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[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
http://tinyurl.com/4846kf
United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be thwarted. It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real soon.... Perhaps there is a god. -- Gregory Hall |
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you don't have them for yourself, either. Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper in Crawford, TX: http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290 EDITORIAL Sunday, October 05, 2008 By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith *We Trust Obama **/2008 Presidential Endorsement/* So, how’s that free market economy working for you? This time four years ago, The Lone Star Iconoclast, as the hometown newspaper for President George W. Bush, endorsed Sen. John Kerry for president. Back then, we wholeheartedly believed Kerry would restore order to the chaos of the previous Bush term. Now, we feel called to return for a moment from exile near Crawford, Texas, to witness another presidential election and throw our two cents in... We trust Sen. Barack Obama to be our next President of the United States. But we disagree on so many of his issue positions. For instance, we want our troops out of the Middle East now. We think stronger wages — for all workers foreign and domestic living in America — should replace all future "free trade" agreements. We will support "clean coal" only when Al Gore uses his teeth to pick up the clean end of a dog turd. And we believe that this country needs to accept that Ronald Reagan was a complete idiot. Still, we trust Obama. Why? The junior senator from Illinois has shown us that it is not the world that must change. America must change. For decades, we have listened to money lenders like Alan Greenspan as if we wanted to return to those Paleolithic days before Joseph’s "Seven Years of Plenty and Famine." The next president must do more than let Jesus take the wheel; he must be willing to throw the free market money changers out of the temple. Obama has paid his dues. Given the state of our political system, Obama has still inspired citizens young and old and across religious and ethnic lines during his long-fought campaign. Nobody experienced this phenomenon better than us Texans during our hotly-contested primary season. Any political party would die for that kind of organization, drive, and commitment. Thanks to him, this next election will attract more voters than ever before. Obama believes in you. From what we’ve seen of him, Obama cares about his family and their well-beings. He listens to his opponents and struggles with them to find common ground. He strongly believes that America is at her best when she helps her neighbors get ahead. So for him, this election is not about him. It’s about you. How are you? Are you happy? How is your family? How is work? Are you living better than you were four or eight years ago? Vote Obama. We will enter our voting booths justified on Nov. 4 by asking ourselves "Who do I trust?" Obama’s opponents share the same qualities: anger, cynicism, desperation, and disrespect. Obama has shown us that he is taking a chance at losing this election to earn our trust and share future prosperity among us. He believes that those who receive the greatest material benefit from America should bear the greatest burden of maintaining her. Stay vigilant. The future of America is, as it has always been, in the hands of its citizenry. We would not have it any other way. It makes life more interesting — freakier — even with Barack Obama in the White House. Still, the hounds of fascism are always awake, hiding, hungry, and ready to control. Americans must not choose between liberty and the blessings of food, rent, medicine, and life-sustaining necessities. Such grace is cheap. We must instead nourish our freedom. Now that the Iconoclast/ /has said its piece, it will return to its exile and gather its energy for another day. May you pursue your happiness with hope, grace, love, and decency in community. — Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:36:23 -0400, salty wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you don't have them for yourself, either. And, if you'll notice, the Judge didn't sign that document. In other words, Judge Surrick hasn't ordered Obama to produce anything. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
Stephen Trapani wrote:
It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only Ah, thanks. I was wondering if the exact peak of Mount Stupidity had been been triangulated yet. It seems to be a moving target. democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the regulations that caused this crisis. Strengthened the regulations or strengthened the de-regulation? Considering that we've had 7 1/2 years of a Republican President and 12 years of Republican Congress, blaming solely "the Democrats" (note the capitalization) seems a bit of an over-simplification. Those darn Democrats screw up everything! They even cause warm beer! DSK |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Gregory Hall" wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance -- Gregory Hall http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp If Obama was born in the U.S., he might not have access to his original birth certificate. A certified copy is all he will ever have. In many counties (such as the one where I was born) all original birth certificates are county property. You can have all the copies you want, and the clerk of court will be glad to certify them. What's all this about a "Certificate of Citizenship"? What's an "Oath of Allegiance"? I certainly don't have either of those. Is that one of those black- helicopter things we should worry about? Personally, I'd just as soon not have the gov't require natural-born citizens to clutter up their lives with yet more worthless paperwork. DSK |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 11:17 am, wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote: It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only Ah, thanks. I was wondering if the exact peak of Mount Stupidity had been been triangulated yet. It seems to be a moving target. democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the regulations that caused this crisis. Strengthened the regulations or strengthened the de-regulation? Considering that we've had 7 1/2 years of a Republican President and 12 years of Republican Congress, blaming solely "the Democrats" (note the capitalization) seems a bit of an over-simplification. Those darn Democrats screw up everything! They even cause warm beer! DSK Well, gosh darn, 2005, when congress was warned a meltdown was going to happen it was a DEM congress and it really was the DEMS who opposed doing anything about it. Remember, the president doesnt introduce legislation. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:23:12 -0700, dougking888 wrote:
