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Jet Outboard Steering
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:04:37 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "deerelk4x4" wrote in message ... On Sep 25, 2:45 am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: If you ever used a PROPERLY installed hydraulic system, you would never use a cable system again. It is easy to make mistakes so you must do your arithmetic before you buy the parts. In the end, the cost difference is minimal. your assumption of similar maintenance between hydraulic and cable is flat wrong. There is much less maintenance on hydraulic systems. In fact, if designed and installed correctly there is No maintenance, just occasional inspection. Steve "Bob La Londe" wrote in ... As I'm sure you are aware in a lot of bigger outboard applications it can be really hard to turn the wheel under high throttle due to side torque. Its why a lot of (most?) bigger bass boats have hydraulic steering. Any reason you can see not to go with dual cable push pull steering on with a jet lower unit? Obviously push pull cables require maintenance, but so do hydraulic systems. I'm probably going to wrap up the weld & rebuild on The Tin Can Too in the next couple months and I have a bigger project in mind. I already have a decent push pull system laying around from another boat I cut up and threw in the dumpster a piece at a time. Is it recommended to use a cable or hydraulic system with outboard units. I am building aboat that is supposed to have twin 40's and I will need a steering system. which is better and easier to install with least amount of follow-on maintenance. Hydraulics ARE easier to steer with and require less force to use. Hydraulics sized properly for your application will last a long time with minimal maintenance. Repairs will cost more when it is needed however. If you are using counter rotating engines side torque will be less of an issue and with the small motors you are using it won't as bad as if you were running bigger motors anyway. I would still go with a hydraulic steering system if I had no steering system already. Tons of bassers had no issue steering 150 HP motors with cable steering. As the motors get bigger, speed gets higher, and the RPMs climb it becomes harder and harder to turn under power with cable steering. I can't imagine driving one of Allisons world record setters without hydraulics, but I have two boats with 50 HP motors and top speeds of 32 mph and 44 mph respectively that handle just fine with cable steering. With two motors as far as I know they only issue is how you choose to link your motors together. My dad's inshore / light offshore rig has dual motors. I can look at it if you like, but I don't think it is that big of a deal. He is running hydraulic steering, but he as dual 150s back there. I would like to point out that when I say cable steering I DO NOT MEAN a cable drum with ropes and pullys. I mean linear jacketed push pull cables made to handle the application. You seem to be saying that the outboard single push-pull cable is somehow "better" then a double cable drum and quadrant system? If this is correct it is a bit confusing why the single push-pull system isn't used more on sail boats. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that single cable was superior. It is not. I was just trying to point out that for smaller (relatively) outboards single cable steering is adequate, and in another post I referenced that I did not have personal experience with single cable steering on outboards larger than 60HP. Also, I would not have a clue what mechanical issue a sailboat might have to deal with. I have zero personal experience with sale boats... well if you don't count the umbrella trick when operating a canoe. LOL. |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:23:09 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:04:37 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "deerelk4x4" wrote in message ... On Sep 25, 2:45 am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: If you ever used a PROPERLY installed hydraulic system, you would never use a cable system again. It is easy to make mistakes so you must do your arithmetic before you buy the parts. In the end, the cost difference is minimal. your assumption of similar maintenance between hydraulic and cable is flat wrong. There is much less maintenance on hydraulic systems. In fact, if designed and installed correctly there is No maintenance, just occasional inspection. Steve "Bob La Londe" wrote in ... As I'm sure you are aware in a lot of bigger outboard applications it can be really hard to turn the wheel under high throttle due to side torque. Its why a lot of (most?) bigger bass boats have hydraulic steering. Any reason you can see not to go with dual cable push pull steering on with a jet lower unit? Obviously push pull cables require maintenance, but so do hydraulic systems. I'm probably going to wrap up the weld & rebuild on The Tin Can Too in the next couple months and I have a bigger project in mind. I already have a decent push pull system laying around from another boat I cut up and threw in the dumpster a piece at a time. Is it recommended to use a cable or hydraulic system with outboard units. I am building aboat that is supposed to have twin 40's and