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I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener),
and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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look under "plastics" in the Yellow Pages
DREAMINOFWATER ) writes: I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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See http://www.westsystem.com/.../dealer...ational/canada...
DREAMINOFWATER wrote: I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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Also http://www.noahsmarine.com/
Jim Conlin wrote: See http://www.westsystem.com/.../dealer...ational/canada... DREAMINOFWATER wrote: I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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Online.... The best price for you dollar can be found at
http://www.epoxyproducts.com/1_marineresins.html . The next best price is www.Raka.com I have used both and both are quality products. Kevin DREAMINOFWATER wrote in message . .. I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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I get good 1:1 epoxy at Smithcraft on Lakeshore Blvd. West here in
Toronto. They have all kinds of fiberglass as well, and all necessary "extras". West System is fine, but expensive by comparison. Unless you are working indoors, it's too cold to glass until spring. And I wouldn't glass indoors, as the fumes are pretty strong! R. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:47:56 GMT, DREAMINOFWATER wrote: I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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"rhys" wrote in message
... I get good 1:1 epoxy at Smithcraft on Lakeshore Blvd. West here in Toronto. They have all kinds of fiberglass as well, and all necessary "extras". West System is fine, but expensive by comparison. Unless you are working indoors, it's too cold to glass until spring. And I wouldn't glass indoors, as the fumes are pretty strong! Fumes? from epoxy? Meindert |
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"Meindert Sprang" ) writes:
Fumes? from epoxy? California has environmental laws which prohibit releasing fumes from curing resins into the atmosphere. Boat shops have to have elaborate ventilation systems. Some have left the state. Someone has developed a dry vacuum bagging process to contain the fumes from curing resins. The hull is vacuum bagged dry and the resin is pumped in so it is never in contact with the atmosphere. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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I second the vote for Noah's - they have an excellent selection of different
epoxies, fibreglass, fillers, and good product knowledge. I also get epoxy from a more local supplier (to me) - Welbeck Sawmill - http://www.welbecksawmill.com They're not open on Sunday, they don't have a good selection of fibreglass, and the West System epoxy they carry is more expensive. But it's a lot shorter drive for me. If you're closer to London, Heritage Marine also carries epoxy. -- Andrew Butchart http://www.floatingbear.ca "DREAMINOFWATER" wrote in message ... I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:35:29 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote: Fumes? from epoxy? Fumes from the acetone, actually, needed for the inevitable clean-up. At least in my somewhat sloppy case. I really need to stop replacing wet core with new encapsulated marine plywood FROM BELOW. Eeee-yuck... R. |
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A bit off target.
Epoxy fumes are negligible and not, to my knowledge, affected by any air quality regulations in California or elsewhere. Polyester amd vinylester resins, when used in open molds, give off significant amounts of styrene vapors. This is the distinctive smell of these resins. Air quality regulations in California and more broadly are greatly reducing permissible levels of emission of styrene and other solvents for all but the very smallest commercial boat builders. Some quality-oriented builders (e.g., Tartan) have switched to epoxies, while others are switching to a process called infusion. In a typical infusion process, the reinforcement materials are laid up dry in an open mold, then covered with a vacuum bag. In a small part, a vacuum is drawn from one end of the part while catalyzed resin is supplied, at atmospheric pressure, to the other end. The resin is drawn across the part, wetting out the reinforcements. When the part is fully infused, the resin supply is closed, and the vacuum compacts the layup for the duration of the cure. A byproduct of this method is that, once the process is debugged, quality levels are improved over the wet-layup process, with fewer boids and higher glass-resin ratios. Production boatbuilders, particularly those whose price-quality position can't justify the benefits of epoxy, really have no choice but to go this way. For one-off amateur builders, I've only heard of infusion being used by a few ambitious multihullers. "William R. Watt" wrote: "Meindert Sprang" ) writes: Fumes? from epoxy? California has environmental laws which prohibit releasing fumes from curing resins into the atmosphere. Boat shops have to have elaborate ventilation systems. Some have left the state. Someone has developed a dry vacuum bagging process to contain the fumes from curing resins. The hull is vacuum bagged dry and the resin is pumped in so it is never in contact with the atmosphere. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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epoxy in Canada ---- I'm a vendor, but here's some useful info for you folks in Canada Most epoxy curing agents are considered hazmat to ship and difficult to ship from the US to Canada (except by motor freight, but that's big volumes). With these epoxies - we ship to a US address and let the customer carry them across the border. We offer a non-hazmat marine epoxy as well that we can and do ship to Canada via either US mail (add about 1-2 weeks sitting in customers), or UPS. I think UPS comes to your door for custom or tariff fees??? not really certain, you guys certainly know... I think UPS gets pricey when they cross the border. We did ship 50 gallons of the non-hazmat epoxy by motor freight to canada recently. Buyer email subject line back was. "50 gallons in the driveway - no problem!!!!" I can provide anyone with his email address so that they can get details. Bottom line is that in canada, probably better to buy in canada, unless you can pick-up on the US side. One final point - I think ALL the low temp epoxy curing agents are probably 'Haz Mat' Hope this clears up some of the confusion. -- ================================================== ===== PAUL OMAN ----- Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc. Frog Pond Hollow - 48 Wildwood Dr - Pittsfield NH 03263 10-4 Monday-Thur EST 603-435-7199 VISA/MC/Discover http://www.epoxyproducts.com Boating site: http://www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html ================================================== ====== |
