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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat.

How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on
the title and/or registration, and can you contact them?

If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the
seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other
details.


If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat,
contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat
with that number.

That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me
anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me
whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that.

Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and
the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get
something accomplished.

The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing
with stolen merchandise.

I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it
right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale
that might help him if things eventually get ugly.

Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold
which would make it hot.
The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a
bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally
own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do
you.
Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal.
You should be looking out for your own ass, not his.

At last, a reasonable man.

Now's the time to either get clear paper to it, get clear of it, or have an
officer turn up at your door with papers and handcuffs wanting the boat and
taking custody of the OP for possession and interstate transportation of a
stolen chattel (Dyer Act, a federal crime), or pay the man when one of the
crazies involved in the plot comes back and sez they want their boat back
and he's out the dough and the boat and may be fined.

Steve

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:55:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat.

How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on
the title and/or registration, and can you contact them?

It still has FL numbers and stickers on it, and a person I talked
to down there said the most she could tell me is that it was last
registered in 2002. She wouldn't give me contact info on them or
even tell me their name, however.

If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the
seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other
details.

I want to keep the boat and register it, not get my money back. I
don't even want to cause problems for the people who sold it
illegally to begin with...all I want is to get it registered in
my name.

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I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to
register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person
must get the title and registration info of the last person who
registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number
of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded)
keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across
state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it
should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time,
up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been
able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal
offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell
me how to contact the person who still has title and
registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and
also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently
don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would
rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and
possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any
suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened
out?



Oh, please! If you're too stupid to buy a boat without blotching the job,
stop bothering, with all the sordid details, those of who don't need our
hand held for every simple task. Buying a boat = a soap opera only if you're
an idiot.

--
Gregory Hall

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I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to
register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person
must get the title and registration info of the last person who
registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number
of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded)
keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across
state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it
should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time,
up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been
able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal
offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell
me how to contact the person who still has title and
registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and
also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently
don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would
rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and
possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any
suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened
out?

Now that you know this information, if you DON'T go to the authorities
immediately, you become a part of it. Maybe there is a way they can get
clear paper for you. Quite a difference between you contacting them, and an
officer doing same.

Steve

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale

That should be good enough for Georgia. Are they refusing to register
the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us?

A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:29:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale

That should be good enough for Georgia. Are they refusing to register
the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us?

A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere.

Um...well, not really.

In CT, the registration stays in "inactive" mode as it's permanently
assigned to any particular boat. I ran into this when I had the Chris
Craft Corsair that I wanted to restore before I found all the rot in
the fiberglass.

In CT, an expired boat registration stays listed to the last known
address of the previous owner. Our DMV will not release that
information until you apply for it or file an FOIA request. That
takes six weeks to "review". Once you get the owner's previous
address, you have to send a certified letter to the owner explaining
that you are now in possesion of the boat and they have to sign a
release. If the letter is returned as undeliverable, then you can
apply for a registration under your own name. The old registration
number is still on the boat though - it's permanently assigned.

The reason is interesting - boats are not subject to property tax in
CT.

Go figure - everything else in CT is. :)

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale

That should be good enough for Georgia. Are they refusing to register
the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us?

A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere.

But the records are on file for long after the registration expires, and
should be available.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:29:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale

That should be good enough for Georgia.

In the "STATE OF GEORGIA BOAT REGISTRATION APPLICATION" it says:

Prior out-of-state registration
current or expired
~use transaction type~
New GA registration

~Required~
Notarized Bill of Sale
with complete vessel information
and buyer/seller information

~Required~
Valid registration card of the previous owner
or letter from previous State registration office

Title (only coming from Title States)

Are they refusing to register
the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us?

They told me to call FL. FL so far hasn't been any help, simply
telling me I need to contact the previous owner. I know that,
which is why I called them, but so far I haven't been able to
find out how to contact the previous owner.

A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere.

.. . . "current or expired" . . .

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to
register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person
must get the title and registration info of the last person who
registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number
of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded)
keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across
state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it
should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time,
up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been
able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal
offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell
me how to contact the person who still has title and
registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and
also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently
don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would
rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and
possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any
suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened
out?

In most states, you can pay a fee for a title search. If they can't
come up with a title or a report on file anywhere about the boat being
reported stolen, they will issue a new title.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:

I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where
the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person
I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone
else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the
title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to
register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person
must get the title and registration info of the last person who
registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number

The Florida Crime Information center.

"Stolen License/Boat Decals Search"
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item...eDecalSearch.a
"Stolen Boats Search"
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item...ayBoatSearch.a

of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded)
keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across
state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it
should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time,
up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been
able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal
offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell
me how to contact the person who still has title and
registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and
also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently
don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would
rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with
"the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and
possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any
suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened
out?