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"Miljenko" wrote in message
... Hello, I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing. Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and 12 knots max.. I found od www.tadroberts.com something for studing White pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good plan to start bulding. So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me. I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans??? Meindert |
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Meindert says:
I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans??? There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that you get what you pay for. ;-) Although I am biased.... Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message
... Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". Miljenko. This is not a matter of not wanting to help someone. This is about decent plans and the price you pay for it. If you want to build a 8 ft or 2 meter dinghy, there are quite a few free plans out there on the net. And such a desing would alse make a free plan viable. you can build a plywood dinghy for a few tens of bucks worth of plywood. However, building a 9 meter boats is quite different. First, I think you don't find any free plans for that, and second, like I said before, the price of a decent set of plans is small compared to the price you end up paying for the materials of the entire boat. I mean, you can find a decent plan for a 9 meter motorboat for $150 (Woodenboat plan 53, a 32' power cruiser from Eldredge-McInnis). That might be just 1% of the total cost of building the boat. Meindert |
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have you tried searchidg the Internet for "cold moulding" or "cold
molding" (the latter is the Amercian spelling) since that is the type of construction you've chosen? also "cold moulded" "Miljenko" ) writes: Hello, I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing. Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and 12 knots max.. I found od www.tadroberts.com something for studing White pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good plan to start bulding. So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me. Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message
... That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve this forms. In that case, take a look at the three catalogs offered by Woodenboat. They contain a total of 120 study plans of all sorts of boats: motorboats, runabouts, launches, sailboats and dinghies. Great reading and drooling ;-) Meindert |
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"Miljenko" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote: Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". BwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Thanks for the laugh. Goodbye to you, your positive and thoughtful contributions will be sorely missed! |
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"Miljenko" ) writes:
That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve this forms. you can't just cold mould any hull shape. even when the hull shape is designed for cold moulding its a very time consuming process shaving the strips to conform to the shape fo the hull. you are not just putting one layer on the hull so it has to be done all over again for each layer. I think TF Jones says 1 hour per sq ft per layer to do the cold moulding part of the boat construction. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Miljenko, do you have a paying job or do you work for free?
Let's say you are a plumber, will you install my new bathroom for free? Why not? Where did you get the idea that a boat designer has to work for you for free? -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Miljenko" wrote in message ... Stephen Baker wrote in message ... Meindert says: I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans??? There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that you get what you pay for. ;-) Although I am biased.... Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". Miljenko. |
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The hull form is the bigest problem because many people who think they have good plans are actualy selling "floating boxes". Result is huge waves around and capuccino behind boat. Of course empty fuel tank much soon than you expected. Well, since you know so much about other peoples designs, you should draft your own plans. Send us pictures. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com |
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"Jacques Mertens" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote: Well, since you know so much about other peoples designs, you should draft your own plans. Send us pictures. it's a troll - has to be .. In any event, I will stake money that his contribution to the ng will be around zero. Oh, and he'll simply be rude if you challenge him, he's done that already steveb |
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I'm waiting for his thread "Looking for free epoxy". ;-)
steveb wrote: "Jacques Mertens" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and wrote: Well, since you know so much about other peoples designs, you should draft your own plans. Send us pictures. it's a troll - has to be .. In any event, I will stake money that his contribution to the ng will be around zero. Oh, and he'll simply be rude if you challenge him, he's done that already steveb |
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Jim Conlin lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote: I'm waiting for his thread "Looking for free epoxy". ;-) In another ng, some time ago, there was a guy who popped in from time to time asking for a "free boat" Ya gotta laugh :) |
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"Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... I'm waiting for his thread "Looking for free epoxy". ;-) Or "Looking for builders to build my boat for free.." |
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Hello,
I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing. Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and 12 knots max.. I found od www.tadroberts.com something for studing White pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good plan to start bulding. So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me. Thanks. |
