Has anyone got information about CE certification for boats that are
self built? I understand that it is illegal for new boats in European
- ie. EC or CE or EU or EEC or whatever the latest name in Brussels is
now - waters, unless on a passage through, must have certification.

Obviously it can be obtained after completion, but does it apply to
amateur built boats and who is the authority to talk to.

Regarding the VATon self build, there used to be a Customs & Excise
office in Dover that was pretty helpful but I think they got cut away
with the Air Sea rescue chopper. Anyone know if there are any plain
English speaking VAT offices that could issue a VAT paid certificate
to save carrying around the thousand or so receipts everywhere you go
just to prove that VAT's been paid?

Whilst on the same subject, where does the VAT justification stop and
who, if anybody, checks the receipts to see if they total up to a
boat? I mean the hull and deck and any structural parts are obviously
part of the boat, but what about the sea toilet, electrics, sails,
winches, cushions etc. etc. If you save a bit of money buying second
hand or make your own gear, who is to say how much the value of the
boat should be and therefor how much you should have in VAT receipts?

Hoping for some advice here,


Pete

"Pete" Pete.lNOSPAMAT.tiscali.fr wrote in message
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Has anyone got information about CE certification for boats that are
self built? I understand that it is illegal for new boats in European
- ie. EC or CE or EU or EEC or whatever the latest name in Brussels is
now - waters, unless on a passage through, must have certification.

A bit of info, as I understand it:

- self built boats are o.k., IF you keep them for 5 years before selling
them. I guess the presumption is that if they have lasted that long,
they're probably o.k. for another person.
- if you do a self built boat and try to sell it prior to the 5 years, it
has to be CE certified which is a huge pain. I suspect it wouldn't be worth
it unless the boat is very small and simple or big and costly. The middle
ground is probably where the most difficulties lie.

ls,
winches, cushions etc. etc. If you save a bit of money buying second
hand or make your own gear, who is to say how much the value of the
boat should be and therefor how much you should have in VAT receipts?

I figure it would be as little as possible No sense paying more taxes
than you have to. I doubt some bureaucrat in an office will say "that's not
enough - go and find some more receipts". They probably just don't have a
clue and will accept whatever you present.

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I don't know the rules, but I think I have heard that The CE-cert is
not required for homebuild boats, unless you sell it within the first
(maybe) 5 years.

Peter


"Pete" Pete.lNOSPAMAT.tiscali.fr skrev i en meddelelse
...
Has anyone got information about CE certification for boats that are
self built? I understand that it is illegal for new boats in
European
- ie. EC or CE or EU or EEC or whatever the latest name in Brussels
is
now - waters, unless on a passage through, must have certification.

Obviously it can be obtained after completion, but does it apply
to
amateur built boats and who is the authority to talk to.

Regarding the VATon self build, there used to be a Customs & Excise
office in Dover that was pretty helpful but I think they got cut
away
with the Air Sea rescue chopper. Anyone know if there are any plain
English speaking VAT offices that could issue a VAT paid certificate
to save carrying around the thousand or so receipts everywhere you
go
just to prove that VAT's been paid?

Whilst on the same subject, where does the VAT justification stop
and
who, if anybody, checks the receipts to see if they total up to a
boat? I mean the hull and deck and any structural parts are
obviously
part of the boat, but what about the sea toilet, electrics, sails,
winches, cushions etc. etc. If you save a bit of money buying second
hand or make your own gear, who is to say how much the value of the
boat should be and therefor how much you should have in VAT
receipts?

Hoping for some advice here,


Pete

"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote:

I don't know the rules, but I think I have heard that The CE-cert is
not required for homebuild boats, unless you sell it within the first
(maybe) 5 years.

Hi to all, I am a newsbie in this NG.

That's right.
Homebuilt boats do not need CE certificate.
But there are some rules. I suppose every country has his own.

In Italy, where I leave:

- Boats up to 10 meters (about 32'), sailing into 6 miles from coast, do not
need any document of building (it is better to do a "self-certificate" of
building).
- Boats over 5 meters (about 17'), sailing without limits from coast, must
have buoyancy and stability certificate realeased from an institution such
as ABS, Lloyd's Register, RINA, on their inspection.
- Boats over 10 meters (or in any case sailing over 12 miles from coast) are
to be registered in a pubblic "vessels register"

You cannot sell them before 5 Years from building into the European Market
(You can sell them out of Europe).

Ciao
Leo