What's all this about a "Certificate of Citizenship"? What's an "Oath of Allegiance"? If you become a naturalized citizen, the government will give you an Certificate of Citizenship and make you take an Oath of Allegiance. One part of the Berg suit states that even if Obama was born in this country, when his parents took him to Indonesia, he lost his American citizenship, and would of had to be naturalized. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 8:06*am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
.... A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their property. ... A tiny bit more research will show any honest person that neither the numbers nor the history work for the thesis that F&F are the primary causes of the crisis. F&F aren't blameless but dollarwise they are about 10% of the problem at the housing level despite holding about half of all housing loans and the 600 billion (give or take) Alt-A/sub- prime market has been leveraged into a 60 ish trillion dollar problem with CDO, CDO', CDO'' and CDS's. The collateralized debt obligations and their square and cube derivatives and the credit default swaps were all traded in a unregulated market. (still would be if the market hadn't evaporated). For the anti-gov't folks a more defensible argument is that the problem was cause by the Fed juicing the economy for the last eight years. But, the issues run deeper than just that, too. --Tom. |
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"Gregory Hall" wrote in
: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be thwarted. It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real soon.... Perhaps there is a god. -- Gregory Hall So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest *******. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets. Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? Come on! Both these nice Freemasons are all members of the "clubs" that make them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults to be President puppets of the ruling elite. Doesn't matter which one, they'll both do as they are told....or else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders from "them"? Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's sordid past? Because they are being told to....easy as that. ......Just like investigating 9/11 |
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... troll and rants removed I think you should vote for Barr or Paul. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 6:36*am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you don't have them for yourself, either. Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper in Crawford, TX: http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290 EDITORIAL Sunday, October 05, 2008 By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith *We Trust Obama **/2008 Presidential Endorsement/* So, how’s that free market economy working for you? This time four years ago, The Lone Star Iconoclast, as the hometown newspaper for President George W. Bush, endorsed Sen. John Kerry for president. Back then, we wholeheartedly believed Kerry would restore order to the chaos of the previous Bush term. Now, we feel called to return for a moment from exile near Crawford, Texas, to witness another presidential election and throw our two cents in... We trust Sen. Barack Obama to be our next President of the United States. But we disagree on so many of his issue positions. For instance, we want our troops out of the Middle East now. We think stronger wages — for all workers foreign and domestic living in America — should replace all future "free trade" agreements. We will support "clean coal" only when Al Gore uses his teeth to pick up the clean end of a dog turd. And we believe that this country needs to accept that Ronald Reagan was a complete idiot. Still, we trust Obama. Why? The junior senator from Illinois has shown us that it is not the world that must change. America must change. For decades, we have listened to money lenders like Alan Greenspan as if we wanted to return to those Paleolithic days before Joseph’s "Seven Years of Plenty and Famine." The next president must do more than let Jesus take the wheel; he must be willing to throw the free market money changers out of the temple. Obama has paid his dues. Given the state of our political system, Obama has still inspired citizens young and old and across religious and ethnic lines during his long-fought campaign. Nobody experienced this phenomenon better than us Texans during our hotly-contested primary season. Any political party would die for that kind of organization, drive, and commitment. Thanks to him, this next election will attract more voters than ever before. Obama believes in you. From what we’ve seen of him, Obama cares about his family and their well-beings. He listens to his opponents and struggles with them to find common ground. He strongly believes that America is at her best when she helps her neighbors get ahead. So for him, this election is not about him. It’s about you. How are you? Are you happy? How is your family? How is work? Are you living better than you were four or eight years ago? Vote Obama. We will enter our voting booths justified on Nov. 4 by asking ourselves "Who do I trust?" Obama’s opponents share the same qualities: anger, cynicism, desperation, and disrespect. Obama has shown us that he is taking a chance at losing this election to earn our trust and share future prosperity among us. He believes that those who receive the greatest material benefit from America should bear the greatest burden of maintaining her. Stay vigilant. The future of America is, as it has always been, in the hands of its citizenry. We would not have it any other way. It makes life more interesting — freakier — even with Barack Obama in the White House. Still, the hounds of fascism are always awake, hiding, hungry, and ready to control. Americans must not choose between liberty and the blessings of food, rent, medicine, and life-sustaining necessities. Such grace is cheap. We must instead nourish our freedom. Now that the Iconoclast/ /has said its piece, it will return to its exile and gather its energy for another day. May you pursue your happiness with hope, grace, love, and decency in community. — Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith "Now that the Iconoclast has said its piece, it will return to its exile and gather its energy for another day" What kind of Newspaper is this??!! I'm guessing some kind of Communist paper no one reads. they are knocking the Free Market economy. What is the alternative? Government controlled socialism. This paper has no credibility. This problem came from the democrats forcing banks to loan money to paople that couldnt afford to pay it back and then when there was an attempt to bring attention to the problem, they denied there was a problem. Mr Maobama was right there. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote:
