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BruceM
 
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Sorry I can't help you much more.
I found a pic of an old one here & by the look of the water line painted on it, it does look like it sits pretty low in the water at the stern.
http://boats.iboats.com/robalo/cente.../34544-ad.html
I wonder is it possible to reposition the fish tank or the fuel tank a bit further forward.
Might pay to let a surveyor or someone assess the boat in person & preferrably in the water.
Most boats under 20ft do sit down in the stern & some I've seen are downright dangerous sitting on anchor fishing in sloppy water. I owned one & other than shifting all movable gear forward, there isn't much you can do.
If you are only using 30 litres a trip, then avoid topping the fuel tank up to the top.
If this looks like the back of your boat, then it looks like someone has removed the outboard well.
http://boats.iboats.com/cgi-bin/mari...&img=1&count=1
If that was mine I would get a pod made up to suit & "bolt" it on after I had rebuilt the stern back up to full height.
Get the pod made up to extend the bottom lines & shape & as wide as you can to get more floatation than displacement.
Anybody else got an idea here?
BruceM

"christos" wrote in message ...

"BruceM" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry Christos, but there's not really enough info for me to comment. I
can only guess what the boat really looks like. Usually in most boats of
that size there are two different drain plugs. One within an inch or so of
the absolute bottom of the boat. This is to drain the below deck compartment
among some other functions like maybe checking if your below deck fuel tank
has sprung a leak!


is a hole for the drain of the hull in the lower point and in the center of the V

The one higher up is for draining the deck area and for washing down after
an outing. On many boats this is slightly lower than the deck because there
is a slight well at the back of the deck to "collect" the water.


the 30 cm holes drain out the mentioned well

Now to contradict that last one, there are more & more boats now being
designed with "self draining decks", with scuppers attached to holes at the
rear of the deck.
The measurements don't mean a lot really because unless I know the deadrise
& lots of other details, then I can't comment.
Why are you concerned? Does it look too low in the water?


yes and water enters inside in the well and also coming on the deck

Are you sure that the 30 CM holes aren't just from the outboard well?
brumer


is from the well but i feel that the boat going to sink and also i cant see water in the well always

the deck is located about 10 cm higher and darin the waters in this well
if i go to the aft and add my weight the well becomes full off water the water start enters in the deck and start flooding a near by, fish well adding more weight about 60 liters or more and make the things more worst.
I DONT KNOW IF THIS CORRECT
i start cutting on the deck holes and i inspect the internal foam for waters
i dont see terrible things
then i remove the foam in the aft section i raise the well bottom about 8 cm higher and relocate the drain holes
also i fit a watertight cover to the fish well.
in the new empty space installed a bilge pump
never i test the boat after that.
the boat is a Robalo US made somewhere 80 to 90 i am not sure is a strong construction and planning fast reaching easy 48 knots in calm wheather with 175 hp engine.
i spend lot of my time and personal effort so i dont want to see my tries to fail
the dead rise angle is 18 degrees and really i dont know what this means
when the boat planning all the v is outside the water almost near to surface


back to you
christos



"christos" wrote in message
.. .
bruce i dont know
i launch the boat in the water and i took following draft
fore 28 cm
aft 40 cm
boat contains 120 liters of gasoline
the strange thing is that the drain holes located at 30 cm height from

keel
and the deck is 38 cm

have you ever seen a boat with this consruction or you can say what is the
weight of the boat with the cargo

christos


"BruceM" wrote in message
...
I give up ! ! tell us?
BruceM


"christos" wrote in message
.. .
thanks all for the reply.

the boat is bought with the motor .
it has a V bottom is a planning hull
is an open center console type and the fuel tank is located in the

center
line
boat is foam filled
the console is located from bow at 2.70 meters
the center of fuel tank is located 3.30 meters from the bow and is 1.8
metrs
long by 50cm by 28 cm
50 kgs batteries is under the console
waterline lenght is 4.92 mt max width 2.03 mt
what is your estimation for imersion of the boat in the salt water

christos


"christos" wrote in message
...
18 feet boat with an outboard motor of 350 pounds at the aft end how
much
will submerged in the water
the boat weights 1600 pounds without engine.
christos











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BruceM
 
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Hi,
How high is the transom on that boat Christos? You know, from the top of the fibreglass that the motor sits on down to the bottom of the boat? Is it 25inches or 19? In that picture of the boat it almost looks like it is a short leg.
BruceM


"BruceM" wrote in message ...
Sorry I can't help you much more.
I found a pic of an old one here & by the look of the water line painted on it, it does look like it sits pretty low in the water at the stern.
http://boats.iboats.com/robalo/cente.../34544-ad.html
I wonder is it possible to reposition the fish tank or the fuel tank a bit further forward.
Might pay to let a surveyor or someone assess the boat in person & preferrably in the water.
Most boats under 20ft do sit down in the stern & some I've seen are downright dangerous sitting on anchor fishing in sloppy water. I owned one & other than shifting all movable gear forward, there isn't much you can do.
If you are only using 30 litres a trip, then avoid topping the fuel tank up to the top.
If this looks like the back of your boat, then it looks like someone has removed the outboard well.
http://boats.iboats.com/cgi-bin/mari...&img=1&count=1
If that was mine I would get a pod made up to suit & "bolt" it on after I had rebuilt the stern back up to full height.
Get the pod made up to extend the bottom lines & shape & as wide as you can to get more floatation than displacement.
Anybody else got an idea here?
BruceM

"christos" wrote in message ...

