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What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt |
Seamanship Question# #41
"Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. |
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On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt Depends on the boat. It's a good place for a ditch bag and an EPIRB on a big boat. Fire extinguisher, too... although I agree with the suggestion that at least one other fire extinguisher be kept aboard at another location. I keep a flashlight, a flare kit, and a hand held VHF just inside the companionway on both of our boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. The first three places are where I keep mine. I do not have a fourth one but it is a good idea. In the anchor locker is where I keep my spare propane bottle as the locker has a drain hole in the bottom leading outside. No point in having the active propane bottle compartment vented outside if the spare is kept in a locker where any leakage goes down into the bilge. |
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On 15 Oct, 21:09, "Edgar" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. The first three places are where I keep mine. I do not have a fourth one but it is a good idea. In the anchor locker is where I keep my spare propane bottle as the locker has a drain hole in the bottom leading outside. No point in having the active propane bottle compartment vented outside if the spare is kept in a locker where any leakage goes down into the bilge. What a good point! I've always kept my spare in a stern locker. Regards Donal -- |
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On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message .... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. You never know in advance where you are going to be, or where you may end up trapped if a fire breaks out on a boat. And don't make the mistake of buying the smallest extinguishers you can find. Those may be adequate in a land structure to get you outside, but on a boat,where your escape options are limited, you need something that has at least some chance of putting the fire OUT. Good comment. So what type of fire extinguisher works best on a boat? |
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On Oct 15, 1:47*pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote: What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt Depends on the boat. It's a good place for a ditch bag and an EPIRB on a big boat. Fire extinguisher, too... although I agree with the suggestion that at least one other fire extinguisher be kept aboard at another location. I keep a flashlight, a flare kit, and a hand held VHF just inside the companionway on both of our boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Good answer Doug. What sort of things would you have in a flare kit? |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Bart
wrote: On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. You never know in advance where you are going to be, or where you may end up trapped if a fire breaks out on a boat. And don't make the mistake of buying the smallest extinguishers you can find. Those may be adequate in a land structure to get you outside, but on a boat,where your escape options are limited, you need something that has at least some chance of putting the fire OUT. Good comment. So what type of fire extinguisher works best on a boat? Depends on what kind of fire you have! On a boat, I would recommend a dry chemical type covering at least Classes A B C. People complain about the mess dry chem makes, but that's a pretty foolish mindset when you are talking about an onboard fire. Class A - for paper, wood, plastic, cloth Class B - Flammable liquids as well as flammable gases Class C - Electrical fires on a powered circuit Class D - Combustible metals (I'll pause here and note that I carry one extinguisher that is rated for Class D fires. It's the one in my anchor locker. If I ever end up with a burning flare landing on my deck, I'll be very glad I spent that extra money.) Class K - You don't hear about this one often. It's specifically for cooking fires caused by fat or vegetable oil. I don't have one rated K. If I owned a restaurant, I probably would have a few of these in the kitchen. Oh... If you have an inboard engine, don't overlook the need for at least one strategically placed fireport. That allows you to apply the contents of an extinguisher without adding more oxygen to the fire by opening any access hatches. A permanent fire suppression system in the engine compartment is an advantage, but relatively expensive to install and maintain. |
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On Oct 17, 6:41*am, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Bart wrote: On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. You never know in advance where you are going to be, or where you may end up trapped if a fire breaks out on a boat. And don't make the mistake of buying the smallest extinguishers you can find. Those may be adequate in a land structure to get you outside, but on a boat,where your escape options are limited, you need something that has at least some chance of putting the fire OUT. Good comment. *So what type of fire extinguisher works best on a boat? Depends on what kind of fire you have! On a boat, I would recommend a dry chemical type covering at least Classes A B C. People complain about the mess dry chem makes, but that's a pretty foolish mindset when you are talking about an onboard fire. Class A - for paper, wood, plastic, cloth Class B - Flammable liquids as well as flammable gases Class C - Electrical fires on a powered circuit Class D - Combustible metals (I'll pause here and note that I carry one extinguisher that is rated for Class D fires. It's the one in my anchor locker. If I ever end up with a burning flare landing on my deck, I'll be very glad I spent that extra money.) Class K - You don't hear about this one often. It's specifically for cooking fires caused by fat or vegetable oil. I don't have one rated K. If I owned a restaurant, I probably would have a few of these in the kitchen. Oh... If you have an inboard engine, don't overlook the need for at least one strategically placed fireport. That allows you to apply the contents of an extinguisher without adding more oxygen to the fire by opening any access hatches. A permanent fire suppression system in the engine compartment is an advantage, but relatively expensive to install and maintain. OK, so we know there are different types of fires possible on a boat. What one type of fire extinguisher would you want to have to cover all types. |
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On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. |
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I keep a flashlight, a flare kit, and a hand held VHF just inside the