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Stephen Baker wrote in message ... Meindert says: I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans??? There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that you get what you pay for. ;-) Although I am biased.... Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". Miljenko. |
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"Miljenko" ) writes:
Already did it. I measured one old form and put it in AutoCAD14. Than little work about smoothering lines and rescaling to 6 mtr. All sections was printed 1:1 cut and covered with 3 layer of 4mm plywood+epoxy (90 degrees shift) and finally 1 ply of rowing. Of course, almost every strip line of plywood needed corections to best fit. I ALREADY BUILT 6 MTR. BOAT !!! Result is high quality, very nice little boat. Now I am ready for something bigger. See you on Monday. Bye. Miljenko. sorry I didn't read the original correctly -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Meindert Sprang wrote in message ... "Miljenko" wrote in message ... Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". Miljenko. This is not a matter of not wanting to help someone. This is about decent plans and the price you pay for it. If you want to build a 8 ft or 2 meter dinghy, there are quite a few free plans out there on the net. And such a desing would alse make a free plan viable. you can build a plywood dinghy for a few tens of bucks worth of plywood. However, building a 9 meter boats is quite different. First, I think you don't find any free plans for that, and second, like I said before, the price of a decent set of plans is small compared to the price you end up paying for the materials of the entire boat. I mean, you can find a decent plan for a 9 meter motorboat for $150 (Woodenboat plan 53, a 32' power cruiser from Eldredge-McInnis). That might be just 1% of the total cost of building the boat. Meindert That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve this forms. Thanks anyway. Miljenko. |
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William R. Watt wrote in message ... have you tried searchidg the Internet for "cold moulding" or "cold molding" (the latter is the Amercian spelling) since that is the type of construction you've chosen? also "cold moulded" "Miljenko" ) writes: Hello, I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing. Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and 12 knots max.. I found od www.tadroberts.com something for studing White pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good plan to start bulding. So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me. Thanks. *** Hello, yes I did. I searched and find few nice, not plans, but very good advice. Alredy have script from Van De Stadt about building this kind of boat. The hull form is the bigest problem because many people who think they have good plans are actualy selling "floating boxes". Result is huge waves around and capuccino behind boat. Of course empty fuel tank much soon than you expected. Thanks. Miljenko. |
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I think there are some boatbuilders riding high horses. I thought all
designers ripped off other people's designs. That's what boat designers do. Can anyone name anyone who has designed a boat with no research or study of other people's boats? There are even books that recommend copying sail plans and things from exsiting boats because there are no analytical methods. Right here in this newsgroup not so long ago several people wrote that I could not possibly figure out how much sail a boat could carry mathematically because there were too many variables. I was told to copy. By a boat designer or builder, I don't know which. :) Also there are lots of free boats. I believe Wooden Boat magazien has a section at the back devoted to free boats. Its unfortunagte that there are many neglected boats but that's the nature of boat ownership. One does not buy a recreational boat for any practical reason. They are bought to enhance one's self image and when they don't, or they require work, people become disatisfied with them and they become neglected. Enough end up changing hands for free. Some of which are donated to charity. "Chris" ) writes: "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... I'm waiting for his thread "Looking for free epoxy". ;-) Or "Looking for builders to build my boat for free.." -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Meindert Sprang wrote in message ... "Miljenko" wrote in message ... That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve this forms. In that case, take a look at the three catalogs offered by Woodenboat. They contain a total of 120 study plans of all sorts of boats: motorboats, runabouts, launches, sailboats and dinghies. Great reading and drooling ;-) Meindert *** Just did it this morning. Thanks again. |
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William R. Watt wrote in message ... "Miljenko" ) writes: That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve this forms. you can't just cold mould any hull shape. even when the hull shape is designed for cold moulding its a very time consuming process shaving the strips to conform to the shape fo the hull. you are not just putting one layer on the hull so it has to be done all over again for each layer. I think TF Jones says 1 hour per sq ft per layer to do the cold moulding part of the boat construction. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Already did it. I measured one old form and put it in AutoCAD14. Than little work about smoothering lines and rescaling to 6 mtr. All sections was printed 1:1 cut and covered with 3 layer of 4mm plywood+epoxy (90 degrees shift) and finally 1 ply of rowing. Of course, almost every strip line of plywood needed corections to best fit. I ALREADY BUILT 6 MTR. BOAT !!! Result is high quality, very nice little boat. Now I am ready for something bigger. See you on Monday. Bye. Miljenko. |
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Geez....what a small world! I'd love about 10 gallons of free epoxy
myself.... |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message ... Stephen Baker wrote in message ... Meindert says: I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans??? There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that you get what you pay for. ;-) Although I am biased.... Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of man so "Good Bye". Miljenko. You sir are a cheap Cad... but even so.. I do hope you find plans to suit your needs... And hope they prove to be worth the money you paid for them |
