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Update on boat refurbishing:

Couldn't find "liquid nail" in an exterior grade but did find another
manufacturer with a waterproof version of the same sort of stuff. We
installed the ceiling in the forward compartment using it. Hopefully
it will be satisfactory.

I'm into the "ablution" installation phase and currently contemplating
the installation of an electric flush toilet. The base of the toilet
fixture is located approximately 8 to 10 inches above the water line
and there is no necessity for an anti siphon loop in either the inlet
or waste lines. I have been considering installing PVC pipes for both
inlet and waste lines from the toilet fixture to the seacocks with
connection on each end being made with short sections of hose and
clamps.

Given that the cause of most "head Crashes" is the buildup of
deposits, which apparently are mainly caused by urine standing in the
lines, and I suspect that with no loop this will not occur in this
installation is my plastic piped system likely to be satisfactory?

Anyone with experience with a toilet straight out of the boat?

(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
Update on boat refurbishing:

Couldn't find "liquid nail" in an exterior grade but did find another
manufacturer with a waterproof version of the same sort of stuff. We
installed the ceiling in the forward compartment using it. Hopefully
it will be satisfactory.

I'm into the "ablution" installation phase and currently contemplating
the installation of an electric flush toilet. The base of the toilet
fixture is located approximately 8 to 10 inches above the water line
and there is no necessity for an anti siphon loop in either the inlet
or waste lines. I have been considering installing PVC pipes for both
inlet and waste lines from the toilet fixture to the seacocks with
connection on each end being made with short sections of hose and
clamps.

Given that the cause of most "head Crashes" is the buildup of
deposits, which apparently are mainly caused by urine standing in the
lines, and I suspect that with no loop this will not occur in this
installation is my plastic piped system likely to be satisfactory?

Anyone with experience with a toilet straight out of the boat?

(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce,

A moments pause here?

Is that 8 to 10 inches above the waterline - heeled?

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:17:39 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
Update on boat refurbishing:

Couldn't find "liquid nail" in an exterior grade but did find another
manufacturer with a waterproof version of the same sort of stuff. We
installed the ceiling in the forward compartment using it. Hopefully
it will be satisfactory.

I'm into the "ablution" installation phase and currently contemplating
the installation of an electric flush toilet. The base of the toilet
fixture is located approximately 8 to 10 inches above the water line
and there is no necessity for an anti siphon loop in either the inlet
or waste lines. I have been considering installing PVC pipes for both
inlet and waste lines from the toilet fixture to the seacocks with
connection on each end being made with short sections of hose and
clamps.

Given that the cause of most "head Crashes" is the buildup of
deposits, which apparently are mainly caused by urine standing in the
lines, and I suspect that with no loop this will not occur in this
installation is my plastic piped system likely to be satisfactory?

Anyone with experience with a toilet straight out of the boat?

(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce,

A moments pause here?

Is that 8 to 10 inches above the waterline - heeled?


Errrr.... it's a powerboat.

Hopefully it won't get heeled very much :-)

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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....(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles

Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Oct 20, 6:24*am, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:


And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?


If you consider the effect of 60,000 whales dumping in the sea, what
is a few thousand boats going to do......not much. This is one of
those times when the greenies have gone way overboard. Dumping in a
marina where there is little circulation doesnt make sense and dumping
in a freshwater lake that is used for human consumption doesnt make
sense, but anywhere else the impact is minimal to non existent.

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles

Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Take it 3 miles out and dump it.

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"jim.isbell" wrote in message
...
On Oct 20, 6:24 am, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:


And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?


If you consider the effect of 60,000 whales dumping in the sea, what
is a few thousand boats going to do......not much. This is one of
those times when the greenies have gone way overboard. Dumping in a
marina where there is little circulation doesnt make sense and dumping
in a freshwater lake that is used for human consumption doesnt make
sense, but anywhere else the impact is minimal to non existent.

______________
Really big diapers?

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles

Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Victoria, BC is still dumping 38 million gallons per day of raw
sewage in the Straits of Juan de Fuca. Doesn't seem to hurt a thing.
Gordon

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0700, Jim wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles

Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Take it 3 miles out and dump it.

I suggest that you are unfamiliar with the conditions in this area.

My anchorage is located in a channel between Phuket Island and the
Mainland. the tides run at approximately 3 knots during the height of
the flow. The entire channel is swept (normally) twice daily, into the
Indian Ocean to the West and Phang Nga Bay toward the East. On both
the coast of Phuket and Phang Nga are villages, all of which have
runoff from shrimp farms, sewage systems, fertilizer and miscellaneous
fish processing plants, etc., it seems far fetched to suggest that I
and my wife are adding significantly to any existing contamination.

Further, I might add that the marina has a much higher fish
concentration that other parts of the channel - makes you wonder what
fish eat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:57:54 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles
Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you and your family dump in your organic
garden?

The Japanese do... or did anyway. The result was a significant amount
of sewage related sickness. I believe that the Chinese in Taiwan do
also and have, in the past, had the highest incident of hepatitis in
the world...
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0700, Jim wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles
Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Take it 3 miles out and dump it.

I suggest that you are unfamiliar with the conditions in this area.

My anchorage is located in a channel between Phuket Island and the
Mainland. the tides run at approximately 3 knots during the height of
the flow. The entire channel is swept (normally) twice daily, into the
Indian Ocean to the West and Phang Nga Bay toward the East. On both
the coast of Phuket and Phang Nga are villages, all of which have
runoff from shrimp farms, sewage systems, fertilizer and miscellaneous
fish processing plants, etc., it seems far fetched to suggest that I
and my wife are adding significantly to any existing contamination.