"Gregory Hall" wrote : http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be thwarted. It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real soon.... Perhaps there is a god. -- Gregory Hall So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest *******. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets. Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on! Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one, they'll both do as they are told....or else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders from "them"? Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's sordid past? Because they are being told to....easy as that. .....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - McCain has no sorid past. Thats why they are quiet about it. Maobama has done NOTHING to show he is qualified. He doesnt have the balls to take a stand on anything. If you are a socialist or a freeloader, you will love the Obama nation. If you are a true American Patriot, you know Obama will destroy everything that made this country great. But yet...the weak and the ignorant will vote for him. The weak will profit from him and the ignorant will stand there wondering what the hell happened. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 12:12*pm, Bay Boater wrote:
On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote: "Gregory Hall" wrote : http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be thwarted. It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real soon.... Perhaps there is a god. -- Gregory Hall So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest *******. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets. Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on! Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one, they'll both do as they are told....or else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders from "them"? Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's sordid past? Because they are being told to....easy as that. .....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - McCain has no sorid past. Thats why they are quiet about it. Maobama has done NOTHING to show he is qualified. He doesnt have the balls to take a stand on anything. If you are a socialist or a freeloader, you will love the Obama nation. If you are a true American Patriot, you know Obama will destroy everything that made this country great. But yet...the weak and the ignorant will vote for him. The weak will profit from him and the ignorant will stand there wondering what the hell happened.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull ****! mccain has a past and its not good in many ways. this bloody moronic this guy has no stain has got to stop. nether of these two landsiders is a good guy, nether is qualified to clean a bilge. nether has a work ethic and both will turncoat as soon as it gets rough. and the little guy will get cornholed with a sand lubricant like he always has under either of them. at this point its down to a matter of lable not ability. if iut was a matter of ability neither of these jokers would be on the ballot. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On 7 Oct 2008 17:49:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:21:25 -0400, said: Olbermann LOL. Couldn't find what you wanted in Pravda? Attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message again, Dave? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions: Paul. Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed... |
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Bay Boater wrote in news:71a8ebe0-e681-430d-9fce-
: McCain has no sorid past. What vacuum bottle do you live in?? |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:12:12 -0700, Bay Boater wrote:
snip don't you bozos have bigger fish to fry? who has bankrupted your country? |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Paul. Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed... Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I believe they're on many state ballots. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
wrote in message
... On 7 Oct 2008 17:49:01 -0500, Dave wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:21:25 -0400, said: Olbermann LOL. Couldn't find what you wanted in Pravda? Attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message again, Dave? Dave gets his news on Pravda... don't diss him. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 8:06*am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
.... A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) ... As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789 -- Tom. |
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In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Paul. Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed... Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I believe they're on many state ballots. Ron Paul is going on the Louisiana ballot, thanks to our meet-up groups.. -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
In article
