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Hello,
I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam
sandwich version of the VG23. Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set of scantlings. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Mark" wrote in message om... Hi Jacques You are right. I meant planks, but got the subject title wrong. Interestingly enough, your Vagabond 23 is my primary interest at the moment, and probably the boat that I will go for. The build will have to wait until after Christmas to allow the weather to warm a little as I will be building primarily outside within a small covered area. My interest was momentarily grabbed by the thought of fiberglass planks, but if there is no supplier in the UK, I will rule this out on cost grounds. Many thanks, Mark "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message .. . Could that be C-Flex? I don't think they use panels. For C-Flex, find a company named Seamann. They have an agent in Holland, don't know about the UK. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Mark" wrote in message m... Hello, I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Excellent. I've not yet looked into foam sandwich - but it is
something that I would consider. Time for some more research, I think. Many thanks, Mark "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message . .. That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam sandwich version of the VG23. Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set of scantlings. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Mark" wrote in message om... Hi Jacques You are right. I meant planks, but got the subject title wrong. Interestingly enough, your Vagabond 23 is my primary interest at the moment, and probably the boat that I will go for. The build will have to wait until after Christmas to allow the weather to warm a little as I will be building primarily outside within a small covered area. My interest was momentarily grabbed by the thought of fiberglass planks, but if there is no supplier in the UK, I will rule this out on cost grounds. Many thanks, Mark |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Mark wrote: Hello, I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark Usually fabricated in situ, I believe, As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a 'fiberglass panel' boat. If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you would have a more traditional wooden boat, no? Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood, to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together, with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe nails? Screws are such a bother. If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and Africa? Dream on. -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers may be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Terry,
Maybe you could research the product the guy is asking about before you jump in with your useless uninformed (and rather rude) post. For the original poster: A yahoo search came up with a few UK locations that mention the C-Flex fiberglass panels. I didn't search through for specific suppliers but it appears that they are available. It seems some of the Bruce-Roberts boats must use this material so contacting one of the places that deals in their stuff might turn up a source. I have had good results asking questions at Glen-L so maybe an email to them would help find a source. Good luck. Ed Terry Spragg wrote: Mark wrote: Hello, I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark Usually fabricated in situ, I believe, As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a 'fiberglass panel' boat. If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you would have a more traditional wooden boat, no? Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood, to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together, with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe nails? Screws are such a bother. If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and Africa? Dream on. |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
"Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and Africa? Dream on. ? New to me . . . I'm glad I didn't sink during those ocean crossings because my boat did not have any of those "connections" between the skins. Maybe we should warn all those yards, builders and designers of foam sandwich hulls. |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
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would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater Interestingly, I've just started working for a company specialising in attaching resins to many substrates including foam. And I _really_ would trust it to adhere to the foam. I could give you a recipe for adhesion to of all unlikely substrates, polysyrene, were it not commerically sensitive. Al |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Terry Spragg wrote in message ...
Mark wrote: Hello, I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark Usually fabricated in situ, I believe, As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a 'fiberglass panel' boat. If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you would have a more traditional wooden boat, no? Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood, to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together, with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe nails? Screws are such a bother. If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and Africa? Dream on. Sounds to me like you are being sarcastic here, forgive me if I miss. But if you are mocking this type of "dream" building it is being done all the time and for some time now. Of course I don't usually carry elephants around in the bilge, but you never know... maybe pink ones... Scotty |
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Hi Jacques,