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West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are
not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. Meindert Sprang wrote: "rhys" wrote in message ... I get good 1:1 epoxy at Smithcraft on Lakeshore Blvd. West here in Toronto. They have all kinds of fiberglass as well, and all necessary "extras". West System is fine, but expensive by comparison. Unless you are working indoors, it's too cold to glass until spring. And I wouldn't glass indoors, as the fumes are pretty strong! Fumes? from epoxy? Meindert |
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Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net...
West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. What has not been addressed here is the difference between inconvienience and problem... Polyester smells, yes that is an inconvienience. The fumes emitted from curing epoxy although they may not smell, are in many cases dangerous and should be addressed as well as or even more than the smell of polyester curing. I still wear a full "bugface" mask and gloves when using epoxy, and I do not use it in attached areas of my home, at least not on a regular basis. All that being said, I have always been happy with Raka products and prices. Scotty from SmallBoats.com Meindert Sprang wrote: "rhys" wrote in message ... I get good 1:1 epoxy at Smithcraft on Lakeshore Blvd. West here in Toronto. They have all kinds of fiberglass as well, and all necessary "extras". West System is fine, but expensive by comparison. Unless you are working indoors, it's too cold to glass until spring. And I wouldn't glass indoors, as the fumes are pretty strong! Fumes? from epoxy? Meindert |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om... Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net... West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. What has not been addressed here is the difference between inconvienience and problem... Polyester smells, yes that is an inconvienience. The fumes emitted from curing epoxy although they may not smell, are in many cases dangerous and should be addressed as well as or even more than the smell of polyester curing. I still wear a full "bugface" mask and gloves when using epoxy, and I do not use it in attached areas of my home, at least not on a regular basis. As far as I know, epoxy does not produce dangerous fumes. I remember a story in this newsgroup about an environmental inspector, visiting a boatyard. The man was eager to inspect the place and and write a nasty report. He then learned the yard used epoxy only, and went away immediately, very dissapointed. Meindert |
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the MAS Epoxy folks just got a deal to sell their
products through Boaters World. their products are great for laminating - markedly better wet-out than most others and the result is much less brittle than most, especially WEST. -mo |
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net... West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. What has not been addressed here is the difference between inconvienience and problem... Polyester smells, yes that is an inconvienience. The fumes emitted from curing epoxy although they may not smell, are in many cases dangerous and should be addressed as well as or even more than the smell of polyester curing. I still wear a full "bugface" mask and gloves when using epoxy, and I do not use it in attached areas of my home, at least not on a regular basis. As far as I know, epoxy does not produce dangerous fumes. I remember a story in this newsgroup about an environmental inspector, visiting a boatyard. The man was eager to inspect the place and and write a nasty report. He then learned the yard used epoxy only, and went away immediately, very dissapointed. Meindert I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Come on Paul Oman, Jaques, et al... You have been here in this group for years, selling glues, answering carefully targeted questions, and also sending me emails about your products. Where the hell are you now, tell these guys what is more dangerous, polyester or epoxy. You are an epoxy dealer, come on in on this one and give us some facts, that's what you do isn't it? Where is Jaques, where is Kern (of course he has been gone for a while) but wtf are the epoxy sellers on this soooooo important thread? Scotty Ingersoll, SmallBoats.com... |
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I'm affiliated with Jacques but I don't speak for him. I don't sell
