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Sailing is DEAD
Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much
they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© |
Sailing is DEAD
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so! I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine. |
Sailing is DEAD
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© Sailboats are inherently dangerous, more so than powerboats. At a point in some people's lives the risk is much greater than the return or their objectives are greater than what a sailboat can provide. At least these people can still go out enjoy yachting aboard their Krogen 57s and other brand new, high end yachts. It's a matter of convenience. A pilothouse sailboat is a good stepping stone to a full blown motor yacht. |
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"mmc" wrote in message g.com... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so! I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine. It is not a question of age -it is a question of how strong and fit they have succeeded in remaining. Anyway, the article does not prove anything except that Florida is a retirement area and also not sailboat friendly. I think a big part of that is that a decent sailboat draws too much water. I imported a very fine sailboat from Florida which was a good deal for me because the guy bought it up north and immediately spent a lot of money on it before discovering that 7' draft rather limits his options in Florida.. They even ran her aground during the survey while going to the shipyard to haul her out for me. 7' draft is no problem at all in Norway and I do not need to worry about meeting heavy weather with over 3 tonnes of lead down there |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote
Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- Well, I enjoy our powerboat quite a lot, but it's not like the ones in that magazine article. "mmc" wrote: I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so! I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine. It's not necessarily a question of being "too old," it's a question of what you want to do versus what the boat(s) in question are capable of. The main thing that motorboats do better is cover more area in a given period of time.... they go faster (duh). Even a slow trawler like ours runs at 7 knots easily & comfortably... and thru 4' deep water, more importantly from our point of view... and if you ever make a passage like that in a 36' cruising sailboat, you brag about it for the rest of your life. But most powerboaters want to go significantly faster than that,even. So if you want to get to Point X within Time Y, power makes a lot more sense than sail. If you love to sail, then a powerboat is not what you want. That's why I have both! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© I didn't read the whole article, but it seems to me that a ragbagger who switches to a stinkpot is much more likely to observe the rules of the road and the obligations a powerboat has vs. someone who moved from a motorcycle to a powerboat. I can certainly see why some would switch to power. It has its allure, especially when you get older. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:38:49 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote: Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years have, for one reason or another, switched to power. Frank |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:38:49 -0500, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years have, for one reason or another, switched to power. Frank What reasons did they give? I've had a couple of friends who've done the same or are contemplating it, despite the high fuel prices. Basically, it's a matter of convenience and a better get-there speed for them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? Old men in a hurry are pathetic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? It's not the journey, nor the destination. It's how you arrive. |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? It's not the journey, nor the destination. It's how you arrive. It's not the journey, nor the destination nor is it how you arrive. It's about BEING there! If you're not there then you're nowhere. You discover what you want in life and you put yourself there. Doesn't matter HOW you put yourself there as long as you do so ethically and morally. All that matters is that you ARE there. Life's too short to abide anything less. Simply put - to thine own self be true. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:29:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: Simply put - to thine own self be true. Ah, the irony of that line. By whom was it spoken? Was the advice he was giving treated by the playwrite as wisdom? Or was the advice to be portrayed as empty words from a blowhard of no substance? That particular phrase is thought to have been first penned by Wm. Shakespeare, of course. But, in reality, he plagiarized it. He paraphrased 2 Corinthians 13:5 (New International Version) Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the test? God Almighty, not mankind, is behind all things. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Frank Boettcher wrote:
All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years have, for one reason or another, switched to power. That's because you didn't flog them hard enough. DSK |