companionway on both of our boats. Bart wrote: Good answer Doug. * Thank you. This is a good thread, there have been a lot of good answers. Thank you for returning to ASA and starting these threads! What sort of things would you have in a flare kit? Depends on the boat (sorry to keep repeating that). For our small sailboat, which I have no plans to take out in the "boonies," I have an orange smoke for daytime, 4 hand-held flares, and 4 self-launch rocket flares. For the tugboat, which we occasionally take pretty far afield even if we don't cross oceans, I have a 25mm flare gun with at least dozen rounds including a pack of 4 parachute flares. I have at least a dozen hand-held flares too, 2 orange smokes (1 is old), a signal mirror, a distress flag. Both of these kits have SOLAS rated flares... no insult intended to the USCG but the SOLAS flares are more than twice as bright & effective. More expensive too, but I reckon they're worth every penny if it keeps us from needing them. About the self-contained rockets & launchers... I bought a few of them but did not have a chance to try any until early this year. Then, I had several outdated ones to set off as a yacht club flare practice party. The igniters were soft & crumbly, and one of them had a pull- type striker that failed and had no way to try it a second time. I would take a serious look at these before buying more, get the kind that have a strike-type igniter rather than pull... they are more difficult to set off if you're swimming, true, but it's no good if they fail (or you fumble it, which is very easy) and you can't have a 2nd try. In fact, I'd look at a 12g flare gun before getting more of these. But after using a 25mm flare gun, I have seen the difference and 25mm is WAY WAY better! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Oct 17, 9:43*am, Bart wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote: What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. *I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. Yep, I forgot to mention that I have a bunch of white flare rounds for the flare gun on the tugboat. The flare kit is one of the larger round OLIN cannisters with the "ready" flares, and then a back-up kit of expired flares in a security briefcase under the pilothouse seat. Actually, in an emergency, my plan is to use the expired "back-up" flares first. How often do you need them? *Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. Never needed one, but if I did it would be darn nice to have it! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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A full one.
"Bart" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 6:41 am, wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Bart wrote: On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. You never know in advance where you are going to be, or where you may end up trapped if a fire breaks out on a boat. And don't make the mistake of buying the smallest extinguishers you can find. Those may be adequate in a land structure to get you outside, but on a boat,where your escape options are limited, you need something that has at least some chance of putting the fire OUT. Good comment. So what type of fire extinguisher works best on a boat? Depends on what kind of fire you have! On a boat, I would recommend a dry chemical type covering at least Classes A B C. People complain about the mess dry chem makes, but that's a pretty foolish mindset when you are talking about an onboard fire. Class A - for paper, wood, plastic, cloth Class B - Flammable liquids as well as flammable gases Class C - Electrical fires on a powered circuit Class D - Combustible metals (I'll pause here and note that I carry one extinguisher that is rated for Class D fires. It's the one in my anchor locker. If I ever end up with a burning flare landing on my deck, I'll be very glad I spent that extra money.) Class K - You don't hear about this one often. It's specifically for cooking fires caused by fat or vegetable oil. I don't have one rated K. If I owned a restaurant, I probably would have a few of these in the kitchen. Oh... If you have an inboard engine, don't overlook the need for at least one strategically placed fireport. That allows you to apply the contents of an extinguisher without adding more oxygen to the fire by opening any access hatches. A permanent fire suppression system in the engine compartment is an advantage, but relatively expensive to install and maintain. OK, so we know there are different types of fires possible on a boat. What one type of fire extinguisher would you want to have to cover all types. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Not on the bay... a couple of reasons... first, you'd probably get arrested
until they sorted out what happened... second, if there's fog in the slot, then there's probably a big ship there also. "Bart" wrote in message ... On Oct 15, 11:16 am, Bart wrote: What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bart" wrote in message ... DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare kit since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on the way to France, sometimes at night.. At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although my primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances that some of them were aware that I was there. Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see 6 ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all dead in line astern. It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes. Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them. |
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On 17 Oct, 19:08, "Edgar" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message ... DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare kit since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on the way to France, sometimes at night.. At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although my primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances that some of them were aware that I was there. Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see 6 ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all dead in line astern. It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes. Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them. Hmmmmn...... this is very interesting. I hit the westbound lane a few years ago when they were three deep. I accepted the advice from a very expereinced crewman. He said that we were definitely ahead of a ship that I was worried about. I will never, *ever* take advice from anybody again when I am skipper on a boat. We were fortunate that the ship was keeping a lookout. It changed course when it was only 500 yards from us. Regards Donal -- |
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wrote in message