"BruceM" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry Christos, but there's not really enough info for me to comment. I
can only guess what the boat really looks like. Usually in most boats of
that size there are two different drain plugs. One within an inch or so of
the absolute bottom of the boat. This is to drain the below deck compartment
among some other functions like maybe checking if your below deck fuel tank
has sprung a leak!


is a hole for the drain of the hull in the lower point and in the center of the V

The one higher up is for draining the deck area and for washing down after
an outing. On many boats this is slightly lower than the deck because there
is a slight well at the back of the deck to "collect" the water.


the 30 cm holes drain out the mentioned well

Now to contradict that last one, there are more & more boats now being
designed with "self draining decks", with scuppers attached to holes at the
rear of the deck.
The measurements don't mean a lot really because unless I know the deadrise
& lots of other details, then I can't comment.
Why are you concerned? Does it look too low in the water?


yes and water enters inside in the well and also coming on the deck

Are you sure that the 30 CM holes aren't just from the outboard well?
brumer


is from the well but i feel that the boat going to sink and also i cant see water in the well always

the deck is located about 10 cm higher and darin the waters in this well
if i go to the aft and add my weight the well becomes full off water the water start enters in the deck and start flooding a near by, fish well adding more weight about 60 liters or more and make the things more worst.
I DONT KNOW IF THIS CORRECT
i start cutting on the deck holes and i inspect the internal foam for waters
i dont see terrible things
then i remove the foam in the aft section i raise the well bottom about 8 cm higher and relocate the drain holes
also i fit a watertight cover to the fish well.
in the new empty space installed a bilge pump
never i test the boat after that.
the boat is a Robalo US made somewhere 80 to 90 i am not sure is a strong construction and planning fast reaching easy 48 knots in calm wheather with 175 hp engine.
i spend lot of my time and personal effort so i dont want to see my tries to fail
the dead rise angle is 18 degrees and really i dont know what this means
when the boat planning all the v is outside the water almost near to surface


back to you
christos



"christos" wrote in message
.. .
bruce i dont know
i launch the boat in the water and i took following draft
fore 28 cm
aft 40 cm
boat contains 120 liters of gasoline
the strange thing is that the drain holes located at 30 cm height from

keel
and the deck is 38 cm

have you ever seen a boat with this consruction or you can say what is the
weight of the boat with the cargo

christos


"BruceM" wrote in message
...
I give up ! ! tell us?
BruceM


"christos" wrote in message
.. .
thanks all for the reply.

the boat is bought with the motor .
it has a V bottom is a planning hull
is an open center console type and the fuel tank is located in the

center
line
boat is foam filled
the console is located from bow at 2.70 meters
the center of fuel tank is located 3.30 meters from the bow and is 1.8
metrs
long by 50cm by 28 cm
50 kgs batteries is under the console
waterline lenght is 4.92 mt max width 2.03 mt
what is your estimation for imersion of the boat in the salt water

christos


"christos" wrote in message
...
18 feet boat with an outboard motor of 350 pounds at the aft end how
much
will submerged in the water
the boat weights 1600 pounds without engine.
christos











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William R. Watt
 
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first, I think the only way to do the calculation would be to take
measurements off the hull and use one of the free hull design programs.
that's because the bouyancy depends on the underwater size and shape.
of course you could do the calculations the old fashioned way using flat
surfaces between stations. adjusting for angle of trim would be hard to
do, I imagine.

second, I don't think it will be good enough to get the water surface at
the level of the motor well when the boat is at rest. Its when the boat
comes down off a plane and the backwash hits the transom that the most
water will come aboard. That's what you have to aim for.

good luck


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christos
 
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the boat looks like the photo you send me
transom height is 60 cm originally
now ifs modified and is 8 cm less in order to install a shorter leg engine this done from the previous owner so i am not well known

christos
"BruceM" wrote in message ...
Hi,
How high is the transom on that boat Christos? You know, from the top of the fibreglass that the motor sits on down to the bottom of the boat? Is it 25inches or 19? In that picture of the boat it almost looks like it is a short leg.
BruceM