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On Oct 21, 3:37*pm, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? I love being out there far from land with just the wind and your boat and some dolphins, but I'm not much for sailing *just* for the sake of sailing (say, around and around the bay). For me, when it comes to anchorage-hopping, it's more about sitting in the harbor / cove at anchor, sipping a cocktail, preparing your just-caught yellowtail. I guess I'm saying that if the journey isn't at all adventurous or exhilarating, then it has to be about the destination. And for many of those sailors-turned-power-boaters, I'd suspect that adventure and exhilaration is, for some reason, our of their vocabulary. And their destination is just close enough to motor to. Pants s/v Chemistry Lying San Carlos, Sonora, MX tacotraveler.com |
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I can certainly understand that, but I do enjoy sailing in the SF bay, even
when it's not for money. I suppose there are some destination up here that are worth being at, Angel Island, Sams, the former tends toward zoo status of lots of powerboaters on weekends (though certainly the majority are sailboats), and the latter has too many "beautiful" people (who drove there) sitting on the deck. In Baja, I definitely enjoyed the destinations immensly. "Andypants" wrote in message ... On Oct 21, 3:37 pm, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© Why is every one in such a hurry? I thought it was the journey, not the destination? I love being out there far from land with just the wind and your boat and some dolphins, but I'm not much for sailing *just* for the sake of sailing (say, around and around the bay). For me, when it comes to anchorage-hopping, it's more about sitting in the harbor / cove at anchor, sipping a cocktail, preparing your just-caught yellowtail. I guess I'm saying that if the journey isn't at all adventurous or exhilarating, then it has to be about the destination. And for many of those sailors-turned-power-boaters, I'd suspect that adventure and exhilaration is, for some reason, our of their vocabulary. And their destination is just close enough to motor to. Pants s/v Chemistry Lying San Carlos, Sonora, MX tacotraveler.com -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:47:20 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:38:49 -0500, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 All of the people I started sailing with and sailed with for years have, for one reason or another, switched to power. Frank What reasons did they give? Various. Closest friend moved to Boca Raton because of his job, bought a place on a canal that leads to the ICW, has a fixed bridge between his place and the ICW, so power makes more sense to him. Additionally, when we both lived on the Gulf there were many destinations, remote and beautiful islands, anywhere from eight to twenty miles from the dock. Not so where he is now, much further to decent destinations. Another friend took up fly fishing, both fresh and salt and bought a flats boat for that purpose. Some just admit they've gotten lazy or don't have the time for a six knot mode of transportation however pleasant. Many started out racing club or GORC, don't want to commit to go out regardless of the weather as they get older. Frank I've had a couple of friends who've done the same or are contemplating it, despite the high fuel prices. Basically, it's a matter of convenience and a better get-there speed for them. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- jlrogers±³© I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so! I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine. It is not a question of age -it is a question of how strong and fit they have succeeded in remaining. Anyway, the article does not prove anything except that Florida is a retirement area and also not sailboat friendly. I think a big part of that is that a decent sailboat draws too much water. I imported a very fine sailboat from Florida which was a good deal for me because the guy bought it up north and immediately spent a lot of money on it before discovering that 7' draft rather limits his options in Florida.. They even ran her aground during the survey while going to the shipyard to haul her out for me. 7' draft is no problem at all in Norway and I do not need to worry about meeting heavy weather with over 3 tonnes of lead down there I guess the definition of "decent sailboat" would vary depending on the sailor and his use for the boat. I had a 17 Boston Whaler "Supercat", a lot like a Nacra catamaran that drew about 4 inches with the rudders up and was great for sailing the Indian River Lagoon. Then a 21' Catalina that was also great in the river. After, a couple (1963, then 1973) 35' Chris Craft sailboats that were much better ocean than river sailors with each having a 4'2" draft. But I could do the river if the wind was right. In my 20 years living and sailing in Florida, I've found that Florida is very sailboat friendly. Maybe not for the kind of keel needed for the North Atlantic though! |
