a pilot house by any other name
Can anyone explain the difference between:
1. pilot house 2. wheel house 3. dog house 4. deck saloon Thanks, Jim |
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house
is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). No clue on dog house, but my wife says I live there. And I have no clue on what a deck saloon is ...is that just a cooler of beer? Brian D wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone explain the difference between: 1. pilot house 2. wheel house 3. dog house 4. deck saloon Thanks, Jim |
Brian D wrote:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). A saloon is a place where you go to drink (the "living room" on a boat). A salon is where women go to get their hair done. And the terms pilot house/wheelhouse/deck saloon are all pretty much interchangeable. Evan Gatehouse |
Thanks. But what if I like to drink with the ladies while they get their
hair done? Brian "Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message ... Brian D wrote: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). A saloon is a place where you go to drink (the "living room" on a boat). A salon is where women go to get their hair done. And the terms pilot house/wheelhouse/deck saloon are all pretty much interchangeable. Evan Gatehouse |
I believe a dog house refers to the curved enclosing structure over a
hatchway that allows it to have a vertical door. Like the front deck of this boat: http://www.benford.us/index.html?trawler/ |
I can't find it now, but I think I've seen a dog house described as a
shelter over a small cockpit that did not have a hatch accessing below. wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone explain the difference between: 1. pilot house 2. wheel house 3. dog house 4. deck saloon Thanks, Jim |
wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone explain the difference between: 1. pilot house Shed on an upper deck with steering, contols and nav gear 2. wheel house Flasher than 1, and usually incorporated into other structure 3. dog house Rigid cover over forward end of cocpit protecting some of the crew and companionway 4. deck saloon Living room with view while seated, often incorporates functions of 1 1n2 barry lawson |
Never tried it. Sounds like it could be painful!
"Brian D" wrote in message ... Thanks. But what if I like to drink with the ladies while they get their hair done? Brian "Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message ... Brian D wrote: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). A saloon is a place where you go to drink (the "living room" on a boat). A salon is where women go to get their hair done. And the terms pilot house/wheelhouse/deck saloon are all pretty much interchangeable. Evan Gatehouse |
Brian D wrote:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). No clue on dog house, but my wife says I live there. And I have no clue on what a deck saloon is ...is that just a cooler of beer? Brian D You might be right. However, I am building a pilothouse sloop and it's not raised. I would not call it a wheel house, but I think of wheel houses as being raised as well. I think of wheel houses as somthing on a larger commercial boat whereas a pilothouse might be on a smaller workboat or a recreational craft. That is certainly not a qualified definition, however. Al Gunther Kingston, WA ---- 47=B0 48.1'N, 122=B0 30.0'W |
Hi Al. Long time no talk. I spoke with you years ago back when I was
building a drift boat and you gave me lots of good advice. How's that carvel planked sailboat coming? I've built several boats since then, and am now working on this one: http://www.reelboats.com . On the whole 'house thing, how about if we just say "the house" and leave it at that? Seems like the most general answer and not too confusing. I think "cabin" is more confusing personally ...some think it's the cuddy (sleeping quarters in the bow) and some think it's the whole schmo ...cuddy AND house AND saloon. And then there's deck and sole ...which is which, and when does a deck become a sole and vice versa? How about floors? Traditional sailboat fans know what the floors are, but how about everyone else? Are we having fun yet? Scuppers or freeing ports? Seacocks or valves? Motor or engine? Line or rode? Window or 'operator'? Port light or porthole? Oi! Brian D wrote in message ups.com... Brian D wrote: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). No clue on dog house, but my wife says I live there. And I have no clue on what a deck saloon is ...is that just a cooler of beer? Brian D You might be right. However, I am building a pilothouse sloop and it's not raised. I would not call it a wheel house, but I think of wheel houses as being raised as well. I think of wheel houses as somthing on a larger commercial boat whereas a pilothouse might be on a smaller workboat or a recreational craft. That is certainly not a qualified definition, however. Al Gunther Kingston, WA ---- 47° 48.1'N, 122° 30.0'W |
Decks are structural members that complete the box beam of the hull.