, Bay Boater wrote: On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote: "Gregory Hall" wrote : http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be thwarted. It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real soon.... Perhaps there is a god. -- Gregory Hall So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest *******. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets. Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on! Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one, they'll both do as they are told....or else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66 vymfPA Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders from "them"? Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's sordid past? Because they are being told to....easy as that. .....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - McCain has no sorid past. Errmm, have a look at the latest 'National Enquirer'.. after the Edwards scoop, it's got some credibility.. -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you don't have them for yourself, either. Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper in Crawford, TX: http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290 EDITORIAL Sunday, October 05, 2008 By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith *We Trust Obama **/2008 Presidential Endorsement/* So, how’s that free market economy working for you? A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their property. It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the regulations that caused this crisis. Stephen Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory. He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise anyone. I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot. Stephen |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
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On Oct 7, 8:06 am, Stephen Trapani wrote: ... A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) ... As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789 From that article: "Look. There was a culture of stupid, reckless lending, of which Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the subprime lenders were an integral part." Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. That's the problem with market regulation, it creates the need for ever more regulating. Calling this a failure of free market principles is asinine. It's like saying communism would have worked if only the leaders had been smart enough to be more brutal and squelch more of the citizens' rights. Stephen |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On 7 Oct 2008 19:46:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:54:11 -0400, said: On 7 Oct 2008 17:49:01 -0500, Dave wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:21:25 -0400, said: Olbermann LOL. Couldn't find what you wanted in Pravda? Attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message again, Dave? In view of your recent replies to Stephen Trepani, I don't think that's an argument you have standing to make. So, here's yet another case of you attacking the messanger rather than addressing the message. It's your stock in trade because you really have no defense for your indefensable positions. Meanwhile, you regularly try to dismiss the opinions of others by claiming they are attacking the messenger rather than adressing the message. Go stand in the corner with Stephen Trapani. You can take turns wearing the pointy hat |
[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:03:27 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4846kf United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders Obama to produce the following: 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) Birth Certificate; and 2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you don't have them for yourself, either. Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper in Crawford, TX: http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290 EDITORIAL Sunday, October 05, 2008 By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith *We Trust Obama **/2008 Presidential Endorsement/* So, how’s that free market economy working for you? A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their property. It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the regulations that caused this crisis. Stephen Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory. He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise anyone. I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot. Stephen Au contraire. I no longer bother trying to educate you, because you have proven uneducable. Point by point dissections of your nutcase thinking are not worth the trouble. It's enough just to point out that you are an idiot. That's usually enough of a hint for rational intelligent people to "get it". |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:12:21 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote: wrote: On Oct 7, 8:06 am, Stephen Trapani wrote: ... A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily fannie and freddie) ... As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789 From that article: "Look. There was a culture of stupid, reckless lending, of which Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the subprime lenders were an integral part." Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. That's the problem with market regulation, it creates the need for ever more regulating. Calling this a failure of free market principles is asinine. It's like saying communism would have worked if only the leaders had been smart enough to be more brutal and squelch more of the citizens' rights. Stephen There you go again! Bwhahahahaha! |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:12:21 -0700, Stephen Trapani said: Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. Fannie, Freddie and CRA were certainly all contributing factors to the problem. However in the case of Fannie and Freddie the problem arguably was as much a problem of too much oversight of the wrong kind, not too little oversight. Long after the risks had been identified (as far back at least as 2001) you had Barney Frank and Jim Shumer standing on the sidelines cheering both GSEs to buy more and more mortgages so more and more homes could be sold to people who couldn't afford the mortgages, and loudly proclaiming that there was nothing wrong with either GSE. Their protection racket was of course funded by generous contributions from Fan and Fred. Anybody know who the biggest recipients of Fan and Fred's largesse were? Hint: number two chose a former President of one of the organizations to run his vice presidential selection. Why is it people so conveniently have forgotten the root cause of the sub-prime lending fiasco which root cause is energy prices through the roof. For two years the world has been shelling out twice too much for it's energy needs. Americans will continue to put gasoline and diesel in their automobiles and trucks and come the end of the month, lo and behold, there ain't no cash left to pay the mortgage. None left to pay the other bills either - so they charge up the credit cards and end up