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I know that boatbuilding subjects tools to much more wear than the
average homeowner gives his power tools but I now have:

Dead Craftsman sabre saw
Dead B&D sander
Dead B&D sabre saw
Dying B&D drill
Dying B&D cordless drill

I am sure I could get them replaced if not for free at least for
reduced price but it isnt really worth the effort as I am more limited
by time than money. Still, its a little annoying to suddenly have your
sander die in use. I know I could fix these tools if I wanted but its
just a matter of time and priority.

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wrote:
I know that boatbuilding subjects tools to much more wear than the
average homeowner gives his power tools but I now have:

Dead Craftsman sabre saw
Dead B&D sander
Dead B&D sabre saw
Dying B&D drill
Dying B&D cordless drill

I am sure I could get them replaced if not for free at least for
reduced price but it isnt really worth the effort as I am more limited
by time than money. Still, its a little annoying to suddenly have
your sander die in use. I know I could fix these tools if I wanted
but its just a matter of time and priority.

You might want to consider "industrial" grade tools (yes, B&D makes them
too). True, they cost more than "homeowner" grade but they die only
infrequently...

--
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You might want to consider "industrial" grade tools (yes, B&D makes them
too). True, they cost more than "homeowner" grade but they die only
infrequently...

If you buy good contractor grade tools they will last a lot longer and
they can be fixed. DO NOTbuy brand name tools at the big discount
houses (Home Cheapo, Lows, etc) . Milwalkee, DeWalt, Makita, and other
name brands produce a grade of tool specifically for these places and
you can't get parts. The gears and bearings are not the usual parts in
the industrial grade tools. Most of these sub standard tools have the
model number as XXXHD for the Depot model. I found this out the hard
way when I went to get a few tool repaied after the gears blew out and
the motor started to buzz due to worn bearings.

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You make a good case for the China grade stuff from Bargain Supply or Harbor
Freight. Ugly, noisy, but effective. Examples that I'm happy with are my
4" grinder -- $8 dollars, dies only when really abused (I leaned a piece of
newly welded, still hot, steel against the cord). Set of 18 volt cordless
devices -- $130, crude and hard to adjust, but compare to $400 for Ryobi.
(I have both in the 18 volt drill manifestation. The Ryobi is elegant and
its clutch works better. Both are quite effective in making holes and
driving screws. I don't keep adequate records, but it seems like the Ryobi
batteries failed faster.)

When I buy the brand name, I'm unhappy nearly as often. Dewalt put a bad
casting in my biscuit jointer and then refused to admit that such could
happen. It took many hours of filing and shimming before the slot was
parallel to the edge of the timber.

My Porter Cable saw has the blade on the left (my ill-informed choice) so I
have to wear a face mask to keep the chips out of my face.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Kevin Brooker" wrote in message
...


You might want to consider "industrial" grade tools (yes, B&D makes them
too). True, they cost more than "homeowner" grade but they die only
infrequently...

If you buy good contractor grade tools they will last a lot longer and
they can be fixed. DO NOTbuy brand name tools at the big discount
houses (Home Cheapo, Lows, etc) . Milwalkee, DeWalt, Makita, and other
name brands produce a grade of tool specifically for these places and
you can't get parts. The gears and bearings are not the usual parts in
the industrial grade tools. Most of these sub standard tools have the
model number as XXXHD for the Depot model. I found this out the hard
way when I went to get a few tool repaied after the gears blew out and
the motor started to buzz due to worn bearings.

disposable power tools
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:11:08 GMT, "dadiOH"
wrote:

wrote:
I know that boatbuilding subjects tools to much more wear than the
average homeowner gives his power tools but I now have:

Dead Craftsman sabre saw
Dead B&D sander
Dead B&D sabre saw
Dying B&D drill
Dying B&D cordless drill

I am sure I could get them replaced if not for free at least for
reduced price but it isnt really worth the effort as I am more limited
by time than money. Still, its a little annoying to suddenly have
your sander die in use. I know I could fix these tools if I wanted
but its just a matter of time and priority.

You might want to consider "industrial" grade tools (yes, B&D makes them
too). True, they cost more than "homeowner" grade but they die only
infrequently...

Industrial quality American tools are the answer.

Pick up a Milwaukee drill and a Makita in the other and note the
difference.

"They can take a f**king and keep on clucking."

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote
If you expect tools to survive, stay with brands like Bosch, Milwaukee,
Delta.

There is only one problem with good quality tools. You get attached to them
so you try to find space on the boat for them so you don't have to leave
them behind!

I just cannot for the life of me figure a way to fit my Powermatic 66
cabinet saw in the back stateroom!

