
dad had a wooden boat (10ft?) with a 1 1/2hp Lawson (Kinda like a B&S), The
engine outlasted the boat, and neither one blew up, despite not having any HIN,
plates, or approvals.

But those old Listers (and the Indian clones, the Listeroids) sure look and
sound nice! (BTW, the sound bite was a 1-cyl 6hp Lister)

Lloyd - Off to build a 1 1/2 Sheet fishing pram...

Small, cheap diesel?
 

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:37:06 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:



Hi,



Any suggestions on where I might look for an old, cheap, 5-10hp diesel

suitable for an inboard engine? Maybe a tractor engine, or "stationary"...? Any

thoughts?



Lloyd



Thanks to all who replied! It's great to know others share my dreams of

designs based on feel and sound rather than performance.



But Reality has set in: Even if I use a Briggs&Stratton, I'll be fracturing many

laws here in Canada. I'd need a Hull Ident No, Conformity Plate (Conform? not

likely!), Capacity plate, and since it's an inboard, a fire extinguisher,

approved inboard fuel tank, explosion-proof electrics (Yeah - how do you

eliminate the spark on a B&S magneto?). Geez, the fees alone would cost me more

than the boat!

Screw them, build it anyway and tell them it's an old boat that
predates their requirements if you ever get asked.

Peter Wiley

Small, cheap diesel?
 

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:39:04 +0000, Matt Colie wrote:

Hey Lloyd,

If you want it to sound just like that, you could always hide and electric drive
(like the gondolas at Venice-Las Vegas) and also hide an MP3 player with an amp
and a couple of huge speakers in the "engine box".

I just could not pass up the chance to be a smart-ass. thanks
Matt Colie


My Lady already beat you to it weeks ago - she suggested I use my existing Tin
Boat with the 9.9 ob and get a CD that went pooketa-pooketa-pooketa... :)

Lloyd

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Can anyone point to marine conversions / parts / info for small
automotive diesels such as VW or Peugot??

--
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Small, cheap diesel?
 

I've done an engine aero conversion, and there is more to it than
meets the eye, so I am leery.
But thinking on your suggestion, we are talking cooling and we are
talking forward/reverse. Think you could handle those?
If you can, VW would be very, very promising.
Or howz about a Mercedes?

Brian W

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:33:06 -0500, Terry King
wrote:

Can anyone point to marine conversions / parts / info for small
automotive diesels such as VW or Peugot??

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Hi Brian,

I've done conversions on automobile V-8's and run them for years..

I have a 350 GM in the same boat I built in 1978 (25th anniversary last
Summer on Lake Champlain).

The 'conventional' conversion adds exhaust manifolds, water
pump/plumbing, flame arrester, drive train solution, and motor mounts.

Since it's been so long since I've done one, and I'm interested in 1 or 2
small diesels for a slower bigger boat, I wonder what people here have
done.

In article ,
says...
I've done an engine aero conversion, and there is more to it than
meets the eye, so I am leery.
But thinking on your suggestion, we are talking cooling and we are
talking forward/reverse. Think you could handle those?
If you can, VW would be very, very promising.
Or howz about a Mercedes?
--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont

The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

Small, cheap diesel?
 

I am currently repowering a 28' Fiberform. Both of the OMC 302's and
outdrives were junked and the transom holes filled.

A 6.5L diesel from a Suburban is being installed with a single Arneson
surface drive.

I should have it running in a couple more weeks, just waiting for
fabrication of the custom exhaust risers to the Detriot allison turbo.

Paul

"Terry King" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Brian,

I've done conversions on automobile V-8's and run them for years..

I have a 350 GM in the same boat I built in 1978 (25th anniversary last
Summer on Lake Champlain).

The 'conventional' conversion adds exhaust manifolds, water
pump/plumbing, flame arrester, drive train solution, and motor mounts.

Since it's been so long since I've done one, and I'm interested in 1 or 2
small diesels for a slower bigger boat, I wonder what people here have
done.

