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the game!

Hi

I think it is relevant to explain why I don\t bother ansvering "sal's
dad"

First of all I find that it is not a good thing for his mental state,
obviously this bully think he found a filth joy in harassing somone he
is not very interested in the issue ,what thee group is about but seem
to find great fun creating a usenet hate club making sure to steal the
bread from some poor guy's mouth.
Those of you who follow the group know this, know that this guy's sick
obsession origine from the fact, that Cyber-Boat offer fine boatplans
for free, but vorse of all none of these design are lame off-cut scrap
plywood flatbottom designs ---- so Sal's dad simply think that this guy
is a hippie and he is in his right to use usenet to ruin somones
reputation by cheat and lie
What worry me is that somone find joy and pleasure in such filth game,
at the same time as displaying a compleat lack of knowleage about
boatbuilding and an arogant trust that it is as much joy for others in
this group , -------- realy it was this guy that made sure Cyber-Boat
stopped offering the compleat plans for designs later than the Dizzie
design, why bother offering free plans and get payed back with hate and
filth being some sick persons hate dolly.
Now you are all welcome to judge for yourself, ------ lately it showed
clearly how this guy work ; first he find joy in lie and cheat when I
then show the lie to be what it is , just a tool for a sick persons
obsession , he don't even say sorry I was wrong I was blinded by my
obsession to bully and ruin nice guy's reputation and life, "you did
build these boats I can se that" ----- Oh no instead of looking at the
nice designs he rush on looking to se if he can invent some more filth.
Just short time ago his mental state showed all over the group while
the Tsunami triggered the need for new designs and a helping hand. As
you know I published a design that so many have said is cool and
splendid, but what did this guy say ; all he could do was to air his
sad obsession and instead of discussing the Tsunami-Longboat he aired
his hate against my person , that plenty others have said that the
design look exiting he don't bother, no Sal's dad's mental state don't
allow a helping hand his obsession will not allow --------Sal's dad why
don't you go find some treadment find some help, get your mind from
hate and bullying just look at this group just smell the filth sure it
is hot in hell, but atleast you made it yourself.

Hi

Just to make sure you understand ; I showed the various posts to some
people who acturly know what they are talking about, they said "Per
don't bother there allway's be one sick person blind for fact, somone
who is not interested in what you offer but only is on the web to bully
and collect a group to bully somone.". That someone often is someone
more skilled than themself and you must know that there are sick
persons just waiting to bail out their filth, it is their joy maby the
only joy they find in their life, forget it don't ansver such
charecters it is useless.

Per,
All we have to judge you by is your "Internet persona", you may be the
nicest, most rational guy in the world, but what we see is incoherent
rantings and unsubstantiated claims for your designs. How can we take your
claims seriously when you insist on posting in the way you do?
I`d very much like to see your boats, where are you based? Copenhagen I`d
imagine? Should you ever be in the Århus area, with or without one of your
boats, drop us a mail, maybe we could meet up.
Ps. I post in English as my Danish still isn`t really good enough to make
my point with any degree of precision :-(
Mvh
Bob Larder
wrote:
Hi

Just to make sure you understand ; I showed the various posts to some
people who acturly know what they are talking about, they said "Per
don't bother there allway's be one sick person blind for fact, somone
who is not interested in what you offer but only is on the web to
bully and collect a group to bully somone.". That someone often is
someone more skilled than themself and you must know that there are
sick persons just waiting to bail out their filth, it is their joy
maby the only joy they find in their life, forget it don't ansver such
charecters it is useless.

Hi Pers,

You write "realy it was this guy that made sure Cyber-Boat stopped offering
the compleat plans for designs later than the Dizzie design" . While we
have had occasional newsgroup exchanges in the past, I do not recall this
incident. Would you be so kind as to refresh my memory?

As to your observation "Now you are all welcome to judge for yourself," I
believe we are in complete agreement.

"Sal's dad why don't you go find some treadment find some help, get your
mind from hate and bullying just look at this group just smell the filth
sure it is hot in hell, but atleast you made it yourself." Yes Pers, of
course you are right. ( I have an appointment with my physician Monday; I
will ask for a referral to a mental health specialist ;-)


Until we chat again,
Sal's Dad

Hi Bob.
Before you judge you shuld know a bit about the Cyber-Boat aproach.

I learned the craft have build a number of small boats I acturly
lectured CAD at the boatbuliding school , the designs are the result
of develobing better software , yea I wrote the programs and build the
boats to document the methods but I am not someons puppy I don't like
bad design and building a boat you shuld trust your life, from faul
materials just to feed some stiffnecks Pony.
My work and the bread for my family is two sides of the same coin Sal's
Dad know this so do the Bolger fanatics , but while old fasion designs
never change Cyber-Boat even not one single new design been develobed
since a decade, then the software and the designs are still up to date.
------- Fact is that becaurse of the bullying you se the remains of
here, I closed down the old Cyber-Boat site, I placed a lot of it on
Yahoo as free download but maby that fact is the real cause why new
methods and splendid new designs is not welcome in this group.

TBirdMan1986 wrote:
Looking at the atkins plans i thaught id just give a liitle more info
on what i want. I like these two plans the Calypso and the walter
piel.
I dont care much about flat vs v just want it big enough to carry 6
people. Want it to be powered well enough to travel around 20 knots.
Want it to be able to withstand a lightly choppy day in the bay/ gulf
(West Coast of florida/st petersburg) it would be cool if it was a
minimal cost type of thing but as far as looks and stuff not so
rigid.
Flatback canoe that would fit all those descriptions would be fine.
If
anyone could help me narrow down my search to specific areas ie Dory
ect that would help. if anyone can figure out where i can get some
plans for a boat that i might be interested in it would be all the
better. I also have another question. If i find a boat i like but it
is
only say 14 feet long and i want it 20 and the sides only sit 1 foot
above waterline and i want it like 3 feet above waterline could i
make
it fit those demensions and it still work or no? also i have an older
book that discusses how to build small wooden boats and it says to
use
oakum and coal tar? what are each of these and how do they work? thx


Look here too:
http://www.glen-l.com/

Scotty

On 18 Mar 2005 02:01:05 -0800, wrote:

Hi

Just to make sure you understand ; I showed the various posts to some
people who acturly know what they are talking about, they said "Per
don't bother there allway's be one sick person blind for fact, somone
who is not interested in what you offer but only is on the web to bully
and collect a group to bully somone.". That someone often is someone
more skilled than themself and you must know that there are sick
persons just waiting to bail out their filth, it is their joy maby the
only joy they find in their life, forget it don't ansver such
charecters it is useless.


It is a horribly difficult lesson to swallow, Per, I know: but I
eventually found it goes much easier on ones temperament to suppose
that any critical responder to one's posts ought to be thanked for
paying attention, with some effort to meet the various objections
offered.

There are cases where this approach cannot reasonably be used.
The remedy here, is to stay completely silent on the topic.

If one adopts this approach, flames extinguish almost immediately, and
one gets an unreasonably positive reputation for reasoned
reasonableness.

The alternative - responding defensively, fans flames, and leads
people to unreasonably suppose that one is defensive, even paranoid.

Best Wishes

Brian Whatcott Altus, OK

Hi
Brian you are quite right, this only show that with no real visions in
life, you tend to act your reflections on web --- fact though that you
are only displaying these in your own emagination.

Hi Brian please let me put it more specific. My experience is that in
most groups some dryass usenet fanatic often with least knowleage about
the group issue, display what's in his mind. Bored usenetlesness and
what allway's make me give a strait reply, is that you know the world
would be a better place without them .