I will need a steering system. which is better and easier to install with least amount of follow-on maintenance. Hydraulics ARE easier to steer with and require less force to use. Hydraulics sized properly for your application will last a long time with minimal maintenance. Repairs will cost more when it is needed however. If you are using counter rotating engines side torque will be less of an issue and with the small motors you are using it won't as bad as if you were running bigger motors anyway. I would still go with a hydraulic steering system if I had no steering system already. Tons of bassers had no issue steering 150 HP motors with cable steering. As the motors get bigger, speed gets higher, and the RPMs climb it becomes harder and harder to turn under power with cable steering. I can't imagine driving one of Allisons world record setters without hydraulics, but I have two boats with 50 HP motors and top speeds of 32 mph and 44 mph respectively that handle just fine with cable steering. With two motors as far as I know they only issue is how you choose to link your motors together. My dad's inshore / light offshore rig has dual motors. I can look at it if you like, but I don't think it is that big of a deal. He is running hydraulic steering, but he as dual 150s back there. I would like to point out that when I say cable steering I DO NOT MEAN a cable drum with ropes and pullys. I mean linear jacketed push pull cables made to handle the application. You seem to be saying that the outboard single push-pull cable is somehow "better" then a double cable drum and quadrant system? If this is correct it is a bit confusing why the single push-pull system isn't used more on sail boats. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that single cable was superior. It is not. I was just trying to point out that for smaller (relatively) outboards single cable steering is adequate, and in another post I referenced that I did not have personal experience with single cable steering on outboards larger than 60HP. Also, I would not have a clue what mechanical issue a sailboat might have to deal with. I have zero personal experience with sale boats... well if you don't count the umbrella trick when operating a canoe. LOL. Perhaps we should use the term "teleflex cable" rather then single cable. Less confusion. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
news On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:23:09 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:04:37 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "deerelk4x4" wrote in message ... On Sep 25, 2:45 am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: If you ever used a PROPERLY installed hydraulic system, you would never use a cable system again. It is easy to make mistakes so you must do your arithmetic before you buy the parts. In the end, the cost difference is minimal. your assumption of similar maintenance between hydraulic and cable is flat wrong. There is much less maintenance on hydraulic systems. In fact, if designed and installed correctly there is No maintenance, just occasional inspection. Steve "Bob La Londe" wrote in ... As I'm sure you are aware in a lot of bigger outboard applications it can be really hard to turn the wheel under high throttle due to side torque. Its why a lot of (most?) bigger bass boats have hydraulic steering. Any reason you can see not to go with dual cable push pull steering on with a jet lower unit? Obviously push pull cables require maintenance, but so do hydraulic systems. I'm probably going to wrap up the weld & rebuild on The Tin Can Too in the next couple months and I have a bigger project in mind. I already have a decent push pull system laying around from another boat I cut up and threw in the dumpster a piece at a time. Is it recommended to use a cable or hydraulic system with outboard units. I am building aboat that is supposed to have twin 40's and I will need a steering system. which is better and easier to install with least amount of follow-on maintenance. Hydraulics ARE easier to steer with and require less force to use. Hydraulics sized properly for your application will last a long time with minimal maintenance. Repairs will cost more when it is needed however. If you are using counter rotating engines side torque will be less of an issue and with the small motors you are using it won't as bad as if you were running bigger motors anyway. I would still go with a hydraulic steering system if I had no steering system already. Tons of bassers had no issue steering 150 HP motors with cable steering. As the motors get bigger, speed gets higher, and the RPMs climb it becomes harder and harder to turn under power with cable steering. I can't imagine driving one of Allisons world record setters without hydraulics, but I have two boats with 50 HP motors and top speeds of 32 mph and 44 mph respectively that handle just fine with cable steering. With two motors as far as I know they only issue is how you choose to link your motors together. My dad's inshore / light offshore rig has dual motors. I can look at it if you like, but I don't think it is that big of a deal. He is running hydraulic steering, but he as dual 150s back there. I would like to point out that when I say cable steering I DO NOT MEAN a cable drum with ropes and pullys. I mean linear jacketed push pull cables made to handle the application. You seem to be saying that the outboard single push-pull cable is somehow "better" then a double cable drum and quadrant system? If this is correct it is a bit confusing why the single push-pull system isn't used more on sail boats. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that single cable was superior. It is not. I was just trying to point out that for smaller (relatively) outboards single cable steering is adequate, and in another post I referenced that I did not have personal experience with single cable steering on outboards larger than 60HP. Also, I would not have a clue what mechanical issue a sailboat might have to deal with. I have zero personal experience with sale boats... well if you don't count the umbrella trick when operating a canoe. LOL. Perhaps we should use the term "teleflex cable" rather then single cable. Less confusion. But my hydraulics are "Teleflex" LOL. Teleflex is the name of a manufacturer. |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:27:52 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message news On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:23:09 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:04:37 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "deerelk4x4" wrote in message ... On Sep 25, 2:45 am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: If you ever used a PROPERLY installed hydraulic system, you would never use a cable system again. It is easy to make mistakes so you must do your arithmetic before you buy the parts. In the end, the cost difference is minimal. your assumption of similar maintenance between hydraulic and cable is flat wrong. There is much less maintenance on hydraulic systems. In fact, if designed and installed correctly there is No maintenance, just occasional inspection. Steve "Bob La Londe" wrote in ... As I'm sure you are aware in a lot of bigger outboard applications it can be really hard to turn the wheel under high throttle due to side torque. Its why a lot of (most?) bigger bass boats have hydraulic steering. Any reason you can see not to go with dual cable push pull steering on with a jet lower unit? Obviously push pull cables require maintenance, but so do hydraulic systems. I'm probably going to wrap up the weld & rebuild on The Tin Can Too in the next couple months and I have a bigger project in mind. I already have a decent push pull system laying around from another boat I cut up and threw in the dumpster a piece at a time. Is it recommended to use a cable or hydraulic system with outboard units. I am building aboat that is supposed to have twin 40's and I will need a steering system. which is better and easier to install with least amount of follow-on maintenance. Hydraulics ARE easier to steer with and require less force to use. Hydraulics sized properly for your application will last a long time with minimal maintenance. Repairs will cost more when it is needed however. If you are using counter rotating engines side torque will be less of an issue and with the small motors you are using it won't as bad as if you were running bigger motors anyway. I would still go with a hydraulic steering system if I had no steering system already. Tons of bassers had no issue steering 150 HP motors with cable steering. As the motors get bigger, speed gets higher, and the RPMs climb it becomes harder and harder to turn under power with cable steering. I can't imagine driving one of Allisons world record setters without hydraulics, but I have two boats with 50 HP motors and top speeds of 32 mph and 44 mph respectively that handle just fine with cable steering. With two motors as far as I know they only issue is how you choose to link your motors together. My dad's inshore / light offshore rig has dual motors. I can look at it if you like, but I don't think it is that big of a deal. He is running hydraulic steering, but he as dual 150s back there. I would like to point out that when I say cable steering I DO NOT MEAN a cable drum with ropes and pullys. I mean linear jacketed push pull cables made to handle the application. You seem to be saying that the outboard single push-pull cable is somehow "better" then a double cable drum and quadrant system? If this is correct it is a bit confusing why the single push-pull system isn't used more on sail boats. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that single cable was superior. It is not. I was just trying to point out that for smaller (relatively) outboards single cable steering is adequate, and in another post I referenced that I did not have personal experience with single cable steering on outboards larger than 60HP. Also, I would not have a clue what mechanical issue a sailboat might have to deal with. I have zero personal experience with sale boats... well if you don't count the umbrella trick when operating a canoe. LOL. Perhaps we should use the term "teleflex cable" rather then single cable. Less confusion. But my hydraulics are "Teleflex" LOL. Teleflex is the name of a manufacturer. Sure and so is Kleenex and like Kleenex teleflex has become a generic name for a push-pull control cable. As has, to almost the same extent. Morse Cable. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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