The sole is that other flat surface you walk on. Floors tie the frame halves together across the keel and should not be walked on. Roger http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm "Brian D" wrote in message ... Hi Al. Long time no talk. I spoke with you years ago back when I was building a drift boat and you gave me lots of good advice. How's that carvel planked sailboat coming? I've built several boats since then, and am now working on this one: http://www.reelboats.com . On the whole 'house thing, how about if we just say "the house" and leave it at that? Seems like the most general answer and not too confusing. I think "cabin" is more confusing personally ...some think it's the cuddy (sleeping quarters in the bow) and some think it's the whole schmo ...cuddy AND house AND saloon. And then there's deck and sole ...which is which, and when does a deck become a sole and vice versa? How about floors? Traditional sailboat fans know what the floors are, but how about everyone else? Are we having fun yet? Scuppers or freeing ports? Seacocks or valves? Motor or engine? Line or rode? Window or 'operator'? Port light or porthole? Oi! Brian D wrote in message ups.com... Brian D wrote: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the pilot house is a wheel house that is raised. A wheel house is a steering station with hard sides and roof. Neither is outfitted with a salon, keeping in mind that a salon typically means settee and/or table, galley, and the like, and it's sometimes separated from the pilot house, and as mentioned, sometimes on a separate level (even if only different by 6"). No clue on dog house, but my wife says I live there. And I have no clue on what a deck saloon is ...is that just a cooler of beer? Brian D You might be right. However, I am building a pilothouse sloop and it's not raised. I would not call it a wheel house, but I think of wheel houses as being raised as well. I think of wheel houses as somthing on a larger commercial boat whereas a pilothouse might be on a smaller workboat or a recreational craft. That is certainly not a qualified definition, however. Al Gunther Kingston, WA ---- 47° 48.1'N, 122° 30.0'W |
In the old days of sailing, correct terminology was a life and death
issue so every part of a ship and it's rigging had an exact name and the whole ship's complement was expected to know and use this terminology. In today's world, things are mostly different, although when you are in heavy weather and on a slippery deck, it can still be a life and death thing. If you want to call my cold molded hull carvel planked, I don't really care. Carvel planking to me is a traditional plank on frame construction using fasteners rather than epoxy with layers of veneer over it. I think pilothouse and doghouse are generally in reference to a housing for the ships helm and are normaly at deck level. I think of a doghouse as being just the bare essentials and the pilothouse as having more room. My boat is still coming along. The engine is in place and I'm building the cabin and cockpit around it. Al Gunther Kingston, WA ---- 47=B0 48.1'N, 122=B0 30.0'W Brian D wrote: Hi Al. Long time no talk. I spoke with you years ago back when I was building a drift boat and you gave me lots of good advice. How's that carvel planked sailboat coming? I've built several boats since then, and am now working on this one: http://www.reelboats.com . On the whole 'house thing, how about if we just say "the house" and leave it at that? Seems like the most general answer and not too confusing. I think "cabin" is more confusing personally ...some think it's the cuddy (sleeping quarters in the bow) and some think it's the whole schmo ...cuddy AND house AND saloon. And then there's deck and sole ...which is which, and when does a deck become a sole and vice versa? How about floors? Traditional sailboat fans know what the floors are, but how about everyone else? Are we having fun yet? Scuppers or freeing ports? Seacocks or valves? Motor or engine? Line or rode? Window or 'operator'? Port light or porthole? Oi! =20 Brian D |
My bad memory ...carvel planking would imply fasteners, caulking (cotton, oakum, etc), no epoxy. I didn't remember that you were cold molding... my bad ;-) Brian D wrote in message ups.com... In the old days of sailing, correct terminology was a life and death issue so every part of a ship and it's rigging had an exact name and the whole ship's complement was expected to know and use this terminology. In today's world, things are mostly different, although when you are in heavy weather and on a slippery deck, it can still be a life and death thing. If you want to call my cold molded hull carvel planked, I don't really care. Carvel planking to me is a traditional plank on frame construction using fasteners rather than epoxy with layers of veneer over it. I think pilothouse and doghouse are generally in reference to a housing for the ships helm and are normaly at deck level. I think of a doghouse as being just the bare essentials and the pilothouse as having more room. My boat is still coming along. The engine is in place and I'm building the cabin and cockpit around it. Al Gunther Kingston, WA ---- 47° 48.1'N, 122° 30.0'W Brian D wrote: Hi Al. Long time no talk. I spoke with you years ago back when I was building a drift boat and you gave me lots of good advice. How's that carvel planked sailboat coming? I've built several boats since then, and am now working on this one: http://www.reelboats.com . On the whole 'house thing, how about if we just say "the house" and leave it at that? Seems like the most general answer and not too confusing. I think "cabin" is more confusing personally ...some think it's the cuddy (sleeping quarters in the bow) and some think it's the whole schmo ...cuddy AND house AND saloon. And then there's deck and sole ...which is which, and when does a deck become a sole and vice versa? How about floors? Traditional sailboat fans know what the floors are, but how about everyone else? Are we having fun yet? Scuppers or freeing ports? Seacocks or valves? Motor or engine? Line or rode? Window or 'operator'? Port light or porthole? Oi! Brian D |
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