You have all seen them, a double barreled syringe for small repair jobs.

I've used them myself around the shop, rather than mess with the pumps, etc.
for simple jobs.

I'm putting together a fiberglass repair kit to keep on the boat while
cruising. Just for the small crack or ding or broken widget.

Not sure how good this stuff really is, compared to West System,etc.

Can I mix it with the fillers, etc.?, will it bond to polyester lay-up for
small hull repairs. I have boxes and bags of scrap cloth, etc. and more
fillers than I will ever use.

The biggest advantage, I see, is convenience and cost. ACE Hardware has
store brand for a couple bucks a tube.

I have also noticed that these tubes seem to survive for several years, even
after they have been opened. I use one the other day that was at least 5-6
years old and it still kicked over.

Thoughts??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Steve wrote:
You have all seen them, a double barreled syringe for small repair jobs.

I've used them myself around the shop, rather than mess with the pumps, etc.
for simple jobs.

I'm putting together a fiberglass repair kit to keep on the boat while
cruising. Just for the small crack or ding or broken widget.

Not sure how good this stuff really is, compared to West System,etc.

Dunno, I've never done a direct comparison, testing the two against each
other. I have used both & prefer West, but the stuff in 2 parallel
syringes does a good job even if several years old (as you noted). Once
I used it for overnight repair of a spinnaker sheet block fitting
(actually, the deck around the fitting) and it was strong enough 14
hours later to race in 20 knot winds. Years later that repair was still
sound & had been painted over & all but forgotten.



Can I mix it with the fillers, etc.?,

Yes

... will it bond to polyester lay-up for
small hull repairs.

Yes... although it should be noted that there are several things you can
& should do to improve the bond.

The doubt that I would have is about quantity, I tend to find I have
only about 2/3 the epoxy on hand that I need for any given job... maybe
I have a habit of letting jobs expand too much.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Steve,
You have a problen with the tubes in that you are stuck (no pun intended
) with the filler that is there and no chance to use cloth.

Stop by BoatWest and look up 382036 with is a six-pack of little
packages. Throw that in a box with pill bottles (labeled) of fillers
and a sandwich bag of assorted cloth patches. Add some clean yogurt
cups, stir sticks and at least three gloves.

You are ready for anything that can be repaired underway.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Pathological Sailor

Steve wrote:
You have all seen them, a double barreled syringe for small repair jobs.

I've used them myself around the shop, rather than mess with the pumps, etc.
for simple jobs.

I'm putting together a fiberglass repair kit to keep on the boat while
cruising. Just for the small crack or ding or broken widget.

Not sure how good this stuff really is, compared to West System,etc.

Can I mix it with the fillers, etc.?, will it bond to polyester lay-up for
small hull repairs. I have boxes and bags of scrap cloth, etc. and more
fillers than I will ever use.

The biggest advantage, I see, is convenience and cost. ACE Hardware has
store brand for a couple bucks a tube.

I have also noticed that these tubes seem to survive for several years, even
after they have been opened. I use one the other day that was at least 5-6
years old and it still kicked over.

Thoughts??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Hardware store epoxy is all I use, but not in syringes, in "toothpaste
tubes" instead. I tried the syringes once and found them too stiff, hard
to work, and wastefull.

I use epoxy strictly for small sealing and repair jobs on the small
plywood boats I've built, when nothing cheaper will do.

I've mixed it with talc (baby powder) and sanding dust for fillers. Works
fine.

I have a package in front of me now. It's called LePage regular epxoy
glue, 2 x 37ml tubes in a bubble pack.

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Steve wrote:

You have all seen them, a double barreled syringe for small repair jobs.

I've used them myself around the shop, rather than mess with the pumps, etc.
for simple jobs.

I'm putting together a fiberglass repair kit to keep on the boat while
cruising. Just for the small crack or ding or broken widget.

Not sure how good this stuff really is, compared to West System,etc.

Can I mix it with the fillers, etc.?, will it bond to polyester lay-up for
small hull repairs. I have boxes and bags of scrap cloth, etc. and more
fillers than I will ever use.

The biggest advantage, I see, is convenience and cost. ACE Hardware has
store brand for a couple bucks a tube.

I have also noticed that these tubes seem to survive for several years, even
after they have been opened. I use one the other day that was at least 5-6
years old and it still kicked over.

Thoughts??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

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Carry some pre-thickened underwater epoxy paste (pigmented so it will
not crystallize the way some clear epoxies tend to do over time). You
can wet out cloth (underwater), fill cracks, chips, glue broken objects,
etc. Use a '5 min version' for cold weather and the 'normal' version for
normal or hot weather. -- know of several 'world voyagers' that carry
these sort of things (and one documented - saved my boat from sinking -
story)

paul oman
progressive epoxy inc
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Steve wrote:
You have all seen them, a double barreled syringe for small repair jobs.

I've used them myself around the shop, rather than mess with the pumps, etc.
for simple jobs.