Further, I might add that the marina has a much higher fish
concentration that other parts of the channel - makes you wonder what
fish eat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

We have salmon farms here. Enviros will tell you the ecosystems under
the farms are destroyed due to the concentrated fish doo.
Actually, the ecosystem is more lush under the pens and the crab
fishermen set their pots near the pens because it's better crabbing.
A related situation happened when the state tested a nearby bay for
ecoli. The results were very high and the enviros immediately started
calling for removal of the septic tank systems along the shore.
Further testing determined the source of the problem was from feces
from the hundreds of seals and sea lions using the bay.
Gordon

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0700, Jim wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles
Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Take it 3 miles out and dump it.

I suggest that you are unfamiliar with the conditions in this area.

My anchorage is located in a channel between Phuket Island and the
Mainland. the tides run at approximately 3 knots during the height of
the flow. The entire channel is swept (normally) twice daily, into the
Indian Ocean to the West and Phang Nga Bay toward the East. On both
the coast of Phuket and Phang Nga are villages, all of which have
runoff from shrimp farms, sewage systems, fertilizer and miscellaneous
fish processing plants, etc., it seems far fetched to suggest that I
and my wife are adding significantly to any existing contamination.

Further, I might add that the marina has a much higher fish
concentration that other parts of the channel - makes you wonder what
fish eat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

You asked.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:47:10 -0700, Gordon wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0700, Jim wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles
Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Take it 3 miles out and dump it.

I suggest that you are unfamiliar with the conditions in this area.

My anchorage is located in a channel between Phuket Island and the
Mainland. the tides run at approximately 3 knots during the height of
the flow. The entire channel is swept (normally) twice daily, into the
Indian Ocean to the West and Phang Nga Bay toward the East. On both
the coast of Phuket and Phang Nga are villages, all of which have
runoff from shrimp farms, sewage systems, fertilizer and miscellaneous
fish processing plants, etc., it seems far fetched to suggest that I
and my wife are adding significantly to any existing contamination.

Further, I might add that the marina has a much higher fish
concentration that other parts of the channel - makes you wonder what
fish eat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

We have salmon farms here. Enviros will tell you the ecosystems under
the farms are destroyed due to the concentrated fish doo.
Actually, the ecosystem is more lush under the pens and the crab
fishermen set their pots near the pens because it's better crabbing.
A related situation happened when the state tested a nearby bay for
ecoli. The results were very high and the enviros immediately started
calling for removal of the septic tank systems along the shore.
Further testing determined the source of the problem was from feces
from the hundreds of seals and sea lions using the bay.
Gordon

A question that came up shortly after the tsunami here, where quite a
few people drowned and their bodies were never recovered - Should one
continue to eat crabs?

Not to contest the fact that humans are changing the world but I have
been put off by the large number of folks who have sprung out of the
woodworks to defend the environment. Greenpeace arrived in Phuket a
couple of years ago, on their several million dollar sailing yacht and
held a news conference to tell the world that garbage shouldn't be
incinerated due to environmental considerations - when you burn
plastics they can emit toxic gasses - then they sailed off. Never
having commented on (1) what does one do with garbage on an island;
and(2) the fact that the Phuket incinerator operates with sufficiently
high flu gas temperatures to ensure all toxic gasses are consumed,
rather then emitted.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:47:10 -0700, Gordon wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0700, Jim wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Mike Worrall
wrote:

...(No requirement for a holding tank over here).

Now that most of us are cognizant of our environmental impact and
responsibilities, shouldn't you install a holding tank anyway?

MW
Los Angeles
Why?

If I understand correctly, US regs allow the dumping of raw sewage 3
miles out to sea. If this is true what is the environmental impact of
my not having a holding tank?

And if I did install one what do you think I should do with the tank
after it is full?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Take it 3 miles out and dump it.
I suggest that you are unfamiliar with the conditions in this area.

My anchorage is located in a channel between Phuket Island and the
Mainland. the tides run at approximately 3 knots during the height of
the flow. The entire channel is swept (normally) twice daily, into the
Indian Ocean to the West and Phang Nga Bay toward the East. On both
the coast of Phuket and Phang Nga are villages, all of which have
runoff from shrimp farms, sewage systems, fertilizer and miscellaneous
fish processing plants, etc., it seems far fetched to suggest that I
and my wife are adding significantly to any existing contamination.

Further, I might add that the marina has a much higher fish
concentration that other parts of the channel - makes you wonder what
fish eat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
We have salmon farms here. Enviros will tell you the ecosystems under
the farms are destroyed due to the concentrated fish doo.
Actually, the ecosystem is more lush under the pens and the crab
fishermen set their pots near the pens because it's better crabbing.
A related situation happened when the state tested a nearby bay for
ecoli. The results were very high and the enviros immediately started
calling for removal of the septic tank systems along the shore.
Further testing determined the source of the problem was from feces
from the hundreds of seals and sea lions using the bay.
Gordon

A question that came up shortly after the tsunami here, where quite a
few people drowned and their bodies were never recovered - Should one
continue to eat crabs?

Not to contest the fact that humans are changing the world but I have
been put off by the large number of folks who have sprung out of the
woodworks to defend the environment. Greenpeace arrived in Phuket a
couple of years ago, on their several million dollar sailing yacht and
held a news conference to tell the world that garbage shouldn't be
incinerated due to environmental considerations - when you burn
plastics they can emit toxic gasses - then they sailed off. Never
having commented on (1) what does one do with garbage on an island;
and(2) the fact that the Phuket incinerator operates with sufficiently
high flu gas temperatures to ensure all toxic gasses are consumed,
rather then emitted.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

No one uses red meat for Dungeness crabs here. They won't touch it.
Chicken (must remind them of dead seagulls or ducks), clams, and fish
(the fresher the better, forget freezer burnt stuff) are all good baits.
Gordon