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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I was given a Milwaukee Sawzall, broken. It cost $65 dollars to repair with
most of the money going to Milwaukee for a couple of replacement parts. It
took several weeks and the on/off switch is still an iffy thing.

But if you're saying that Milwaukee builds bigger muscles by being heavier
....

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"P.C. Ford" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:11:08 GMT, "dadiOH"
wrote:

Industrial quality American tools are the answer.

Pick up a Milwaukee drill and a Makita in the other and note the
difference.

"They can take a f**king and keep on clucking."

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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:Bc5ff.7421$om5.6361@dukeread04...
SNIP
I just cannot for the life of me figure a way to fit my Powermatic 66
cabinet saw in the back stateroom!

--
Glenn Ashmore

Clearly, you've built the wring boat.
I'll take RUTU and let you start again.

I feel the same way about my Powermatic 66. It's the best tool in the shop.

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TF Jones mentioned the lack of durability of hand held power drills in one
of his books. So I've bought 3 old ones at garage sales for $1-$3.
Unpainted aluminum casing, single speed, but they do the simple jobs and I
haven't wasted a lot of money on them.

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"Glenn Ashmore" ) writes:

I just cannot for the life of me figure a way to fit my Powermatic 66
cabinet saw in the back stateroom!

If it's some sort of table saw, remove the legs and build it into the
settee(?) like one of those pop-up cabinet sewing machines?

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Could be difficult.
They look like THIS and weigh about 600 lbs.

"William R. Watt" wrote in message ...
"Glenn Ashmore" ) writes:

I just cannot for the life of me figure a way to fit my Powermatic 66
cabinet saw in the back stateroom!

If it's some sort of table saw, remove the legs and build it into the
settee(?) like one of those pop-up cabinet sewing machines?

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On 18 Nov 2005 14:01:41 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

TF Jones mentioned the lack of durability of hand held power drills in one
of his books. So I've bought 3 old ones at garage sales for $1-$3.
Unpainted aluminum casing, single speed, but they do the simple jobs and I
haven't wasted a lot of money on them.

Will,

When is spending money _not_ wasting money for you?

Just curious.

pcf

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:13:28 GMT, "Roger Derby"
wrote:

I was given a Milwaukee Sawzall, broken. It cost $65 dollars to repair with
most of the money going to Milwaukee for a couple of replacement parts. It
took several weeks and the on/off switch is still an iffy thing.

Let's see here, you take a disused tool, attempt to repair it
yourself, and then take your resultant lack of satisfaction as a
demonstration of the quality of the tool.

Right?

Could there be any logical errors here?

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Actually, that was the bill from an outfit calling itself "Milwaukee Tool
Repair" in Louisville, KY. They were quite apologetic about the several
week delay and the high cost of parts. The firm has a good reputation
amongst the professional contractors in the area.

Logical errors are usually incorporated by the person constructing the
strawman.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"P.C. Ford" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:13:28 GMT, "Roger Derby"
wrote:

I was given a Milwaukee Sawzall, broken. It cost $65 dollars to repair
with
most of the money going to Milwaukee for a couple of replacement parts.
It
took several weeks and the on/off switch is still an iffy thing.

Let's see here, you take a disused tool, attempt to repair it
yourself, and then take your resultant lack of satisfaction as a
demonstration of the quality of the tool.

Right?

Could there be any logical errors here?

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P.C. Ford ) writes:

When is spending money _not_ wasting money for you?

When you get back more than you spend.

Finding ways to spend as little as possible is just as interesting and
creative as trying to get back as much as possible. They suppliment each
other. :)

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On 19 Nov 2005 14:50:05 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

P.C. Ford ) writes:

When is spending money _not_ wasting money for you?

When you get back more than you spend.

Finding ways to spend as little as possible is just as interesting and
creative as trying to get back as much as possible. They suppliment each
other. :)

Having a wider range of cheaper tools can be better than having fewer
more expensive tools.

Though sometimes the cheapest tool just can't do a job like a more
expensive tool can.

Eg a cheaper belt sander can do a reasonable job, but the cheapest
palm/orbital sander often isn't a lot of good.

cheers,
Pete.

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Yes, there are "mistakes" for sale out there. My son bought a bench
grinder. Looks good. Spins up the wheels -- until you put a screwdriver
against the wheel. Then the 0.01 hp motor stalls. But cheap.

I figure it's a gamble every time I buy a super bargain. That said, I've
won more often than not.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"Pete C" wrote in message
...
On 19 Nov 2005 14:50:05 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:
P.C. Ford ) writes:
When is spending money _not_ wasting money for you?