Out of interest, do you have a BOM available for the foam sandwiched version? This would help me do a cost comparison between the ply and foam versions. Foam sandwich would be a good way to go for me as I see this boat as being a project to learn new techniques prior to a bigger build. Thanks, Mark "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message . .. That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam sandwich version of the VG23. Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set of scantlings. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
The plans for that version will have a BOM, like all good plans but it's not
ready now, sorry. We are working on 3 other designs, that job is #4 on the list. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Mark" wrote in message om... Hi Jacques, Out of interest, do you have a BOM available for the foam sandwiched version? This would help me do a cost comparison between the ply and foam versions. Foam sandwich would be a good way to go for me as I see this boat as being a project to learn new techniques prior to a bigger build. Thanks, Mark "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message . .. That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam sandwich version of the VG23. Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set of scantlings. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Backyard Renegade wrote: Terry Spragg wrote in message ... Mark wrote: Hello, I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to use prior to ordering plans. Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting challenge), but recently I have been looking at the http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking in the UK? Many thanks, Mark Usually fabricated in situ, I believe, As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a 'fiberglass panel' boat. If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you would have a more traditional wooden boat, no? Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood, to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together, with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe nails? Screws are such a bother. If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2 layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and Africa? Dream on. Sounds to me like you are being sarcastic here, forgive me if I miss. But if you are mocking this type of "dream" building it is being done all the time and for some time now. Of course I don't usually carry elephants around in the bilge, but you never know... maybe pink ones... Scotty Oh, well, I was having a bit of fun, but... Some foam is good as structure, some is so scored for flexing purposes, that it is not, IMHO. I believe that c-flex (AKA "fiberglass planking" among some) is intended to be torn out after serving as shape form. It is not intended to be used a structural ingredient. The real point, fiberglass panels are built in situ, not purchased as structural material, seems to be adrift amongst the angst. C-flex is a temporary form material, only. -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers may be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
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Terry says:
C-flex is a temporary form material, only. Bzzztttttt!!!!!! Nope - it was developed, and has been used for years, as a structural material. I don't _like_ the stuff, but there it is. C-Flex boats always finished up overweight, because most were built on male forms, and no thought was given to the weight of fairing compound required ;-( Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
Once again... I'd suggest you research the material before you make
comments. You may believe it, but the data doesn't support your beliefs. Ed Terry Spragg wrote: Some foam is good as structure, some is so scored for flexing purposes, that it is not, IMHO. I believe that c-flex (AKA "fiberglass planking" among some) is intended to be torn out after serving as shape form. It is not intended to be used a structural ingredient. The real point, fiberglass panels are built in situ, not purchased as structural material, seems to be adrift amongst the angst. C-flex is a temporary form material, only. |
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Terry says:
Well, if you say so. I am only recalling, possibly erroneously, what I seem to remember reading 20 or so years ago. Perhaps you have a source for this revelation? In 1979, I was in college in Southampton (UK) studying design. We used to be sent out to look at various boats being built in the area that were of "interest" to the course material. I saw at least 6 boats being built with C-Flex in the first half of that year. One of them belonged to my brother. Calling c-flex panels 'fiberglass panels' still seems foreign to me. Well, you're not alone there ;-)) Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm |
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I have seen a number of boats built in C-Flex, seen demonstrations by
Seamann and it is 100% certain that the glass rods stay in the hull. And yes, the boats are heavy. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... Stephen Baker wrote: Terry says: C-flex is a temporary form material, only. Bzzztttttt!!!!!! Nope - it was developed, and has been used for years, as a structural material. I don't _like_ the stuff, but there it is. C-Flex boats always finished up overweight, because most were built on male forms, and no thought was given to the weight of fairing compound required ;-( Steve Well, if you say so. I am only recalling, possibly erroneously, what I seem to remember reading 20 or so years ago. Just think, now I must retrace all the 'facts' built up on that fallacy ever since. I am still somewhat doubtful, you will understand, because I have not seen substantive corroborration, but my mind is always open to new knowlege. Perhaps you have a source for this revelation? Calling c-flex panels 'fiberglass panels' still seems foreign to me. -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers may be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
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Hi