epoxy either but here's what I can tell you: Polyester is some nasty stuff to work with. Lots of fumes, more tempermental to improper mixing ratios, etc. 2-part marine epoxy is also a superior product as far as protecting your boat. Like any glue product, if you sniff the fumes long enough, you'll get a headache. System Three offers some excellent information in their tech data. You have to register to download the .pdfs though. I've been registered with them for some time and don't get spammed. I'm partial to their products because of the excellent information and quick response to inquiries. Again, I'm not a retailer of thier products, I'm just passing along my experience. I have heard of some people developing sensitivety. I'm no expert, but the info I've read from people with this problem says spend the extra couple of bucks for System Three, West, or a few others of the estblished brands. They seem to have less of an occurance of reaction. Wearing gloves and barrier cream (found at your local autoparts store) has also helped those who are afflicted. I used barrier cream when I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force. It did a great job protecting my skin from jet fuels and hydraulic fluid. I imagine it'll do fine with epoxy. That's all the info I know. Hope this helps. Matt Langenfeld JEM Watercraft http://jem.e-boat.net/ Backyard Renegade wrote: "Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ... "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message .com... Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net... West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. What has not been addressed here is the difference between inconvienience and problem... Polyester smells, yes that is an inconvienience. The fumes emitted from curing epoxy although they may not smell, are in many cases dangerous and should be addressed as well as or even more than the smell of polyester curing. I still wear a full "bugface" mask and gloves when using epoxy, and I do not use it in attached areas of my home, at least not on a regular basis. As far as I know, epoxy does not produce dangerous fumes. I remember a story in this newsgroup about an environmental inspector, visiting a boatyard. The man was eager to inspect the place and and write a nasty report. He then learned the yard used epoxy only, and went away immediately, very dissapointed. Meindert I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Come on Paul Oman, Jaques, et al... You have been here in this group for years, selling glues, answering carefully targeted questions, and also sending me emails about your products. Where the hell are you now, tell these guys what is more dangerous, polyester or epoxy. You are an epoxy dealer, come on in on this one and give us some facts, that's what you do isn't it? Where is Jaques, where is Kern (of course he has been gone for a while) but wtf are the epoxy sellers on this soooooo important thread? Scotty Ingersoll, SmallBoats.com... |
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Backyard Renegade wrote:
"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ... "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net... West, Raka. System Three, E-poxy..all these are 2-part epoxies and are not polyester. Not fumes. There is a smell but no worse than normal glue. What has not been addressed here is the difference between inconvienience and problem... Polyester smells, yes that is an inconvienience. The fumes emitted from curing epoxy although they may not smell, are in many cases dangerous and should be addressed as well as or even more than the smell of polyester curing. I still wear a full "bugface" mask and gloves when using epoxy, and I do not use it in attached areas of my home, at least not on a regular basis. As far as I know, epoxy does not produce dangerous fumes. I remember a story in this newsgroup about an environmental inspector, visiting a boatyard. The man was eager to inspect the place and and write a nasty report. He then learned the yard used epoxy only, and went away immediately, very dissapointed. Meindert I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Come on Paul Oman, Jaques, et al... You have been here in this group for years, selling glues, answering carefully targeted questions, and also sending me emails about your products. Where the hell are you now, tell these guys what is more dangerous, polyester or epoxy. Scotty Ingersoll, SmallBoats.com... I'm here Scotty...... Paul Oman from Progressive Epoxy Polymers ---- a few points/background - note that 'hazmat' (which most, but not all, epoxy curing agents are, is hazmat for shipping). All the curing agents are strong chemicals (haven't heard much about the 'evils' of the part a resin) - that some people build up a contact reaction - not good! Most epoxies are solvent free, meaning 0% VOC (volatile organic compounds). Breathing doesn't seem to be problem, only direct skin contact. On the other hand, polyester (fiberglass) resins have pretty nasty fumes - which I assume, but do not know, are bad for you. These resins also dissolve foam (unlike epoxies) which strongly suggests solvents. Problem with solvents (besides their own chemistry) is that they penetrate into the skin, probably carrying chemicals from the resins with them too. Sorry, afraid I'm not quite the expert here as you may think. Still they are nasty chemicals and should be handled with respect. Now, I suspect that breathing dust from sanding epoxy, polyester, even wood, might be equally as bad or worse. Of course, there are those people that think going out on the water in any kind of craft is both foolish and risky, and judging from the number of deaths via drowning (vs. deaths from boat building) they are probably right! ================================================== ===== PAUL OMAN ----- Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc. Frog Pond Hollow - 48 Wildwood Dr - Pittsfield NH 03263 |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert |
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Info about possible allergic reactions to epoxy --
From one presumably reliable medical source: http://www.dermnetnz.org/pre/dna.acd/epoxy.html from an epoxy supplier: http://www.prosetepoxy.com/safety/welcome.html and a Materials Safety Data Sheet (PDF) from another: http://www.epoxysystems.com/msds/703.pdf and anecdotal info from a boatbuilding site: http://www.fram.nl/workshop/controll...on/allergy.htm Alex "Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ... "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert |
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Meindert Sprang wrote:
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert Amen, brother! Dow 330, which I've used for years, has no MDAs either. And, it's a really good laminating resin for wetting out glass, carbon, paper, etc. How ever... These types of epoxies may be adversely effected by low temps. Something comes out of solution and the resin looks "grainy". In this condition, resins will not cure (ever?) All easily corrected by warming the resin in a hot water bath until the visual indicators disappear. |
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I've used US Composites stuff for a couple years.