When you get back more than you spend.
Finding ways to spend as little as possible is just as interesting and
creative as trying to get back as much as possible. They suppliment
each other. :)

Having a wider range of cheaper tools can be better than having fewer
more expensive tools.

Though sometimes the cheapest tool just can't do a job like a more
expensive tool can.

Eg a cheaper belt sander can do a reasonable job, but the cheapest
palm/orbital sander often isn't a lot of good.

disposable power tools
 

If it's a tool which i will use a lot, i'll get the very best that i can
afford (Powermatic, Festool, Fein, Porter-Cable, Milwaukee). If it's one
which i won't use much, i'll buy a POS from Harbor Freight, Sears or Ryobi.
I don't want to lose time because of a bad tool.


"Roger Derby" wrote in message
ink.net...
Yes, there are "mistakes" for sale out there. My son bought a bench
grinder. Looks good. Spins up the wheels -- until you put a screwdriver
against the wheel. Then the 0.01 hp motor stalls. But cheap.

I figure it's a gamble every time I buy a super bargain. That said, I've
won more often than not.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"Pete C" wrote in message
...
On 19 Nov 2005 14:50:05 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:
P.C. Ford ) writes:
When is spending money _not_ wasting money for you?

When you get back more than you spend.
Finding ways to spend as little as possible is just as interesting and
creative as trying to get back as much as possible. They suppliment
each other. :)

Having a wider range of cheaper tools can be better than having fewer
more expensive tools.

Though sometimes the cheapest tool just can't do a job like a more
expensive tool can.

Eg a cheaper belt sander can do a reasonable job, but the cheapest
palm/orbital sander often isn't a lot of good.

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Jim Conlin wrote:
If it's a tool which i will use a lot, i'll get the very best that i can
afford (Powermatic, Festool, Fein, Porter-Cable, Milwaukee). If it's one
which i won't use much, i'll buy a POS from Harbor Freight, Sears or Ryobi.
I don't want to lose time because of a bad tool.


Only a fool would argue with you.

Lew

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You have to consider the guarantee too. If I can get a Ryobi or similar
with a 2 year guarantee, from a supplier I expect to honour it, I figure
it's a low risk "investment". Having said that, I love my Fein multi-tool
.....
Hobby use can be harder on power tools than trade use - tell me you haven't
pushed a tool to the limit to get the job done, rather than go out and buy
something more suitable. ( Glen excluded, I blame him for the Fein ... )

Re guarantees
I'm giving my offspring some cheap watches purchased recently in China. The
come with a guarantee in three parts.
1) They are guaranteed to be fake
2) They are guaranteed to have worked when demonstrated
3) The guarantee lasts 60 seconds after payment.

David

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If a tool craps out and it's Sunday and you're at the boatyard, a warrantee
is not much comfort.

"David Flew" wrote in message
...
You have to consider the guarantee too. If I can get a Ryobi or similar
with a 2 year guarantee, from a supplier I expect to honour it, I figure
it's a low risk "investment". Having said that, I love my Fein multi-tool
....
Hobby use can be harder on power tools than trade use - tell me you
haven't
pushed a tool to the limit to get the job done, rather than go out and buy
something more suitable. ( Glen excluded, I blame him for the Fein ... )

Re guarantees
I'm giving my offspring some cheap watches purchased recently in China.
The
come with a guarantee in three parts.
1) They are guaranteed to be fake
2) They are guaranteed to have worked when demonstrated
3) The guarantee lasts 60 seconds after payment.

David

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I had a bunch of 1/4 inch holes to drill and tap in some mild steel. I had
two battery drills one top of the line Dewalt and one cheapo model. They
both seemed to have the same amount of power but with the cheaper model I
went through bits like crazy. I finally discovered that due to the cheap
bearings in the cheap drill there was vibration in the chuck which
ultimately ate the bits. In this instance the cost of the bits far out
weighed the savings on the cheaper drill.

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Some people like to bull your p---er.
Blade diameter: 10
Maximum Rip Capacity: 50
Table dimensions: 38 x 28
Motor: 3 HP, 230 volts
Table Construction: CI
Weight: 605 Lbs
http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Shop_To...inet_Table_Saw
However, if you must have it on-board, and you have the aux power to
drive it, cut a hole in the upper deck and lower it in place.

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
| "Glenn Ashmore" ) writes:
|
| I just cannot for the life of me figure a way to fit my Powermatic
66
| cabinet saw in the back stateroom!
|
| If it's some sort of table saw, remove the legs and build it into
the
| settee(?) like one of those pop-up cabinet sewing machines?
|