In article ,
says...
I've done an engine aero conversion, and there is more to it than
meets the eye, so I am leery.
But thinking on your suggestion, we are talking cooling and we are
talking forward/reverse. Think you could handle those?
If you can, VW would be very, very promising.
Or howz about a Mercedes?
--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont

The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

Small, cheap diesel?
 

I'm building a 22" Sisu lobsterboat with the VW diesel. 53hp
conversion is by a Canadian company Pathfinder Marine. The watercooled
manifold/heat exchanger is made by an english company and the adapter
to fit engine to a hurth or borg warner transmission can be purchased
from Pathfinder. There are used ones around and the engine is the same
as the automotive. they have a larger aluminum oilpan with a longer
pickup tube on the marinized as well. Most are setup with wet exhaust
but I put piping for keel cooled which is better for winter in Maine.
There were a number of yachts which used these for aux power and
they've been around for awhile. The VW has an aluminum head so its not
an engine you ever want to let overheat. Otherwise I think it will be
a very reliable engine which won't be costly to maintain.


Terry King wrote in message ...
Hi Brian,

I've done conversions on automobile V-8's and run them for years..

I have a 350 GM in the same boat I built in 1978 (25th anniversary last
Summer on Lake Champlain).

The 'conventional' conversion adds exhaust manifolds, water
pump/plumbing, flame arrester, drive train solution, and motor mounts.

Since it's been so long since I've done one, and I'm interested in 1 or 2
small diesels for a slower bigger boat, I wonder what people here have
done.

In article ,
says...
I've done an engine aero conversion, and there is more to it than
meets the eye, so I am leery.
But thinking on your suggestion, we are talking cooling and we are
talking forward/reverse. Think you could handle those?
If you can, VW would be very, very promising.
Or howz about a Mercedes?

Small, cheap diesel?
 

Hi Paul,

That's quite a project. I've only seen the surface drive units on high-
powered high-speed boats. Can you point to any photos (maybe yours?) of
a more typical boat installation?

How are you doing reverse? What kind of overall ratio to the prop, and
what size/pitch prop??

I am currently repowering a 28' Fiberform.
A 6.5L diesel from a Suburban is being installed with a single Arneson
surface drive.

--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont

The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

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"Paul Winchester" wrote in message
news:fuQ2c.138061$4o.178972@attbi_s52...
A 6.5L diesel from a Suburban is being installed with a single Arneson
surface drive.

What year was the 6.5 and was it mechanical injection (i.e. no computer)? I
wanted to convert my suburban from gas to diesel and am looking for which
years were mechanically injected... Also post back with how you make out
there are quite a few readers here that wanted to do the same project. You
are the pioneer... Thanks

mark

Small, cheap diesel?
 

I am using a standard GM marine bellhousing and shaft coupler mounted to a
manual transmission flywheel. Attached to that is a volvo transmission to
give me a 2:1 reduction and forword-nuetral-reverse gears. I had a constant
velolcity joint made from 2 universal joints that connects between the trans
and drive to take up the engine vibration and slight angle change.The
exhaust manifolds were right out of the OSCO catalog and I am having custom
risers made to connect them to the turbo.

My prop is 17X18" so I may need to get it recupped after I see how it
performs.

This project is a bit of an experiment for me. I am a little concerned about
the ability of the volvo tran to take the power. I was told this trans was
from a 160hp TAM series. With the added turbo I hope to get 175-200hp out of
the 6.5l.

I have not taken any pictures yet, but I will try to get some this weekend.

Here is a nice ASD equipped pilot boat
http://www.pacificdriveline.co.nz/ar...face_drive.htm

This site features several applications using ASD's
http://www.h-ri.com/ASD_Photos/ASD_photos.html


"Terry King" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Paul,

That's quite a project. I've only seen the surface drive units on high-
powered high-speed boats. Can you point to any photos (maybe yours?) of
a more typical boat installation?

How are you doing reverse? What kind of overall ratio to the prop, and
what size/pitch prop??

I am currently repowering a 28' Fiberform.
A 6.5L diesel from a Suburban is being installed with a single Arneson
surface drive.

--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont

The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?