... On 17 Oct, 19:08, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare kit since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on the way to France, sometimes at night.. At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although my primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances that some of them were aware that I was there. Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see 6 ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all dead in line astern. It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes. Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them. Hmmmmn...... this is very interesting. I hit the westbound lane a few years ago when they were three deep. I accepted the advice from a very expereinced crewman. He said that we were definitely ahead of a ship that I was worried about. I will never, *ever* take advice from anybody again when I am skipper on a boat. We were fortunate that the ship was keeping a lookout. It changed course when it was only 500 yards from us. It's a good practice not to do that. I've, on several occasions, ignored supposedly seasoned sailors' advice about which way to go to avoid shipping traffic in the bay. Once, I had someone actually start to change course and had to remove them from the helm. Another time, I was on a boat where the skipper was being totally stupid about it, so my friend and I just took over, avoided the traffic, and got back to sailing. Didn't hear any complaints, as he just sort of sat there, unsure of what exactly just happened. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Bart
wrote: On Oct 17, 6:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Bart wrote: On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:57:30 +0200, "Edgar" wrote: "Bart" wrote in message ... What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt If you mean 'fire extinguisher' then I think it should be in the after locker in the cockpit (as mine is)and not inside the companionway which may well be full of smoke when you want it. In my opinion, there need to be multiple extinguishers on any boat with a cabin. One accessible in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway, and another just inside the forward hatch. I actually carry a forth one in the anchor locker. You never know in advance where you are going to be, or where you may end up trapped if a fire breaks out on a boat. And don't make the mistake of buying the smallest extinguishers you can find. Those may be adequate in a land structure to get you outside, but on a boat,where your escape options are limited, you need something that has at least some chance of putting the fire OUT. Good comment. *So what type of fire extinguisher works best on a boat? Depends on what kind of fire you have! On a boat, I would recommend a dry chemical type covering at least Classes A B C. People complain about the mess dry chem makes, but that's a pretty foolish mindset when you are talking about an onboard fire. Class A - for paper, wood, plastic, cloth Class B - Flammable liquids as well as flammable gases Class C - Electrical fires on a powered circuit Class D - Combustible metals (I'll pause here and note that I carry one extinguisher that is rated for Class D fires. It's the one in my anchor locker. If I ever end up with a burning flare landing on my deck, I'll be very glad I spent that extra money.) Class K - You don't hear about this one often. It's specifically for cooking fires caused by fat or vegetable oil. I don't have one rated K. If I owned a restaurant, I probably would have a few of these in the kitchen. Oh... If you have an inboard engine, don't overlook the need for at least one strategically placed fireport. That allows you to apply the contents of an extinguisher without adding more oxygen to the fire by opening any access hatches. A permanent fire suppression system in the engine compartment is an advantage, but relatively expensive to install and maintain. OK, so we know there are different types of fires possible on a boat. What one type of fire extinguisher would you want to have to cover all types. As you might deduce from the above information. There is no one fire extinguisher you could carry on a boat that is good for all types of fire. A box of baking soda is about as universal as anything, but it doesn't cover every type of fire. |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT), Bart
wrote: On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote: What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision avoidance. yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT), Bart wrote: On Oct 15, 11:16 am, Bart wrote: What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE, DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY? http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7 This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open waters. I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision avoidance. yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon. Collision avoidance flares are used on some types of aircraft. |
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wrote in message ... I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK, and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision avoidance flares. How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment to have handy. That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision avoidance. A 'collision avoidance flare' is not some hi-tech gismo-it is simply a white hand-held flare which carries no indication that one needs help but is just a way of making sure you are seen. If you sail at night you should always have some aboard. You will find that it is universally used and accepted as a way of making your presence known. However the term 'collision avoidance flare' is wrong and misleading and is not mentioned in the colregs because the specific measures you need to take to avoid collisions are unaffected by the use of such flares. |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:04:32 -0400, said: If I throw a watermelon at the bow of a crossing boat as a warning, is that a collision avaoidance watermelon? I should think the answer is yes. It certainly is no longer lunch. Ok, so this is really, really funny. Thanks! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 22 Oct, 12:04, wrote:
If I throw a watermelon at the bow of a crossing boat as a warning, is that a collision avaoidance watermelon? I strongly disagree with the use of recreational drugs. They do real harm to society. However, I would like to try whatever you are using. Regards Donal -- |
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n Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:00:35 -0600, "Charles Momsen"
wrote this crap: avoidance. yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon. Collision avoidance flares are used on some types of aircraft. Yeah. I shoot them out the window all the time. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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