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"James" lifted the trapdoor, peered
around and wrote: You sir are a cheap Cad... but even so.. I do hope you find plans to suit your needs... And hope they prove to be worth the money you paid for them roflmao You just reminded me of the School Report comment that always makes me smile: "This boy consistently sets himself low standards, which he consistently fails to achieve" steveb |
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steveb ) writes:
(William R. Watt) lifted the trapdoor, peered around and wrote: One does not buy a recreational boat for any practical reason. They are bought to enhance one's self image Where did this come from? Please don't judge everyone by a simple sweeping (and incorrect) assumption. It simply makes you look silly, and detracts from positive things you may have to say if that's your philosophy then from whence come all the negative remarks about people looking for free boat plans? or free materials for that matter? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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OT, but it might give this thread some redeeming value
Similar useful language: His contribution is hard to underestimate Working with charlie is almost like working alone ...Charlie, for whom I have a minimum high regard, ... steveb wrote: "James" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and wrote: You sir are a cheap Cad... but even so.. I do hope you find plans to suit your needs... And hope they prove to be worth the money you paid for them roflmao You just reminded me of the School Report comment that always makes me smile: "This boy consistently sets himself low standards, which he consistently fails to achieve" steveb |
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There was a laudable (In my view) attempt to produce an open source yacht
design a while back, you can check it out here http://www.mini-650.de I'm not sure if it is still alive or not, but its gotta be worth a look garry |
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Need Free Plans . . . Plus!
I've decided to quit my job and build a sailboat, and need a little help. Does anyone know where I can find free plans? Please don't tell me to go to the library, because reading all those books is a lot of work. As a matter of fact, if you know a designer who will create a set of plans for precisely the boat I want, for free, that would be quite nice. I realize the plans are a small part of the total cost of the boat. Therefore I would also like to know if you know of anyone who will donate the materials I will need. I could cut down trees and find someone to mill them for me, but that's even more work than going to the library, and I really want a modern boat. If you have a really large supply of carbon fiber that would be ideal, but I would settle for the right assortment of fiberglass. As others have pointed out in this newsgroup, you will also have to come up with the engine, plumbing, electronics, lighting and other gear I need, plus of course the masts (I'd really like two, thanks very much) and sails. Dacron if that's the best you can do, but I really think I deserve Kevlar. Now I realize that building a sailboat of a size adequate for my needs is a major project, and of course I don't plan to do it alone. In fact I am much better at organizing than at working with my hands, so for those of you who really want to get lots of great practical experience with boatbuilding, this is your chance. If you can't spare the time to help, but can supply the boatyard space (actually, I will require a heated, well-lighted work area) or have several tons of lead for the keel, I'd be willing to accept that. I plan to name her "Self Reliant." Launch date is set for April 1. |
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"Auerbach" ) writes:
I plan to name her "Self Reliant." Launch date is set for April 1. if you want to launch here on that date (any year) you'll have to extend your request to include help with breaking the ice I admire your initiative. For actual cruising guidance you might want to read Ladd's "Three Years in a 12 Foot Boat" in which he describes mooching his way through the Americas. He seems to have had quite a knack for living off women. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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You mean there's ice on April Fool's Day?
"William R. Watt" wrote in message ... "Auerbach" ) writes: I plan to name her "Self Reliant." Launch date is set for April 1. if you want to launch here on that date (any year) you'll have to extend your request to include help with breaking the ice I admire your initiative. For actual cruising guidance you might want to read Ladd's "Three Years in a 12 Foot Boat" in which he describes mooching his way through the Americas. He seems to have had quite a knack for living off women. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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He seems to have had quite a knack for living
off women. It is easy. Just pick the "wounded bird" type woman. Definitely not my style, but I have seen more than enough guys who were quite willing to live that way. Surprising to me was that in some cases I might bump into this one or that one only to find they had become "Born Agains" or were now extremely hen-pecked husbands. Attoning for their perceived sins? Who knows. In no case did I envy one for the woman he got. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... He seems to have had quite a knack for living off women. It is easy. Just pick the "wounded bird" type woman. Definitely not my style, but I have seen more than enough guys who were quite willing to live that way. Surprising to me was that in some cases I might bump into this one or that one only to find they had become "Born Agains" or were now extremely hen-pecked husbands. Atoning for their perceived sins? Who knows. In no case did I envy one for the woman he got. "wounded bird" types are a millstone for any man! You cannot help them, and they drag you down with them! |
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What is the matter with you gentlemen?