"BruceM" wrote in message ...
Sorry I can't help you much more.
I found a pic of an old one here & by the look of the water line painted on it, it does look like it sits pretty low in the water at the stern.
http://boats.iboats.com/robalo/cente.../34544-ad.html
I wonder is it possible to reposition the fish tank or the fuel tank a bit further forward.
Might pay to let a surveyor or someone assess the boat in person & preferrably in the water.
Most boats under 20ft do sit down in the stern & some I've seen are downright dangerous sitting on anchor fishing in sloppy water. I owned one & other than shifting all movable gear forward, there isn't much you can do.
If you are only using 30 litres a trip, then avoid topping the fuel tank up to the top.
If this looks like the back of your boat, then it looks like someone has removed the outboard well.
http://boats.iboats.com/cgi-bin/mari...&img=1&count=1
If that was mine I would get a pod made up to suit & "bolt" it on after I had rebuilt the stern back up to full height.
Get the pod made up to extend the bottom lines & shape & as wide as you can to get more floatation than displacement.
Anybody else got an idea here?
BruceM

"christos" wrote in message ...

"BruceM" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry Christos, but there's not really enough info for me to comment. I
can only guess what the boat really looks like. Usually in most boats of
that size there are two different drain plugs. One within an inch or so of
the absolute bottom of the boat. This is to drain the below deck compartment
among some other functions like maybe checking if your below deck fuel tank
has sprung a leak!


is a hole for the drain of the hull in the lower point and in the center of the V

The one higher up is for draining the deck area and for washing down after
an outing. On many boats this is slightly lower than the deck because there
is a slight well at the back of the deck to "collect" the water.


the 30 cm holes drain out the mentioned well

Now to contradict that last one, there are more & more boats now being
designed with "self draining decks", with scuppers attached to holes at the
rear of the deck.
The measurements don't mean a lot really because unless I know the deadrise
& lots of other details, then I can't comment.
Why are you concerned? Does it look too low in the water?


yes and water enters inside in the well and also coming on the deck

Are you sure that the 30 CM holes aren't just from the outboard well?
brumer


is from the well but i feel that the boat going to sink and also i cant see water in the well always

the deck is located about 10 cm higher and darin the waters in this well
if i go to the aft and add my weight the well becomes full off water the water start enters in the deck and start flooding a near by, fish well adding more weight about 60 liters or more and make the things more worst.
I DONT KNOW IF THIS CORRECT
i start cutting on the deck holes and i inspect the internal foam for waters
i dont see terrible things
then i remove the foam in the aft section i raise the well bottom about 8 cm higher and relocate the drain holes
also i fit a watertight cover to the fish well.
in the new empty space installed a bilge pump
never i test the boat after that.
the boat is a Robalo US made somewhere 80 to 90 i am not sure is a strong construction and planning fast reaching easy 48 knots in calm wheather with 175 hp engine.
i spend lot of my time and personal effort so i dont want to see my tries to fail
the dead rise angle is 18 degrees and really i dont know what this means
when the boat planning all the v is outside the water almost near to surface


back to you
christos



"christos" wrote in message
.. .
bruce i dont know
i launch the boat in the water and i took following draft
fore 28 cm
aft 40 cm
boat contains 120 liters of gasoline
the strange thing is that the drain holes located at 30 cm height from

keel
and the deck is 38 cm

have you ever seen a boat with this consruction or you can say what is the
weight of the boat with the cargo

christos


"BruceM" wrote in message
...
I give up ! ! tell us?
BruceM


"christos" wrote in message
.. .
thanks all for the reply.

the boat is bought with the motor .
it has a V bottom is a planning hull
is an open center console type and the fuel tank is located in the

center
line
boat is foam filled
the console is located from bow at 2.70 meters
the center of fuel tank is located 3.30 meters from the bow and is 1.8
metrs
long by 50cm by 28 cm
50 kgs batteries is under the console
waterline lenght is 4.92 mt max width 2.03 mt
what is your estimation for imersion of the boat in the salt water

christos


"christos" wrote in message
...
18 feet boat with an outboard motor of 350 pounds at the aft end how
much
will submerged in the water
the boat weights 1600 pounds without engine.
christos











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BruceM
 
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Hi Christos,
Well you found the problem yourself.
The person who cut down the transom should have 15cm cut off his legs & see how he goes! ! !
You don't really have any option but to get out the fibreglass & rebuild the transom & find yourself a long leg outboard.

