Where can I find info?
 

I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

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Terry Cano wrote:

I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

water weighs 62.4 lbs per cu ft. Displace more than that and you float, less
and you sink.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

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"Dazed and Confuzed" wrote in message
...
Terry Cano wrote:

I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots
is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better
for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to
figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

water weighs 62.4 lbs per cu ft. Displace more than that and you float,
less
and you sink.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......



The rule of thumb that I use myself for "safe" capacity on a boat is to use
1/3 of that. Presuming that you and your wife are not seasoned small boat
sailors, you would also be wanting to look for a very stable boat, perhaps
with some ballast attached and/or a lot of beam so that you don't flip over
in the first gust that you don't react fast enough to. Perhaps at least
19ft long and 7ft of beam? There's a bunch of designs out there of about
that size.

Perhaps one of the Bolger or Michalak designs with a bird-watcher cabin on
it might be a good choice.

--
Andrew Butchart

http://www.abutchartconsulting.com/sailing/ - The Floating Bear




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Hi

"Terry Cano" skrev i en meddelelse
.. .


I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry


Why buckle and fiddle, when you can cut strait from the lines on full-scale
plans you spray glye directly to the same Ply you use for other cheap boats, to
form the assembly framework in perfect precision, aplying the frames in an
interlocking honeycomb structure, where the othervise 6 sided cubes is made more
than 20 pct. with only four sides to form a cube.
Honeycomb don't need to be hex, and formed in perfection, by two planes you
could even decide for a beetle as a thick honeycomb shell, with inner exact fit
to the rust hump, looking like a Cadilac on the outside, with 3D-H .
check this site, where you free can download the full set of CAD drawings, from
3D model into generated assembly framwork making you wonder, why even a boat,
when everyone can generate a 3D-H for planes, boats highrise and a promise of a
bright future.
Check this aincient Cyber-Boat documented many places on the web, the perfect
boat for a lazy amature boatbuilder.
When you se how well performing the Cyber-Boat Longboat, then you can start
wondering why Longboats shuld be any special, ------- this one or rather this
thusand different sizes, you can scale eqiualy XYZ without this effecting the
unfolded exact panels form, ------- acturly the 3D-H was made from the 3D-Moden
and could bring you a steel sheet garden cristmess dwarf, ----------- Anyway
check the site, and know that this is as easy as it say's, then it's four times
as strong as build with the methods different from those of a tradisional
builder, but today an assembly framework provide whatever, 3D-H form the exact
framework ready for paneling, very accurate projected even as forming the
interiors , --------- you will find that building a hull is nothing, compared
putting the right interiour in 3D-H also help here, as this will form framework
wherever needed.
The Longboat serie is avaible as free download, DWG files ;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/
Or go directly to the Cyber-Boat 5Meter Longboat, --------- it's 5 meter ling,
but you are free to scale it equaly into a monster of an ocean Racer, my foult
it is four times as strong ,cost a third, uses computers and can build you a
Cabin in assembly cheap steel sheets a tenthes the cost of a lumber cotteage,
and it even would be inviroment neutral oposed that forrest lumber ;))
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/

Sorry the interuption, but being a boatbuilder myself, I alway's wondered the
trouble others seem to have with building boats, Ok I had my own software and
invested myself every time a new CAD idear produced profit, but it make it even
a bigger joke, that metal end kits, where you acturly build a wonder of a
craftman's masterpiece by having the most difficult part anyway, produces
seperatly to ease the actural building, Ban enough Petrochemic had already then
made it's own Hero's and great vessels is build, but don't forget, that we now
is Digital minded, rather than by analog aproach.
If you want a Trawler, you must be an Idiot not to be able to project the
cutting of the actural assemblies, with a CAD program, but if you want to be
this clever, don't chose what made the Pyramides , Check the 5 Meter Longboat,
all full scale shuld be there , plot the DWG drawings from a cheap print shop ,
glue the plans onto Water prove Chipwood or Plywood , experience that 3D-H is
very different than the buckle you experience with a load of tradisional
designs, or check an aincient Cyber-Boat site, to se a few other , but
tradisional design even a true lapstrake 3D Model unfolded into boat
lanks, ---------- a Lapstrake computer model :))
http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/