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wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote Former sailboat owners tell why they switched to powerboats and how much they enjoy them. http://www.motorboating.com/articleH...?ID=1000065935 -- Well, I enjoy our powerboat quite a lot, but it's not like the ones in that magazine article. "mmc" wrote: I know it's true, a motor boating magaizine told me so! I know a few people that made the swap and their reasons were that they had gotten too old for the activities required to sail. Their words not mine. It's not necessarily a question of being "too old," it's a question of what you want to do versus what the boat(s) in question are capable of. The main thing that motorboats do better is cover more area in a given period of time.... they go faster (duh). Even a slow trawler like ours runs at 7 knots easily & comfortably... and thru 4' deep water, more importantly from our point of view... and if you ever make a passage like that in a 36' cruising sailboat, you brag about it for the rest of your life. But most powerboaters want to go significantly faster than that,even. So if you want to get to Point X within Time Y, power makes a lot more sense than sail. If you love to sail, then a powerboat is not what you want. That's why I have both! Fresh Breezes- Doug King Doug, We also have both power and sail. When I want to just get out on the water and enjoy the day, I sail. With no destination; just enjoying the boat, the motion, the quiet and the fact that we have the age old facilities to get from one place to another without an engine- doing something that requires a little more skill than filling out a credit application. While sailing my little 41 year old Morgan, speed is not an issue. Our other boat is a pontoon that we use for getting from point a to point b. Generally when we don't have the better part of the day to be on the water. The pontoon is pretty slow compared to a lot of power boats, I think it tops out about 22 knots, which is fine for what we use it for. My point in responding at all is that sailing isn't dead- no matter what the stinkpot magazine said! Both our boats are old, the pontoon being a 1997 and require little $$ to keep them up- bought both cash so no payments. Life is good. |
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On Oct 21, 9:04*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
I can certainly understand that, but I do enjoy sailing in the SF bay, even when it's not for money. I suppose there are some destination up here that are worth being at, Angel Island, Sams, the former tends toward zoo status of lots of powerboaters on weekends (though certainly the majority are sailboats), and the latter has too many "beautiful" people (who drove there) sitting on the deck. When I was on my way down the coast, I stopped in SF for a month, and *did* take a day-sail to Angel Island. However, it wasn't about the sailing; I took a girl to show off my boat and truthfully my objective was to get laid. (Yes, I remember Bobsprit - hopefully the comparisons end there). Anyway... file under: "exhilaration." I suppose a pretty important factor (outside of adventure, exhilaration, destination) would be "relaxation," which is probably more important to many day-sailors than any of the others, and isn't something power boats can compete with - during the journey, anyway. Pants s/v Chemistry Lying San Carlos, Sonora, MX tacotraveler.com |
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"Edgar" wrote:
Well, I suppose it is not a 'powerboat' as generally understood in this ng, but I do also have a motorboat as well as my sailboat. She is 22' long and clinker built by my father in 1918 in English elm, a wood which has an indefinite life in salt water. I give her plenty of tlc because she will soon be 100 years old even if I am not around to see that anniversary. Originally she had a U.S. made Atlantic twin cylinder engine which was relatively large for its power (7/8 hp?)as it only ran at about 600 rpm. During the ar she was commandeered by the Royal Navy and used for taking sailors to and from their ships in harbour. The family got her back after the war but sadly without the original engine. She is on her second engine since then and has much more power than before and can run easily at about 6 knots. Norwegians love vintage cars and classic wooden boats and mine got onto the front page of the local paper when I brought her here. I love vintage boats too, you tell us all that and then torment us by not showing a photo!! With less than 2' draft I can explore all sorts of places no sailboat can enter. I dunno, our last sailboat could go in less than 2' of water but not much less. I wouldn't do it in places whewre there were rocks & such...come to think of it, wood hulls & bronze props don't like rocks much either.... And I have not doubt at all that your Dad's motor launch is a *much* better looking boat than that sailboat was. Ah well, everything's a compromise! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote: Well, I suppose it is not a 'powerboat' as generally understood in this ng, but I do also have a motorboat as well as my sailboat. She is 22' long and clinker built by my father in 1918 in English elm, a wood which has an indefinite life in salt water. I give her plenty of tlc because she will soon be 100 years old even if I am not around to see that anniversary. Originally she had a U.S. made Atlantic twin cylinder engine which was relatively large for its power (7/8 hp?)as it only ran at about 600 rpm. During the ar she was commandeered by the Royal Navy and used for taking sailors to and from their ships in harbour. The family got her back after the war but sadly without the original engine. She is on her second engine since then and has much more power than before and can run easily at about 6 knots. Norwegians love vintage cars and classic wooden boats and mine got onto the front page of the local paper when I brought her here. I love vintage boats too, you tell us all that and then torment us by not showing a photo!! I will sort some out and come back to you shortly... |
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