"Ed Edelenbos" skrev i en meddelelse ... Once again... I'd suggest you research the material before you make comments. You may believe it, but the data doesn't support your beliefs. Ed Terry Spragg wrote: Some foam is good as structure, some is so scored for flexing purposes, that it is not, IMHO. I believe that c-flex (AKA "fiberglass planking" among some) is intended to be torn out after serving as shape form. It is not intended to be used a structural ingredient. Right , maby they are and maby there are several different way's to produce a glasfiber boat . But if you don't want to spend your time sanding and filling , sanding and filling, sanding and filling, ------ and then spend a lot of money on special paint and coatings and then sand and paint with expensive paint, then you could consider to find panels with one side ready and place that side as the outside. Several workshops acturly produce glasfiber laminate for different porpus, like sthe sides of huge trucks or camping wagons , what do you think they are made of. Well years ago I found a factory in denmark , that was glad to sell the truck side panels they produced for their own trucks, and this was 2 millimeter glasfiber/polyester with white gelcoat. The glasfiber and polyester they used was that used producing boats, and then you still want to panel with somthing you need to sand and fill , paint and spend months to create the very same surface, that you can buy for round 20 pound pr. sq. meter, to be cut directly from full-scale plans as with the Cyber-Boat concept that was interduced before anyone else. What take time is the sanding and making a nice finish ; with ready made glasfiber panels you can sand the back side and continue from the inside of the hull with more glasfiber and resin, or you can use the panels as forms in a reliable building jig . Check the antike Cyber-Boat site where you among the links, can find designs with this idear ; http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/ Othervise there are a lot of glasfiber boats with wooden timbers, where the glasfiber just form the skin, here the 3D-Honeycomb method develobed with the Cyber-Boat concept can also be used providing a frame set with no trouble . Ask yourself why to spend your money and time , sanding and painting with expensive filler that you anyway remove 3/4 of, to get the exact same nice surface, as when you simply find ready made panels with one nice side. P.C. |
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"P.C." wrote in message news:3f68295f$0$54850 Right
, maby they are and maby there are several different way's to produce a glasfiber boat . But if you don't want to spend your time sanding and filling , sanding and filling, sanding and filling, ------ and then spend a lot of money on special paint and coatings and then sand and paint with expensive paint, then you could consider to find panels with one side ready and place that side as the outside. Several workshops acturly produce glasfiber laminate for different porpus, like sthe sides of huge trucks or camping wagons , what do you think they are made of. Well years ago I found a factory in denmark , that was glad to sell the truck side panels they produced for their own trucks, and this was 2 millimeter glasfiber/polyester with white gelcoat. The glasfiber and polyester they used was that used producing boats, and then you still want to panel with somthing you need to sand and fill , paint and spend months to create the very same surface, that you can buy for round 20 pound pr. sq. meter, to be cut directly from full-scale plans as with the Cyber-Boat concept that was interduced before anyone else. What take time is the sanding and making a nice finish ; with ready made glasfiber panels you can sand the back side and continue from the inside of the hull with more glasfiber and resin, or you can use the panels as forms in a reliable building jig . Check the antike Cyber-Boat site where you among the links, can find designs with this idear ; http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/ Othervise there are a lot of glasfiber boats with wooden timbers, where the glasfiber just form the skin, here the 3D-Honeycomb method develobed with the Cyber-Boat concept can also be used providing a frame set with no trouble .. Ask yourself why to spend your money and time , sanding and painting with expensive filler that you anyway remove 3/4 of, to get the exact same nice surface, as when you simply find ready made panels with one nice side. P.C. Hi, Interesting concept. Having worked quite a bit with fiberglass (only on fiberglass cars though), I'd be concerned that bending panels that are manufactured to be flat would cause stressing of the fiberglass and gelcoat causing cracks. That said, it is something that I would consider. Has anyone else used this technique (or know of manufacturers in the UK that produce such products)? Thanks, Mark |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
... Well, if you say so. I am only recalling, possibly erroneously, what I seem to remember reading 20 or so years ago. Just think, now I must retrace all the 'facts' built up on that fallacy ever since. I am still somewhat doubtful, you will understand, because I have not seen substantive corroborration, but my mind is always open to new knowlege. Perhaps you have a source for this revelation? Calling c-flex panels 'fiberglass panels' still seems foreign to me. -- Hi Terry, C-Flex is described quite well at http://www.topsail.co.uk/bruce_rober...fibreglass.htm - where they state that weight can actually be saved over conventional glass laminate. I'm interested in the concept, but will probably go for foam sandwich instead as I can't find a supplier in the UK to discuss this with. The term panels in my original post was a mistake (too much wine!), but the body of the post correctly call them panels as per the manufacturer. Cheers, Mark |
UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels
"Mark Pate" wrote in message ... The term panels in my original post was a mistake (too much wine!), but the body of the post correctly call them panels as per the manufacturer. There you go - I must stop drinking........ "call them PLANKS as per the manufacturer" |
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