http://www.shopmaninc.com/epoxy.html no complaints, other than I wish the hardener I use was available in No-Blush. I thought the price was better than other sites I checked, I've had prompt service, and been generally satisfied with my dealings with them and the performance of the product I bought. "DREAMINOFWATER" wrote in message ... I live in southern Ontario, bout 1 hour west of Toronto (kitchener), and I was wondering, WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND EPOXY DEALERS HERE????? :) any info would be appreciated. :) |
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Where do you get Dow 330?
System Three, West, Raka, all brands come from major chemical producers. I wonder how hard it is to get the epoxy direct and how much cheaper would it be. I have Epoxy kits on my site but I'm not the distributor. Richard Lamb wrote: Meindert Sprang wrote: "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message .com... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert Amen, brother! Dow 330, which I've used for years, has no MDAs either. And, it's a really good laminating resin for wetting out glass, carbon, paper, etc. How ever... These types of epoxies may be adversely effected by low temps. Something comes out of solution and the resin looks "grainy". In this condition, resins will not cure (ever?) All easily corrected by warming the resin in a hot water bath until the visual indicators disappear. |
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Matt Langenfeld wrote:
Where do you get Dow 330? System Three, West, Raka, all brands come from major chemical producers. I wonder how hard it is to get the epoxy direct and how much cheaper would it be. I have Epoxy kits on my site but I'm not the distributor. --- Paul Oman - being up front - we sell epoxies at www.epoxyproducts.com OK - yes there are just a few chemical producers that sell the basic resins. But folks like WEST, System Three, MAAS, Progressive Epoxy (that's us), don't just repackage the raw epoxies from the chemical giants (we are not re-packagers). We are formulators that take the basic epoxies and 'fix' them to get the properties we want. There are folks just pour the raw materials out of drums and sell them direct at low prices, and yes, they these epoxies can work. I think if you dared call the WEST folks "repackagers" you would probably hear from their lawyers within a few days! Years ago, while living in Houston (in my pre epoxy days) I had a friend that worked at the shell refinery nearby. They were one of the giants making epoxy resin. I recall he tried using some of it from work on a deck with very unfortunate results. cheers - paul |
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Dow DRE 330 is sold in small quantities by Aircraft Spruce
For larget quantities, start with the Dow epoxy site, http://www.dow.com/epoxy/index.htm The Shell line of resins is now known as Resolution . Their site is www.resins.com There's a list of distributors by region. Matt Langenfeld wrote: Where do you get Dow 330? System Three, West, Raka, all brands come from major chemical producers. I wonder how hard it is to get the epoxy direct and how much cheaper would it be. I have Epoxy kits on my site but I'm not the distributor. Richard Lamb wrote: Meindert Sprang wrote: "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message .com... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert Amen, brother! Dow 330, which I've used for years, has no MDAs either. And, it's a really good laminating resin for wetting out glass, carbon, paper, etc. How ever... These types of epoxies may be adversely effected by low temps. Something comes out of solution and the resin looks "grainy". In this condition, resins will not cure (ever?) All easily corrected by warming the resin in a hot water bath until the visual indicators disappear. |
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For some reason, I see the following statement (below) and wonder how many
are missing what the value-add is from the branded epoxy companies. Just because base resins come from major manufacturers doesn't mean everybody's epoxy is the same. Take a look at the MSDS's (safety) and the physical properties tech sheet and you will see that they ARE indeed different from the different companies. Why? It's like saying all aluminum or all steel or all stainless steel is the same because all aluminums use aluminum and all steels use iron. The difference comes from what goes INTO the hardeners. The additions that make a hardener a hardener are what control the final physical properties of the cured epoxy. All epoxies are not the same. OK, I simplified. The truth is that the resins ALSO vary and this impacts the physical properties of the epoxy too. They just are not all the same, end of story. Get the spec sheets, compare to WEST or System Three, then buy whatever brand you want that comes close. Brian http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass (My boat) "Matt Langenfeld" wrote in message link.net... Where do you get Dow 330? System Three, West, Raka, all brands come from major chemical producers. I wonder how hard it is to get the epoxy direct and how much cheaper would it be. I have Epoxy kits on my site but I'm not the distributor. Richard Lamb wrote: Meindert Sprang wrote: "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message .com... