OT apologies
 

It was been brought to my attention that to post a tool for sale in a
construction-oriented newsgroup is spam.

I am deeply hurt that I may have in any way bothered anyone with my money
woes.

Perhaps, in future, someone will post some sort of FAQ, otherwise shut the
hell up.

To Jim Conlin, that means you, or write a FAQ.

Admittedly, it's off-topic of me to commit the sin of selling my hand-drill
for $10 on a boatbuilding newsgroup. I am deeply troubled by my wrongs. I
hope, someday, the newsgroup community will see it in their hearts to
forgive me this horrid sin.

Mr. Conlin, I will never spam this newsgroup again. I suggest you NEVER
make one single mistake here, either. I will be watching with all the
vigilance you've shown me.

;-)

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Chris,

This has been researched before. First, this is an unmoderated group and
nobody checks up on us, therefore some people get a little bent now and
then. Second, the FAQ does *NOT* say "no spam". Nothing disallows it (if
someone has since discovered otherwise, let us know publicly.) Third, in
keeping with good netiquette, the great majority of the people here will
allow simple advertisements of things they have to sell, or pointers to web
sites or companies that are related to the building of boats. You have to
use some personal judgment about how much is too much, then round down on
that a bit. If you do that, then just ignore the noise makers and pretend
they don't exist. The rest of us might be interested in an occasional heads
up on a tool, boat part, or source of supplies...

Brian

"Chris" wrote in message
m...
It was been brought to my attention that to post a tool for sale in a
construction-oriented newsgroup is spam.

I am deeply hurt that I may have in any way bothered anyone with my money
woes.

Perhaps, in future, someone will post some sort of FAQ, otherwise shut the
hell up.

To Jim Conlin, that means you, or write a FAQ.

Admittedly, it's off-topic of me to commit the sin of selling my
hand-drill
for $10 on a boatbuilding newsgroup. I am deeply troubled by my wrongs.
I
hope, someday, the newsgroup community will see it in their hearts to
forgive me this horrid sin.

Mr. Conlin, I will never spam this newsgroup again. I suggest you NEVER
make one single mistake here, either. I will be watching with all the
vigilance you've shown me.

;-)

OT apologies
 

"Brian D" wrote in message
news:zBTAb.461077$Tr4.1280568@attbi_s03...

I understand, twas' sarcasm for Mr. Conlin's sake. ;-)

OT apologies
 

Brian D wrote:


then. Second, the FAQ does *NOT* say "no spam".

Just because it's not specifically prohibited, that doesn't mean it's A-OK.

Placing advertisements in a discussion groups is always considered rude. It's
the uenet equivalent of telemarketing.

Besides, as a matter of principle, if everyone with a tool or some boatbuilding
related item for sale decided that this newsgroup was great free advertising, it
would drown out all discussion & exchange of information.

You decide what kind of newsgroup you want.

Regards
Doug King

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Doug King says:

Just because it's not specifically prohibited, that doesn't mean it's A-OK.

Placing advertisements in a discussion groups is always considered rude. It's
the uenet equivalent of telemarketing.

Quite so. There is a newsgroup specifically for this task -
rec.boats.marketplace

As previously mentioned, no-one minds the occasional "Hey, guys, I have a tool
to sell - anyone interested?", but a whole post of tools to sell would come
under the heading of spam in most groups.
If it's done once without comment, and doesn't recur, then fine. If it's done
repeatedly, then it's a No-No. If it's done once and someone comments - well,
that's what we have here ;-)

Steve

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From my post:

"You have to use some personal judgment about how much is too much, then
round down on
that a bit."

I think that's pretty conservative and gets the point across. Nobody is
encouraging drowning out all conversation by utilizing great free
advertising. I for one would prefer to just let it ride and flex a little
bit. I've gotten some good deals on stuff thanks to people's heads-up notes
here and there's no reason that kind of thing can't occur now and then.
When it's repeated or abused, then say something. One time benign notices
should be ignored without comment if you are not interested in it. Just my
opinion (the only thing I'm willing to give away for free.)

Brian

"DSK" wrote in message
...


Brian D wrote:


then. Second, the FAQ does *NOT* say "no spam".

Just because it's not specifically prohibited, that doesn't mean it's
A-OK.

Placing advertisements in a discussion groups is always considered rude.
It's
the uenet equivalent of telemarketing.

Besides, as a matter of principle, if everyone with a tool or some
boatbuilding
related item for sale decided that this newsgroup was great free
advertising, it
would drown out all discussion & exchange of information.