I'm putting together a fiberglass repair kit to keep on the boat while
cruising. Just for the small crack or ding or broken widget.

Not sure how good this stuff really is, compared to West System,etc.

Can I mix it with the fillers, etc.?, will it bond to polyester lay-up for
small hull repairs. I have boxes and bags of scrap cloth, etc. and more
fillers than I will ever use.

The biggest advantage, I see, is convenience and cost. ACE Hardware has
store brand for a couple bucks a tube.

I have also noticed that these tubes seem to survive for several years, even
after they have been opened. I use one the other day that was at least 5-6
years old and it still kicked over.

Thoughts??

I have seen stated that some of these Epoxies are not supposed to be
exposed to water. Read the label on the stuff to be sure, if it says
that it is not water proof it might break over time when submerged.

On a boat I would use stuff that are supposed to be used on a boat.

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Oddgeir
I'm building a boat, http://www.oddgeirkvien.com/baat

System 3 has a kit with replaceable tubes that allows you to squeeze a
measured amount into any small repair. It has a little more waste than you
may have with he hardware kits but it is good stuff. I have used the
hardware kits with success on non boat stuff.

Brian

From your fine web site:

"Most of the inside of the boat is covered with glass and Epoxy. Due to the
curvature of the inside it was somewhat difficult to get the glass follow
the sides. This I have to sand away and replace with new glass. After the
boat is finished, this will not be visible."

I ended up making my dinghy 20% heavier than it should have been by glassing
the interior. Since then I've read/decided that the fiberglass is only
there to reinforce the epoxy. The boat's strength comes from the plywood.
Only the areas of the interior where sandy feet will be deserve glass.
(Yes, it all gets epoxy.)

I'm still open to discussion on this.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"Oddgeir Kvien" wrote in message
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Oddgeir
I'm building a boat, http://www.oddgeirkvien.com/baat

Roger Derby wrote:
From your fine web site:

"Most of the inside of the boat is covered with glass and Epoxy. Due to the
curvature of the inside it was somewhat difficult to get the glass follow
the sides. This I have to sand away and replace with new glass. After the
boat is finished, this will not be visible."

I ended up making my dinghy 20% heavier than it should have been by glassing
the interior. Since then I've read/decided that the fiberglass is only
there to reinforce the epoxy. The boat's strength comes from the plywood.
Only the areas of the interior where sandy feet will be deserve glass.
(Yes, it all gets epoxy.)

I used pine plywood, and to make sure the sealing is water thight over time
I decided to use a thin layer of glass. I learned on the net that on
pine plywood you might get minor cracks over time if you only cover it
with epoxy and use no glass.

On the bottom of the boat i have used a lot (probably to much) glass and
epoxy on both the inside and outside to make it a real sandwich
construction.

More updates will follow on my page in a few days, I am working on the
deck and the wind shield at the moment.

I have not made up my mind about if I want to have a wind scheild only
or a smal hard top, but I probably end up with only a wind shield. The
hard top I was planing is getting to big and dominating, I don't think
it will look right.

http://home.broadpark.no/~okvien-1/b...p56200001r.jpg

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Oddgeir
I'm building a boat, http://www.oddgeirkvien.com/baat

You're right about the checking of the plywood. Good point.

The "Cruising Conversion" of the Chebacco that I'm building is intended to
be more of a "hard dodger"/sunscreen than any intent to live aboard. I
sunburn too easily.

Crude model at http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm/Chebacco.html
some modules at http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html
and the cause of my delay at
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm/barnTale.html

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Oddgeir Kvien" wrote in message
...
Roger Derby wrote:
From your fine web site:

"Most of the inside of the boat is covered with glass and Epoxy. Due to
the curvature of the inside it was somewhat difficult to get the glass
follow the sides. This I have to sand away and replace with new glass.
After the boat is finished, this will not be visible."

I ended up making my dinghy 20% heavier than it should have been by
glassing the interior. Since then I've read/decided that the fiberglass
is only there to reinforce the epoxy. The boat's strength comes from the
plywood. Only the areas of the interior where sandy feet will be deserve
glass. (Yes, it all gets epoxy.)

I used pine plywood, and to make sure the sealing is water thight over
time
I decided to use a thin layer of glass. I learned on the net that on pine
plywood you might get minor cracks over time if you only cover it with
epoxy and use no glass.

On the bottom of the boat i have used a lot (probably to much) glass and
epoxy on both the inside and outside to make it a real sandwich
construction.

More updates will follow on my page in a few days, I am working on the
deck and the wind shield at the moment.

I have not made up my mind about if I want to have a wind scheild only or
a smal hard top, but I probably end up with only a wind shield. The hard
top I was planing is getting to big and dominating, I don't think it will
look right.

http://home.broadpark.no/~okvien-1/b...p56200001r.jpg

--
Oddgeir
I'm building a boat, http://www.oddgeirkvien.com/baat