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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the
destination?

It's not the journey, nor the destination.

It's how you arrive.

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the
destination?

It's not the journey, nor the destination.

It's how you arrive.


It's not the journey, nor the destination nor is it how you arrive.

It's about BEING there! If you're not there then you're nowhere. You
discover what you want in life and you put yourself there. Doesn't matter
HOW you put yourself there as long as you do so ethically and morally. All
that matters is that you ARE there. Life's too short to abide anything
less.

Simply put - to thine own self be true.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:29:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Simply put - to thine own self be true.

Ah, the irony of that line.

By whom was it spoken? Was the advice he was giving treated by the
playwrite
as wisdom? Or was the advice to be portrayed as empty words from a
blowhard
of no substance?

That particular phrase is thought to have been first penned by Wm.
Shakespeare, of course. But, in reality, he plagiarized it. He paraphrased
2 Corinthians 13:5 (New International Version)

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do
you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the
test?

God Almighty, not mankind, is behind all things.

Wilbur Hubbard

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Frank Boettcher wrote:
All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years
have, for one reason or another, switched to power.


That's because you didn't flog them hard enough.

DSK

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On Oct 21, 3:37*pm, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message

... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them.
http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935
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jlrogers±³©

Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the
destination?

I love being out there far from land with just the wind and your boat
and some dolphins, but I'm not much for sailing *just* for the sake of
sailing (say, around and around the bay). For me, when it comes to
anchorage-hopping, it's more about sitting in the harbor / cove at
anchor, sipping a cocktail, preparing your just-caught yellowtail.

I guess I'm saying that if the journey isn't at all adventurous or
exhilarating, then it has to be about the destination. And for many of
those sailors-turned-power-boaters, I'd suspect that adventure and
exhilaration is, for some reason, our of their vocabulary. And their
destination is just close enough to motor to.

Pants
s/v Chemistry
Lying San Carlos, Sonora, MX
tacotraveler.com

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I can certainly understand that, but I do enjoy sailing in the SF bay, even
when it's not for money. I suppose there are some destination up here that
are worth being at, Angel Island, Sams, the former tends toward zoo status
of lots of powerboaters on weekends (though certainly the majority are
sailboats), and the latter has too many "beautiful" people (who drove there)
sitting on the deck.

In Baja, I definitely enjoyed the destinations immensly.

"Andypants" wrote in message
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On Oct 21, 3:37 pm, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message

... Former sailboat owners
tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them.
http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935
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jlrogers±³©

Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the
destination?

I love being out there far from land with just the wind and your boat
and some dolphins, but I'm not much for sailing *just* for the sake of
sailing (say, around and around the bay). For me, when it comes to
anchorage-hopping, it's more about sitting in the harbor / cove at
anchor, sipping a cocktail, preparing your just-caught yellowtail.

I guess I'm saying that if the journey isn't at all adventurous or
exhilarating, then it has to be about the destination. And for many of
those sailors-turned-power-boaters, I'd suspect that adventure and
exhilaration is, for some reason, our of their vocabulary. And their
destination is just close enough to motor to.

Pants
s/v Chemistry
Lying San Carlos, Sonora, MX
tacotraveler.com




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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:47:20 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:38:49 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:

Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them.
http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935


All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years
have, for one reason or another, switched to power.

Frank


What reasons did they give?

Various. Closest friend moved to Boca Raton because of his job,
bought a place on a canal that leads to the ICW, has a fixed bridge
between his place and the ICW, so power makes more sense to him.

Additionally, when we both lived on the Gulf there were many
destinations, remote and beautiful islands, anywhere from eight to
twenty miles from the dock. Not so where he is now, much further to
decent destinations.

Another friend took up fly fishing, both fresh and salt and bought a
flats boat for that purpose.

Some just admit they've gotten lazy or don't have the time for a six
knot mode of transportation however pleasant.

Many started out racing club or GORC, don't want to commit to go out
regardless of the weather as they get older.

Frank
I've had a couple of friends who've done the
same or are contemplating it, despite the high fuel prices. Basically, it's
a matter of convenience and a better get-there speed for them.

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:11:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Frank Boettcher wrote:
All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years
have, for one reason or another, switched to power.


That's because you didn't flog them hard enough.

DSK

No doubt.

Frank

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"mmc" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them.
http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935
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jlrogers±³©



I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so!
I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they
had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not
mine.


It is not a question of age -it is a question of how strong and fit they
have succeeded in remaining.
Anyway, the article does not prove anything except that Florida is a
retirement area and also not sailboat friendly.
I think a big part of that is that a decent sailboat draws too much water.
I imported a very fine sailboat from Florida which was a good deal for me
because the guy bought it up north and immediately spent a lot of money on
it before discovering that 7' draft rather limits his options in Florida..
They even ran her aground during the survey while going to the shipyard to
haul her out for me.
7' draft is no problem at all in Norway and I do not need to worry about
meeting heavy weather with over 3 tonnes of lead down there

I guess the definition of "decent sailboat" would vary depending on the
sailor and his use for the boat. I had a 17 Boston Whaler "Supercat", a lot
like a Nacra catamaran that drew about 4 inches with the rudders up and was
great for sailing the Indian River Lagoon. Then a 21' Catalina that was also
great in the river. After, a couple (1963, then 1973) 35' Chris Craft
sailboats that were much better ocean than river sailors with each having a
4'2" draft. But I could do the river if the wind was right.
In my 20 years living and sailing in Florida, I've found that Florida is
very sailboat friendly. Maybe not for the kind of keel needed for the North
Atlantic though!

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wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote
Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them.
http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935
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Well, I enjoy our powerboat quite a lot, but it's not like the ones in
that magazine article.


"mmc" wrote:
I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so!
I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they
had
gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine.

It's not necessarily a question of being "too old," it's a question of
what you want to do versus what the boat(s) in question are capable
of. The main thing that motorboats do better is cover more area in a
given period of time.... they go faster (duh). Even a slow trawler
like ours runs at 7 knots easily & comfortably... and thru 4' deep
water, more importantly from our point of view... and if you ever make
a passage like that in a 36' cruising sailboat, you brag about it for
the rest of your life. But most powerboaters want to go significantly
faster than that,even. So if you want to get to Point X within Time Y,
power makes a lot more sense than sail.

If you love to sail, then a powerboat is not what you want. That's why
I have both!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug,
We also have both power and sail.
When I want to just get out on the water and enjoy the day, I sail. With no
destination; just enjoying the boat, the motion, the quiet and the fact that
we have the age old facilities to get from one place to another without an
engine- doing something that requires a little more skill than filling out a
credit application. While sailing my little 41 year old Morgan, speed is not
an issue.
Our other boat is a pontoon that we use for getting from point a to point b.
Generally when we don't have the better part of the day to be on the water.
The pontoon is pretty slow compared to a lot of power boats, I think it tops
out about 22 knots, which is fine for what we use it for.
My point in responding at all is that sailing isn't dead- no matter what the
stinkpot magazine said!
Both our boats are old, the pontoon being a 1997 and require little $$ to
keep them up- bought both cash so no payments. Life is good.