The man just asked for any info on free plans. What's wrong with that? "Miljenko" wrote in message ... Hello, I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing. Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and 12 knots max.. I found od www.tadroberts.com something for studing White pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good plan to start bulding. So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me. Thanks. |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message
... Hello to ALL of you, first, I am telecommunications engineer and if anyone asked me about building some electronic device I always helped him. I gave him schematic diagram if I had one but did not made a device. That is for what I asked for !!! Hello Miljenko, I have a collection of links on my boatbuilding site: http://www.customware.nl/boats/en/index.html Option "interesting links". Maybe you can find something of your intrest there. HELLO FROM CROATIA - land of the most beautifull see and little ships! Been twice to Croatia (Opatija), on my honeymoon and later in the season again. Unfortunately I wasn't caught by the boatbuilding virus then. But it sure was beautiful! Meindert (also an electronics engineer that loves to build boats after a days work behind a computer screen) |
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"William R. Watt" wrote in message
I thought all designers ripped off other people's designs. That's what boat designers do. Can anyone name anyone who has designed a boat with no research or study of other people's boats? I once walked in a major (and I mean major) designer's office while they were working on the concept drawings of a new boat. There were plans and pictures all over the place, they had graphs of data about other boats and a list of desired features mostly referring to other designs. I would not trust a design that is not based on research and data compiled from previous designs. We have a library of hundreds of plans and spreadsheets full of data from boats designed by others. I would not start a new design without studying in detail what has been done before. The novice will often think: "That design looks very much like a Bolger, it's a copy . . " not knowing that Bolger got the idea from Sucher who collected and analyzed data taken from boats he measured on the waterfront and those boats themselves were the product of an evolution etc. etc. The problem is the lack of knowledge of the neophyte. The art of the designer is to pick all those features and blend them in an harmonious new and original design. That assumes that he also understands what works and doesn't. There is much out there not worth copying, it usually comes from amateur designers who did not do their homework. They try to be different not knowing that it has been done and failed.. Their weird plans are like no others, they don't "copy". |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message ...
If anybody want to help me and support my whishes to build improved wood traditional hull form boat please write on . This newsgroup stinks of selfregarding idiots and fastprofiters. Uh, F**K you! Hope that translates properly. I have seen no one at all try to sell you anything here. Anyway, try: svensons.com or http://www.smallboatdesign.co.uk/ You cheap, highbrow, prick. Scotty from SmallBoats.com THANKS. POZDRAV IZ HRVATSKE - zemlje najljepseg mora i malih brodova! HELLO FROM CROATIA - land of the most beautifull see and little ships! Miljenko. Sorry about my english, I am in little hurry so my fingers are not following my head. |
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Hello to ALL of you,
first, I am telecommunications engineer and if anyone asked me about building some electronic device I always helped him. I gave him schematic diagram if I had one but did not made a device. That is for what I asked for !!! I understand that many peoples live from selling boat plans, I understand that they hate even word "free" but what I can not understand is why they can not read headline of my question I WROTE: "FREE BOAT PLANS" ?!? Thanks to all of you who understood my words and helped me not only by great links and mails but even with words of supporting on this group. If anybody want to help me and support my whishes to build improved wood traditional hull form boat please write on . This newsgroup stinks of selfregarding idiots and fastprofiters. THANKS. POZDRAV IZ HRVATSKE - zemlje najljepseg mora i malih brodova! HELLO FROM CROATIA - land of the most beautifull see and little ships! Miljenko. Sorry about my english, I am in little hurry so my fingers are not following my head. |
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"Miljenko" wrote in message ... Hello to ALL of you, my whishes to build improved wood traditional hull form boat please write on . This newsgroup stinks of selfregarding idiots and fastprofiters. I hope your cutting of timber proves to be more accurate than your sense of smell.... |
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