If you intend using this boat in open seas & out wide fishing the get a decent experienced person to evaluate the modification because with minimal extra work, you could take the transom up even higher than the height required for a long leg & go for an extra-long one.
long shaft== 20inches == 508mm
extralong== 25inches == 635mm

I'll say it again though ........... discuss the option of fitting a pod to the back of that boat. You will be amazed at the extra deck room available for either a full width bench seat or a decent area for "the fight" with that big one.
Are there any marina's around your area? Go have a look at some of the other boats to get some ideas.
All the best Christos, & goodluck with your modifications. It will end up a real nice boat when you do get it right.
BruceM


"christos" wrote in message ...
the boat looks like the photo you send me
transom height is 60 cm originally
now ifs modified and is 8 cm less in order to install a shorter leg engine this done from the previous owner so i am not well known

christos
"BruceM" wrote in message ...
Hi,
How high is the transom on that boat Christos? You know, from the top of the fibreglass that the motor sits on down to the bottom of the boat? Is it 25inches or 19? In that picture of the boat it almost looks like it is a short leg.
BruceM


"BruceM" wrote in message ...
Sorry I can't help you much more.
I found a pic of an old one here & by the look of the water line painted on it, it does look like it sits pretty low in the water at the stern.
http://boats.iboats.com/robalo/cente.../34544-ad.html
I wonder is it possible to reposition the fish tank or the fuel tank a bit further forward.
Might pay to let a surveyor or someone assess the boat in person & preferrably in the water.
Most boats under 20ft do sit down in the stern & some I've seen are downright dangerous sitting on anchor fishing in sloppy water. I owned one & other than shifting all movable gear forward, there isn't much you can do.
If you are only using 30 litres a trip, then avoid topping the fuel tank up to the top.
If this looks like the back of your boat, then it looks like someone has removed the outboard well.
http://boats.iboats.com/cgi-bin/mari...&img=1&count=1
If that was mine I would get a pod made up to suit & "bolt" it on after I had rebuilt the stern back up to full height.
Get the pod made up to extend the bottom lines & shape & as wide as you can to get more floatation than displacement.
Anybody else got an idea here?
BruceM

"christos" wrote in message ...

"BruceM" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry Christos, but there's not really enough info for me to comment. I
can only guess what the boat really looks like. Usually in most boats of
that size there are two different drain plugs. One within an inch or so of
the absolute bottom of the boat. This is to drain the below deck compartment
among some other functions like maybe checking if your below deck fuel tank
has sprung a leak!


is a hole for the drain of the hull in the lower point and in the center of the V

The one higher up is for draining the deck area and for washing down after
an outing. On many boats this is slightly lower than the deck because there
is a slight well at the back of the deck to "collect" the water.


the 30 cm holes drain out the mentioned well

Now to contradict that last one, there are more & more boats now being
designed with "self draining decks", with scuppers attached to holes at the
rear of the deck.
The measurements don't mean a lot really because unless I know the deadrise
& lots of other details, then I can't comment.
Why are you concerned? Does it look too low in the water?


yes and water enters inside in the well and also coming on the deck

Are you sure that the 30 CM holes aren't just from the outboard well?
brumer


is from the well but i feel that the boat going to sink and also i cant see water in the well always

the deck is located about 10 cm higher and darin the waters in this well
if i go to the aft and add my weight the well becomes full off water the water start enters in the deck and start flooding a near by, fish well adding more weight about 60 liters or more and make the things more worst.
I DONT KNOW IF THIS CORRECT
i start cutting on the deck holes and i inspect the internal foam for waters
i dont see terrible things
then i remove the foam in the aft section i raise the well bottom about 8 cm higher and relocate the drain holes
also i fit a watertight cover to the fish well.
in the new empty space installed a bilge pump
never i test the boat after that.
the boat is a Robalo US made somewhere 80 to 90 i am not sure is a strong construction and planning fast reaching easy 48 knots in calm wheather with 175 hp engine.
i spend lot of my time and personal effort so i dont want to see my tries to fail
the dead rise angle is 18 degrees and really i dont know what this means
when the boat planning all the v is outside the water almost near to surface


back to you
christos



"christos" wrote in message
.. .
bruce i dont know
i launch the boat in the water and i took following draft
fore 28 cm
aft 40 cm
boat contains 120 liters of gasoline
the strange thing is that the drain holes located at 30 cm height from

keel
and the deck is 38 cm

have you ever seen a boat with this consruction or you can say what is the
weight of the boat with the cargo

christos


"BruceM" wrote in message
...
I give up ! ! tell us?
BruceM


"christos" wrote in message
.. .
thanks all for the reply.

the boat is bought with the motor .
it has a V bottom is a planning hull
is an open center console type and the fuel tank is located in the

center
line
boat is foam filled
the console is located from bow at 2.70 meters
the center of fuel tank is located 3.30 meters from the bow and is 1.8
metrs
long by 50cm by 28 cm
50 kgs batteries is under the console
waterline lenght is 4.92 mt max width 2.03 mt
what is your estimation for imersion of the boat in the salt water

christos


"christos" wrote in message
...
18 feet boat with an outboard motor of 350 pounds at the aft end how
much
will submerged in the water
the boat weights 1600 pounds without engine.
christos











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