You decide what kind of newsgroup you want.

Regards
Doug King

OT apologies
 

Seems to me that about one post out of eight on this newsgroup is a request
from a boatbuilder looking for the best price on plywood or epoxy or
whatever, and no one objects either to the question or to the responses,
which typically recommend (i.e. advertise) one or two vendors. So it's OK to
post an "ad" notice here if it is for a commercial outfit, but not if it's
an individual who wants to unload a few tools that are no longer needed?

This is the kind of hair-splitting logic that would delight a religious
philosopher! C'mon, let's lighten up.

"Brian D" wrote in message
news:Hl2Bb.462839$HS4.3608885@attbi_s01...
From my post:

"You have to use some personal judgment about how much is too much, then
round down on
that a bit."

I think that's pretty conservative and gets the point across. Nobody is
encouraging drowning out all conversation by utilizing great free
advertising. I for one would prefer to just let it ride and flex a little
bit. I've gotten some good deals on stuff thanks to people's heads-up
notes
here and there's no reason that kind of thing can't occur now and then.
When it's repeated or abused, then say something. One time benign notices
should be ignored without comment if you are not interested in it. Just
my
opinion (the only thing I'm willing to give away for free.)

Brian

"DSK" wrote in message
...


Brian D wrote:


then. Second, the FAQ does *NOT* say "no spam".

Just because it's not specifically prohibited, that doesn't mean it's
A-OK.

Placing advertisements in a discussion groups is always considered rude.
It's
the uenet equivalent of telemarketing.

Besides, as a matter of principle, if everyone with a tool or some
boatbuilding
related item for sale decided that this newsgroup was great free
advertising, it
would drown out all discussion & exchange of information.

You decide what kind of newsgroup you want.

Regards
Doug King

Commercial Internet Search (was : OT apologies)
 

There is a new search service dedicated to finding commercial outlets
for stuff you want.
It's called Froogle. Run by Google (of course)
It worked well when I searched for a spin index (which is not an every
day item after all) so it might work well for you too.

Brian W


On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:08:45 GMT, "Auerbach"
wrote:

Seems to me that about one post out of eight on this newsgroup is a request
from a boatbuilder looking for the best price on plywood or epoxy or
whatever, and no one objects either to the question or to the responses,
which typically recommend (i.e. advertise) one or two vendors. So it's OK to
post an "ad" notice here if it is for a commercial outfit, but not if it's
an individual who wants to unload a few tools that are no longer needed?

This is the kind of hair-splitting logic that would delight a religious
philosopher! C'mon, let's lighten up.

"Brian D" wrote in message
news:Hl2Bb.462839$HS4.3608885@attbi_s01...
From my post:

"You have to use some personal judgment about how much is too much, then
round down on
that a bit."

OT apologies
 

This is the kind of hair-splitting logic that would delight a religious
philosopher! C'mon, let's lighten up.

Good point. I've seen a lot more space taken up by folks whining about people
selling an occasional topic related item that is probably welcomed by someone
(if you ain't looking for anything, don't read the post), than by those posts
themselves.
Greg Sefton

OT apologies
 

This is the kind of hair-splitting logic that would delight a religious
philosopher! C'mon, let's lighten up.

Bray Haven wrote:
Good point. I've seen a lot more space taken up by folks whining about people
selling an occasional topic related item

And then, as if that weren't enough, other people pile on to add that the people
who point out that the people who complain are taking up more space than the
people who....

that is probably welcomed by someone
(if you ain't looking for anything, don't read the post), than by those posts
themselves.

Fact remains, posting ads to discussion groups is rude. That's not what the group
is for, just like your telephone is not for interrupting your family dinner with a
great mortgage refinance offer (or something). After all, if you don't want it,
don't answer the phone, right?

DSK

OT apologies
 

DSK wrote:
Fact remains, posting ads to discussion groups is rude. That's not what the group
is for, just like your telephone is not for interrupting your family dinner with a
great mortgage refinance offer (or something). After all, if you don't want it,
don't answer the phone, right?

DSK


But admittedly I haven't read the charter for this group, but typically
ng's have (written into the charter) what is and isn't acceptable as far
as for sale ads go.

Has anyone checked the charter for this group? Anyone have a pointer?

Ed



--
The SPAM got to me... change spam to speak in the return address.

OT apologies
 

Ed Edelenbos lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote:

Has anyone checked the charter for this group? Anyone have a pointer?