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert Amen, brother! Dow 330, which I've used for years, has no MDAs either. And, it's a really good laminating resin for wetting out glass, carbon, paper, etc. How ever... These types of epoxies may be adversely effected by low temps. Something comes out of solution and the resin looks "grainy". In this condition, resins will not cure (ever?) All easily corrected by warming the resin in a hot water bath until the visual indicators disappear. |
WHERE TO FIND EPOXY
Perhaps I should have phrased differetly. I'm not discountig the value
added by distributers. Brian D wrote: For some reason, I see the following statement (below) and wonder how many are missing what the value-add is from the branded epoxy companies. Just because base resins come from major manufacturers doesn't mean everybody's epoxy is the same. Take a look at the MSDS's (safety) and the physical properties tech sheet and you will see that they ARE indeed different from the different companies. Why? It's like saying all aluminum or all steel or all stainless steel is the same because all aluminums use aluminum and all steels use iron. The difference comes from what goes INTO the hardeners. The additions that make a hardener a hardener are what control the final physical properties of the cured epoxy. All epoxies are not the same. OK, I simplified. The truth is that the resins ALSO vary and this impacts the physical properties of the epoxy too. They just are not all the same, end of story. Get the spec sheets, compare to WEST or System Three, then buy whatever brand you want that comes close. Brian http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass (My boat) "Matt Langenfeld" wrote in message hlink.net... Where do you get Dow 330? System Three, West, Raka, all brands come from major chemical producers. I wonder how hard it is to get the epoxy direct and how much cheaper would it be. I have Epoxy kits on my site but I'm not the distributor. Richard Lamb wrote: Meindert Sprang wrote: "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message le.com... I hear lot's of stories... Like them at night before bed. But when it comes to epoxy hardeners, most are extremely hazardous. Read the lables, talk to the people who have developed real sensitivities to the stuff, ask the DEP, ask the shippers, christ, read the F88888' lable... Epoxy fumes are dangerous and many contain carsenogenics (spelling not checked)... Do not use epoxy in areas where unprotected folks will be exposed to the fumes. Epoxy does not contain volatile organic solvents, as opposed to polyester, which containts high amounts of styrene. If you read the MSDS's of epoxy and hardener, you'll see that epoxy products cause problems mainly by skin contact. The 'main route of entry' stated is always skin contact. They all say modest ventilation is enough, except in tight areas. Now read a MSDS of polyester. Compared to epoxy, this "scares the hell out of you". Oh, by the way, West epoxy and hardener (205/105) contain no carcinogenics. Meindert Amen, brother! Dow 330, which I've used for years, has no MDAs either. And, it's a really good laminating resin for wetting out glass, carbon, paper, etc. How ever... These types of epoxies may be adversely effected by low temps. Something comes out of solution and the resin looks "grainy". In this condition, resins will not cure (ever?) All easily corrected by warming the resin in a hot water bath until the visual indicators disappear. |
WHERE TO FIND EPOXY
"Matt Langenfeld" writes: Perhaps I should have phrased differetly. I'm not discountig the value added by distributers. Distributors are well down on the food chain in the epoxy business. There are probably no more than 5, possibly 6, manufacturers of base epoxy resin in the world.(Shell, Dow, & Ciba come to mind). The base resin by itself doesn't even make a good boat anchor. The value add to these base resins comes from those who develop and supply the catalysts to create a system. I have no idea how many of the firms exist on a world wide basis, but the quantity is substantial. (In the US, WEST & Systems3 come to mind) Distribution provides value add by providing time, place and package size value add to the process. As an example, my supplier(distributor) will deliver 500 lb drums of resin and 40 lb pails of hardener on my door step with 24 hour notice at competitive price levels. Without that support, I wouldn't be building a boat. HTH -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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