P.C.
Sig under construction
She'll be back!
P.C.
http://www.designcommunity.com/scrapbook/2575.html

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"Terry Cano" wrote in message ...
I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

You will have to build a boat at least 16 feet for that kind of load
to do anything at all safely, if you want a boat that will handle both
of you, you should really look at something about 20 feet...
Scotty from SmallBoats.com... lot's of ten foot boats, I would not
sell you one with what you intend as the use and load...

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Oh No! He's back at it again! :-)

Once a husler always a husler I suspose...


"P.C." wrote in message
k...
Hi

"Backyard Renegade" skrev i en meddelelse
m...
"Terry Cano" wrote in message
...

You will have to build a boat at least 16 feet for that kind of load
to do anything at all safely, if you want a boat that will handle both
of you, you should really look at something about 20 feet...
Scotty from SmallBoats.com... lot's of ten foot boats, I would not
sell you one with what you intend as the use and load...

You are quite right, then when rigging any round 20 feet hull, it's a good
idear
to know before, what rig will fit this size of boat.
A sailboard sail, and mast is no bad choice and these rigs is very
effective ,
but if these, round max 9 -10 sq meter sails , is not enough then there
are
other standard rigs that you can get new or second hand , --------- 20
feet is a
nice size for a sail dinghie, esp. modern style , that beside is very much
easyer to build than the old types.
The Cyber-Boat 5Meter Longboat can be scaled any size and paneled all way
round
with deck above water acturly a very modern boat, compared the age of the
design
P.C.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/structure-testbench/

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is this posting a JOKE.....
look the guy says he is 310lbs, and his wife is 460.
and wants to build a 10ft sail boat for them.
I don't think, it will float.......
my 135horse power Mercury optimax is only 443lbs
and it Cracked my Transom on a 18ft boat from the weight. Where is that
guy going with a 460pound wife.----- I think, you need to build a "Ship"
at least 28 feet to handle the load........ is this posting for real. if
it is "Weight Reduction" is the answer

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Joseph Stachyra says:

is this posting a JOKE.....

I don't think so. But you better hope he doesn't find out what part of
Tunkhannock you hail from.......
I know it's not "cool" to be PC any more, but it is still rude to poke fun at
folks' weights.

Steve

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Sorry I guess the post wasn't clear.
..... she doesn't weigh 460 lbs....between the two of us
there is 460 lbs total load. I couldn't understand why all where suggesting
such a big boat.
I'm thinking something between 10 to 12 ft. Beam 4' plus. Heck I'll settle
for oars, she's strong.
Just kidding ;) The lakes here in so cal are fairly calm, winds can be
unpredictable though.

Terry

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Steve,
Maybe not a joke, but if this guy is for real . . SOMEBODY has to get
through to him about REALITY.

I've seen people who have no concept of physics, or common sense, over load
a small boat BEYOND 'dangerous'. It's one thing when they are rather fit
people & their kids . . . there is the possibility of survival re-boarding a
flipped or swamped boat.

On the other hand, I helped a gentleman get his wife aboard a 20 ft. {or so}
powerboat . . when she went over the side AT THE DOCK. She was TWICE his
size, and he was of average fitness & size. I helped by showing & telling
him WHAT and HOW to do it. Although he had already gone into the water
{leaving two small children aboard} he could NEVER have pushed her aboard.
If it had happened 'in a seaway' or out on the Delaware {with it's 6-7 knot
current} they would probably BOTH have drowned. NEITHER was wearing a PFD.

Whether they ever purchased, or made, the emergency rope 'ladder' {I used an
extra dock-line}, I don't know. Hopefully the experience stuck with them. I
DID give them a stern 'safety lecture'.

As to their feelings; several days later we went to check on our P-19, there
was a nice bottle of wine, with a bow around the neck, sitting under the
cockpit cover.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{all 225+ pounds of him}

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Joseph Stachyra says:

is this posting a JOKE.....

I don't think so. But you better hope he doesn't find out what part of
Tunkhannock you hail from.......
I know it's not "cool" to be PC any more, but it is still rude to poke fun
at
folks' weights.

Steve

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Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron

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Hi

"Ron Thornton" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron


With a sailboat the weight of the crew can be add performance , placed the
right place., then my suggestion about the 5meter Cyber-Boat Longboat, also
suggest one of the most stable constructions you will ever se, based on another
design, that will carry 3 grown up round 80 kilo one side, without this realy
toughing the boat.-
That design is the Cyber-Boat Dizzie, that is stable as a rock, ---------- don't
belive me, well there are documentation for that.

Dizzie ;
http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Sk-2.gif

http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Udsnit2.gif


P.C.

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Ron Thornton wrote:

Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron

His post was NOT clear in regards to their weights. I too figured that
teir combined weights were 770 lbs.
He was, however, rude.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

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"P.C." wrote:

Hi

"Ron Thornton" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron


With a sailboat the weight of the crew can be add performance , placed the
right place., then my suggestion about the 5meter Cyber-Boat Longboat, also
suggest one of the most stable constructions you will ever se, based on another
design, that will carry 3 grown up round 80 kilo one side, without this realy
toughing the boat.-
That design is the Cyber-Boat Dizzie, that is stable as a rock, ---------- don't
belive me, well there are documentation for that.

Dizzie ;
http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Sk-2.gif

http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Udsnit2.gif

P.C.

why don't you quit ?


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

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Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?

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Stephen Baker wrote:

Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?

Perhaps (I choose kettle) . Your rebuke is well taken. However, P.C. can
find any excuse to promote cyberboats. I am only surprised that he did
not fold 3-D onto the discussion.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

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"Terry Cano" wrote in message ...
I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

Well I will note that I made no jokes... I did however misread your
post. I am really happy that your wife does not weigh 400 plus pounds!
Now the bad news... I had a guy that was about 225, his wife was 105.
The boat (12 footer) did have a lot of rocker being a sailboat but for
him to sit in the rear of the boat, he needed several bags of sand in
the bow, just one with his wife on board. It made it very difficult to
even hand a soda back to him when I was in the boat. It is *your*
weight that is the problem, you really need a boat big enough for you
to move around in. I still say you will need something at least 16
feet... Sorry to tell you that but anything smaller will be
uncomfortable and unstable to move around in, board, sail, etc...
Scotty from SmallBoats.com

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"Terry Cano" writes:
snip

I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal.
snip

here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to
figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula

Bottom line, you can't get there from here.

At 310 lbs, you have two (2) options:

1) Start looking at larger boats.

2) Take off about 60-80 lbs if you only want a smaller boat.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but the above is reality.

BTW, my weight has nothing to do with the choice I made for the boat I'm
buildingG.

HTH


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures

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Dazed says:

I am only surprised that he did
not fold 3-D onto the discussion.

heh heh! So was I ;-)

Steve

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Terry,
I try NOT to 'assume' ANYTHING !!

My reasoning for the response was simply that a LOT of people a) DON'T
have a since of reality, and b} feel that if 'something' is read on the
internet, it *must* be real.

A local Club I recently joined {one the Delaware River in the
Philadelphia area - in existence since the Civil War}, is so EMPHATIC
about safety that they INSIST that members or visitors {ESPECIALLY
children} wear PDF's even on the floating DOCK !!

While my background started in Atlantic City, NJ, and has a few years of
'sea time', it is not quite as 'adventurous' as yours. However, I don't
get your comment about . . . "You guys are making me wonder about the
boat building community." I may not build as many boats as some others,
or have a HIN 'assigned' to my shop, but I am familiar with the concept
of 'Peculinary {spl?}Liability' and how litigious our society has
become. In addition there is the simple and general concern for the
safety of the 'sport' of 'water-borne activity'. I don't want to get
into a discussion of how 'PC' it has become to get the 'Government'
involved in EVERY aspect of people's lives - just because no one seems
to want to accept the concept of 'Personal Responsibility for Personal
Activity'.

I didn't intend to insult anyone, if I did, I apologize . . . but not
for my comments to the 'general readership'. I don't mind this type of
discussions; my only regret is that it can't be continued face-to-face
over a pot of good coffee, or some chilled wine.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Ron Magen"
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 14:59
Subject: Where can I find info?


Reality is is known to me since I was raised in Key West and had
boats in
the Atlantic since I was 11.
My dad and I built a 14' Skiff which was amongst many of the boats we
owned
unfortunately at 10 you don't really appreciate the experience.
Also, I did more than a few days on shrimpers and crawfish boats
pulling
traps. I also spent many hours with the Mel Fisher family on their
boats
since I went to school with his sons.
Unfortunately, I wasn't interested in designing/building a boat and
saw it
as employment and social adventure.
I may ask a dumb question or two but don't assume I know nothing of
boats
You guys are making me wonder about the boat building community.

Terry






----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Magen"
Newsgroups: rec.boats.building
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Where can I find info?


Steve,
Maybe not a joke, but if this guy is for real . . SOMEBODY has to
get
through to him about REALITY.

I've seen people who have no concept of physics, or common sense,
over
load
a small boat BEYOND 'dangerous'. It's one thing when they are rather
fit
people & their kids . . . there is the possibility of survival
re-boarding
a
flipped or swamped boat.

On the other hand, I helped a gentleman get his wife aboard a 20 ft.
{or
so}
powerboat . . when she went over the side AT THE DOCK. She was TWICE
his
size, and he was of average fitness & size. I helped by showing &
telling
him WHAT and HOW to do it. Although he had already gone into the
water
{leaving two small children aboard} he could NEVER have pushed her
aboard.
If it had happened 'in a seaway' or out on the Delaware {with it's
6-7
knot
current} they would probably BOTH have drowned. NEITHER was wearing
a PFD.

Whether they ever purchased, or made, the emergency rope 'ladder' {I
used
an
extra dock-line}, I don't know. Hopefully the experience stuck with
them.
I
DID give them a stern 'safety lecture'.

As to their feelings; several days later we went to check on our
P-19,
there
was a nice bottle of wine, with a bow around the neck, sitting under
the
cockpit cover.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{all 225+ pounds of him}

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Joseph Stachyra says:

is this posting a JOKE.....

I don't think so. But you better hope he doesn't find out what
part of
Tunkhannock you hail from.......
I know it's not "cool" to be PC any more, but it is still rude to
poke
fun
at
folks' weights.

Steve




"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?

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I didn't intend to insult anyone, if I did, I apologize . . . but not
for my comments to the 'general readership'. I don't mind this type of
discussions; my only regret is that it can't be continued face-to-face
over a pot of good coffee, or some chilled wine.

it is tragic they way it is going. I've just left my college and I've
(unofficially) offered my services to the boat club for repair of rowing
craft and to help out when they attend regattas. I can't offer it
officially, even though as a student I could do all the above, as a
non-student I'm a massive risk. I know that school trips will shortly
become impossible because nobody can take the risk of a private action being
brought against them.

People had to be brought to account for incompetence and idiocy to make sure
that (for example) trips were properly thought out. But too much of it now
is all about the money. As my boss says of two lawyers he knows: "What a
dirty way to make your money" because as he sees it, you're doing your job
when the guilty are set free and the innocent are punished, making money out
of human misery.

All of which is getting far from the point, which is that the necessity of
watching your backside all the time detracts from the pleasure of such
sports and interests as ours. I have to be slightly careful when ringing
round friends to organise canoeing trips, and god forbid I should crash my
car while giving someone a lift...

....anyone have any thoughts on how to rediscover sanity?

Al