Good etiquette doesn't require a FAQ. The point about articles for sale in
a discussion group, is pretty clear. Regular contributors who occasionally
offer things for sale, or advise in response to a question, or include a
small link in a sig. file .... these are all well established and accepted
practises.

However, appearing once, or just occasionally to post an ad. isn't.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't make it either a good idea, or
an allowable practise, and criticising ppl who simply point this out
(politely) is ridiculous.

You will prolly find pointers for sale on eBay!

steveb

OT apologies
 

steveb wrote:
Ed Edelenbos lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote:


Has anyone checked the charter for this group? Anyone have a pointer?


Good etiquette doesn't require a FAQ. The point about articles for sale in
a discussion group, is pretty clear. Regular contributors who occasionally
offer things for sale, or advise in response to a question, or include a
small link in a sig. file .... these are all well established and accepted
practises.

However, appearing once, or just occasionally to post an ad. isn't.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't make it either a good idea, or
an allowable practise, and criticising ppl who simply point this out
(politely) is ridiculous.

You will prolly find pointers for sale on eBay!

steveb

I hear you but unless I'm seriously mistaken, the post that started this
whole squawk was from a name I've seen before... someone who has talked
about boat building. Almost every group I've ever seen has (in the faq)
a policy that for sale ads should be labeled FS: YadaYada in the header
and should be an individual who has something forsale and commercial ads
are not permitted. I think the screwdriver this guy was selling fits
that description.

Whatever. You want to get all "etiquitte" ****y about it, that's up to
you. It didn't bother me. Apparently, since only one or two people got
bothered by it, it isn't as big a problem as it has been made out to be.

Ed
--
The SPAM got to me... change spam to speak in the return address.

OT apologies
 

Ed Edelenbos lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote:

Apparently, since only one or two people got
bothered by it, it isn't as big a problem as it has been made out to be

It isn't now, and never was a big problem. Discussions like this set the
tone tho ... this one has been ok. Keeps it from becoming a big problem.

steveb

OT apologies
 

Ed Edelenbos wrote in message ...
steveb wrote:
Ed Edelenbos lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote:


Has anyone checked the charter for this group? Anyone have a pointer?


Good etiquette doesn't require a FAQ. The point about articles for sale in
a discussion group, is pretty clear. Regular contributors who occasionally
offer things for sale, or advise in response to a question, or include a
small link in a sig. file .... these are all well established and accepted
practises.

However, appearing once, or just occasionally to post an ad. isn't.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't make it either a good idea, or
an allowable practise, and criticising ppl who simply point this out
(politely) is ridiculous.

You will prolly find pointers for sale on eBay!

steveb

I hear you but unless I'm seriously mistaken, the post that started this
whole squawk was from a name I've seen before... someone who has talked
about boat building. Almost every group I've ever seen has (in the faq)
a policy that for sale ads should be labeled FS: YadaYada in the header
and should be an individual who has something forsale and commercial ads
are not permitted. I think the screwdriver this guy was selling fits
that description.

Whatever. You want to get all "etiquitte" ****y about it, that's up to
you. It didn't bother me. Apparently, since only one or two people got
bothered by it, it isn't as big a problem as it has been made out to be.

Ed

I think maybe more folks were bothered by it but decided not to step
in else get a flame post started about them directly. Seems this guy
started this thread to slam in public someone who apparently contacted
him off list. The guy knew what he was doing and could have just let
it go himself. Jim has been an active poster to this list for a long
time.
Scotty

OT apologies
 

DSK wrote:
This is the kind of hair-splitting logic that would delight a religious
philosopher! C'mon, let's lighten up.

Bray Haven wrote:
Good point. I've seen a lot more space taken up by folks whining about people
selling an occasional topic related item

VERY good point. Talk about a waste of bandwidth!


Fact remains, posting ads to discussion groups is rude. That's not what the group
is for, just like your telephone is not for interrupting your family dinner with a
great mortgage refinance offer (or something). After all, if you don't want it,
don't answer the phone, right?

Someone needs to post an ad for Midol, as there are obviously a few
people here who are in desperate need of some.

OT apologies
 

just like your telephone is not for interrupting your family dinner with a
great mortgage refinance offer (or something). After all, if you don't want
it,
don't answer the phone, right?

DSK

Yep. Hint, that little FS means "for sale". . If you don't need anything,
don't read it. I've found some much needed tools, parts & materials in special
interest NG's along with information.
Greg Sefton

OT apologies
 

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Someone needs to post an ad for Midol, as there are obviously a few
people here who are in desperate need of some.


Too funny!

Brian


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My boat project: http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass