The only thing "great" about that article is how clearly it demonstrates
that some people are too stupid to own a boat...how determined they are
to be protected from their own stupidity and that the rest of us pay for
that protection. Anyone who has at least a room temperature IQ should
know better than to breathe engine exhaust...from a car OR a boat!

Btw...I've owned boats and/or been around 'em for most of my 60 years,
and I THINK my IQ is at least room temperature...but this makes NO sense
me:

"But Glenn Palmer... says he had no clue when refueling his boat...The
refueling mechanism required a running engine...."

I've never heard of ANY refueling system that requires a running
engine...in fact always been taught that correct safety procedure
require just the opposite--that NOTHING be on...not the engines, not the
blowers, nor anything electrical or electronic during fueling. Even
blowers should not be turned on till AFTER fueling.


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http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

In Canada all power boat operators must pass a test and be licenced.
This sopnds like something which can be included on such a test. The
operator of a powerboat boat is responsible for the safety of its
occupants?

Peggie Hall ) writes:
The only thing "great" about that article is how clearly it demonstrates
that some people are too stupid to own a boat...how determined they are
to be protected from their own stupidity and that the rest of us pay for
that protection. Anyone who has at least a room temperature IQ should
know better than to breathe engine exhaust...from a car OR a boat!

Btw...I've owned boats and/or been around 'em for most of my 60 years,
and I THINK my IQ is at least room temperature...but this makes NO sense
me:

"But Glenn Palmer... says he had no clue when refueling his boat...The
refueling mechanism required a running engine...."

I've never heard of ANY refueling system that requires a running
engine...in fact always been taught that correct safety procedure
require just the opposite--that NOTHING be on...not the engines, not the
blowers, nor anything electrical or electronic during fueling. Even
blowers should not be turned on till AFTER fueling.


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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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We're sneaking up on certification here in the States. Little by little it's
becoming part of boating.

It's amazing to me that one needs to pass a competency test of some sort to
operate a car, motorcycle, gun or an airplane but we turn 'em loose open the
water with no restrictions here.

Someday we'll catch up to our Northern Neighbors on this one. (c:


"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...

In Canada all power boat operators must pass a test and be licenced.
This sopnds like something which can be included on such a test. The
operator of a powerboat boat is responsible for the safety of its
occupants?

Peggie Hall ) writes:
The only thing "great" about that article is how clearly it demonstrates
that some people are too stupid to own a boat...how determined they are
to be protected from their own stupidity and that the rest of us pay for
that protection. Anyone who has at least a room temperature IQ should
know better than to breathe engine exhaust...from a car OR a boat!

Btw...I've owned boats and/or been around 'em for most of my 60 years,
and I THINK my IQ is at least room temperature...but this makes NO sense
me:

"But Glenn Palmer... says he had no clue when refueling his boat...The
refueling mechanism required a running engine...."

I've never heard of ANY refueling system that requires a running
engine...in fact always been taught that correct safety procedure
require just the opposite--that NOTHING be on...not the engines, not the
blowers, nor anything electrical or electronic during fueling. Even
blowers should not be turned on till AFTER fueling.


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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:30 -0700, Dan wrote:

We're sneaking up on certification here in the States. Little by little it's
becoming part of boating.

It's amazing to me that one needs to pass a competency test of some sort to
operate a car, motorcycle, gun or an airplane but we turn 'em loose open the
water with no restrictions here.


FYI, as far as I know, any adult who can pass the mandatory federal
background test can buy a rifle in any state in the US without taking any
test. You do need to present ID to pass the background check.

[snip]

--Mac

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:30 -0700, "Dan" wrote:

We're sneaking up on certification here in the States. Little by little it's
becoming part of boating.

It's amazing to me that one needs to pass a competency test of some sort to
operate a car, motorcycle, gun or an airplane but we turn 'em loose open the
water with no restrictions here.

Someday we'll catch up to our Northern Neighbors on this one. (c:

We can't really boast...the PCOC (Personal Craft Operator Card...I
think...my wallet's downstairs) is a pretty basic test that you can
sit for in 15 minutes at a recreational trade show. The Canadian Power
Squadron tests for it in conjunction with their training, and that
makes it a lot better as there's a context of Colregs, pilotage,
safety, even marlinespike seamanship.

The only PRACTICAL boating experience around here is the "Toronto
Harbour Licence", a fairly blatant cash grab by an unelected
"regulatory body" of political lifers, bagmen and other appointees,
squatting in horrid luxury "administering" a Federal port very few
commercial ships now visit. Still, in order to motor about their
"waters", you are supposed to have the Harbour Licence, and it does
require you to demonstrate on your boat or even a Zodiac that you can
dock, reverse under power, pick up a hat out of the water, that sort
of thing.

Half the people sailing, of course, have never heard of it, just the
Coast Guard-issued PCOC, which is currently grandfathered to 2009, I
believe. All new boaters over 12 must have it, and I think no boaters
under that age are allowed to drive alone in anything above a pool
mattress or inner tube G

R.

Money. Taxes in the form of fees and licenses. No thanks. Show me
statistics that prove boating licensing resulted in fewer deaths and
injuries.

Brian


"Dan" wrote in message
...
We're sneaking up on certification here in the States. Little by little
it's
becoming part of boating.

It's amazing to me that one needs to pass a competency test of some sort
to
operate a car, motorcycle, gun or an airplane but we turn 'em loose open
the
water with no restrictions here.

Someday we'll catch up to our Northern Neighbors on this one. (c:


"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...

In Canada all power boat operators must pass a test and be licenced.
This sopnds like something which can be included on such a test. The
operator of a powerboat boat is responsible for the safety of its
occupants?

Peggie Hall ) writes:
The only thing "great" about that article is how clearly it
demonstrates
that some people are too stupid to own a boat...how determined they
are
to be protected from their own stupidity and that the rest of us pay
for
that protection. Anyone who has at least a room temperature IQ should
know better than to breathe engine exhaust...from a car OR a boat!

Btw...I've owned boats and/or been around 'em for most of my 60 years,
and I THINK my IQ is at least room temperature...but this makes NO
sense
me:

"But Glenn Palmer... says he had no clue when refueling his boat...The
refueling mechanism required a running engine...."

I've never heard of ANY refueling system that requires a running
engine...in fact always been taught that correct safety procedure
require just the opposite--that NOTHING be on...not the engines, not
the
blowers, nor anything electrical or electronic during fueling. Even
blowers should not be turned on till AFTER fueling.


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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems
and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

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William R. Watt wrote:
In Canada all power boat operators must pass a test and be licenced.
This sopnds like something which can be included on such a test. The
operator of a powerboat boat is responsible for the safety of its
occupants?

I've long thought that we should require every boat owner to provide
proof having taken--and passed--a boating safety course...and not just
some 20 question test on the 'net, but a REAL course... to be able to
register a boat. No new gov't agency...no licensing...just proof of
comptency to get a "license tag" for it. It would require the
cooperation of every state...but I'd bet the insurance industry would
back it.

Btw...Canada has the best "drunk boating" law on the planet--at least of
any that I'm aware of. No alcohol consumption at all, even at anchor,
on any boat that doesn't have sleeping accomodations. That ensures that
anyone who does drink away from the dock has to stay there long enough
to sleep it off. I wish the US would adopt the same law.

Otoh...am I the only person to figure out that man is the only species
on the planet determined--no, dedicated!--to making sure that the
weakest of our species survives to produce new generations of their gene
pool?
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

Peggie says:

snip common sense

Otoh...am I the only person to figure out that man is the only species
on the planet determined--no, dedicated!--to making sure that the
weakest of our species survives to produce new generations of their gene
pool?

I don't think it's Mankind as such, Peggie - I think it's just governments with
nothing else to do but sit and make laws ;-)

Steve

Stephen Baker wrote:

I don't think it's Mankind as such, Peggie - I think it's just governments with
nothing else to do but sit and make laws ;-)

Most laws are a result of pressure on lawmakers from special interest
groups who have an agenda. If boat builders are forced to eliminate swim
platforms and transom cockpit seating or make hugely expensive
modifications to gasoline engines to reduce CO danger, it won't be
because government lackeys dreamed up the idea all by themselves...it
will be because lawmakers are pressured into it by boat owners who've
killed or disabled their own children through their own stupidity.

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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:32:38 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Btw...Canada has the best "drunk boating" law on the planet--at least of
any that I'm aware of. No alcohol consumption at all, even at anchor,
on any boat that doesn't have sleeping accomodations. That ensures that
anyone who does drink away from the dock has to stay there long enough
to sleep it off. I wish the US would adopt the same law.

Basically, I don't drink...ever...while underway, whether working
sheets or tiller. It doesn't occur to me, just as drinking while
driving or spinning plates or threading needles doesn't occur to me
G

I will allow drinking underway for anyone I don't deem crew...i.e.
"ballast" a.k.a. "honoured guests". G

When docked, I relax. When anchored, I watch my intake closely, and at
least one other member of the crew must watch also, because while I
don't stand "anchor watches" per se, I make sure no one responsible is
so hammered that they can't react if we drag in the night.

Local forecasts are helpful in this regard...G