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Jack Rogers October 14th 04 12:34 AM

glass tape for an optimist
 
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack

Evan Gatehouse October 14th 04 06:41 AM


"Jack Rogers" -you wrote in message
...
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.


Probably you could get away with 3" wide, 6 oz. tape. I wouldn't go to 4
oz.

You'll save more weight by being tidy, using small fillets and only enough
resin to wet out the cloth. Consider wetting out dry lengths of tape on
polyethylene sheeting and transfering to the boat; excess resin is left on
the sheeting.

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(fools the spammers)

Thanks for any advice!

Jack




William R. Watt October 14th 04 01:33 PM


that's an Optimist, not an optimist :)

Jack Rogers -you) writes:
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack



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Nicholas October 14th 04 10:12 PM

pedant



"William R. Watt" wrote in message
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that's an Optimist, not an optimist :)

Jack Rogers -you) writes:
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack



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Reynaud October 15th 04 12:16 PM


"Jack Rogers" -you wrote in message
...
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack


In a lot of my projects I use ordinary denim cloth in 8 oz. works easier
than fiberglass also stronger.

Rey



William R. Watt October 15th 04 01:20 PM


if Nicholas weren't so *pedantic* he would have seen the humour in
the distinction. think on it a while, son. think. you'll get it.

"Nicholas" ) writes:
pedant



"William R. Watt" wrote in message
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that's an Optimist, not an optimist :)

Jack Rogers -you) writes:
Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack



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Morgan Ohlson October 21st 04 02:14 PM

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:34:51 -0500, Jack Rogers wrote:

Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack


Actually the question is a little strange. Do you like to reduce strength?

Some ways
# use lite weight (thin) glass cloth wich will absorb less epoxi. (all
waeves are intended for ~55%weave - 45% matrix
# use not as wide tapes....

Less glass weight = less reinforcement.
not as wide tapes = possible delamination.

AND ...the chines are the most stressed part of a hull and because of that
THIS is the most stupid place to save weight!


Morgan

Paul Oman October 21st 04 03:07 PM

Morgan Ohlson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:34:51 -0500, Jack Rogers wrote:

Hello--

I'm building an optimist dinghy for my son out of okoume plywood. He'll
be racing it, so its important that the boat come out at the class
minimum weight. Can anybody recommend a glass tape (and supplier) to use
on the seams? I want something light weight that won't soak up a bunch
of epoxy. This is a tiny boat (7.5 ft) sailed by kids, so loads are
relatively light.

Thanks for any advice!

Jack



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use 3 inch wide tape - let the weave of the cloth show thru instead of trying
to 'hide' the cloth weave with coat after coat of epoxy...

I've also just taped the outside of similar small boats and left the inside
untaped (but still smoothed with a fillet of thickened epoxy).

paul oman
www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html


William R. Watt October 21st 04 03:28 PM


Paul Oman ) writes:

... let the weave of the cloth show thru


You wouldn't normally do this on racing boats as any rough surface creates
drag, but on a Optimist raced by junior sailors there will be much more
important factors in the race, like wind directon and trim.



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Jack Rogers October 21st 04 06:02 PM

In article ,
(William R. Watt) wrote:

Paul Oman ) writes:

... let the weave of the cloth show thru


You wouldn't normally do this on racing boats as any rough surface creates
drag, but on a Optimist raced by junior sailors there will be much more
important factors in the race, like wind directon and trim.


Good point--the main reason this boat needs to be light is
psychological. When some kid gives my son a hard time because he's
sailing a wooden boat, my son can truthfully tell him that the woodie is
the same weight as a glass boat, but stiffer and tougher! Some people
spend upwards of $700 on Opti foils. That money would be much better
spent on quality coaching teaching the kid boat handling, tactics, how
to play shifts, etc.

Jack


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