having even less with which to pay the rent. So they default on their obligations. Fannie and Freddie were the first to feel the effects and now it's permeating the entire economy. But, it was and is the high cost of energy that's at fault for the mess the whole world is in. Ask yourself why the whole world is feeling the same pinch we are in the USA. It's because the whole world is paying the same rip-off energy prices. And why is gasoline still $3.50 to $3.75 per gallon when a barrel of oil has gone from $150 to less than 90 bucks? Logic dictates a gallon of gasoline should be around $2.75 per gallon. It is this continued high cost of energy that has driven up the prices of groceries and other consumer items. All these inflated prices have taken too big a chunk out of the consumers wallet. The mortgage is where the buck seems to have stopped. Not enough left in the purse to shell out that large sum of money. Why is nobody but me aware this obvious root cause? Wilbur Hubbard |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Oct 7, 9:12*pm, Stephen Trapani wrote:
.... Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. ... What market was that? The sub-prime market? The CDO market? The CDS market? F&F bought a small percent of the CDO's out there and when they turned to crap it trashed their books. I'm not going to claim that they are victims since they should have known better but they are in no way, shape or form the "cause" of this problem. --Tom. |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:12:21 -0700, Stephen Trapani said: Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. Fannie, Freddie and CRA were certainly all contributing factors to the problem. However in the case of Fannie and Freddie the problem arguably was as much a problem of too much oversight of the wrong kind, not too little oversight. Long after the risks had been identified (as far back at least as 2001) you had Barney Frank and Jim Shumer standing on the sidelines cheering both GSEs to buy more and more mortgages so more and more homes could be sold to people who couldn't afford the mortgages, and loudly proclaiming that there was nothing wrong with either GSE. So, what you're saying is that the Republican controlled Congress failed to act. Thanks for the clarification. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:53:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: Why is nobody but me aware this obvious root cause? Everyone else recognizes that you're full of ****, Neal. That's a gross generalization. Neal recognizes this, but he's unwilling to admit it. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:53:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: Why is nobody but me aware this obvious root cause? Everyone else recognizes that you're full of ****, Neal. At least the Good Captain isn't the typical, brainwashed American like you, Dave. There is a reason why there's no attribution of blame in the right place for the current severe downturn in the economy. Sub prime lending is getting the blame but there is a reason why sub prime loans stopped being paid down recently. That reason is severely reduced ability to pay because life got really expensive for the consumer in the past two years due to high energy prices. When people, in a relatively short time frame, have to pay double for their energy that money spent limits their ability to spend it on such things as paying down mortgages. Cheap energy greases the economic engine of this economy. When energy becomes excessively expensive (as in twice as expensive) the economic engine sputters to a halt. Expensive energy is the root cause of the dire straights the economy finds itself in. It was only a matter of time and time has now run out. Unless and until Congress gets their heads straight and gets out of the way so energy sources of all types can be developed by the free market until energy prices are once more reasonable the mess we are in will continue. Wilbur Hubbard |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:06:03 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: you had Barney Frank and Jim Shumer standing on the sidelines cheering both GSEs to buy more and more mortgages so more and more homes could be sold to people who couldn't afford the mortgages, and loudly proclaiming that there was nothing wrong with either GSE. So, what you're saying is that the Republican controlled Congress failed to act. Thanks for the clarification. Hey, Jon, you left out part of my message. I'll add it for you: Anybody know who the biggest recipients of Fan and Fred's largesse were? Hint: number two chose a former President of one of the organizations to run his vice presidential selection. Last I checked, it's the Congress' responsibility. Are you planning on answering the question or are you going to try an evade it as usual? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:07:36 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Anybody know who the biggest recipients of Fan and Fred's largesse were? Hint: number two chose a former President of one of the organizations to run his vice presidential selection. Last I checked, it's the Congress' responsibility. Are you planning on answering the question or are you going to try an evade it as usual? Dead wrong, Jon. I guess you didn't quite know where to check. While Congress could impose upper limits on the leverage the GSEs were allowed to use, the responsibility in the first instance to set prudent limits rests on those organizations' management, subject to oversight by their boards of directors, and to any rules established by OFHEO. IOW, it fell right on the shoulder of Mr. Johnson, the guy Obama put in charge of choosing his VP nominee until he was forced out. Your response reflects a common error on the pro-guvmint side--the notion that anything the rules allow is ok, and rules should be pushed to the limit regardless of whether it's prudent to do so. Then when the **** hits the fan the cry is that if was the regulators' fault because they allowed the reckless behavior. That's certainly the Barney Frank approach. Here's the story as related by somebody on your side of the fence. http://affordablehousinginstitute.or...egulation.html Bzzzzt: "The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) carries the oversight responsibilities for the housing mission of the GSEs. Effective January 1, 2005, HUD established new and increasing affordable housing goal levels for the GSEs for the years 2005 through 2008. These goals require that a certain percentage of the mortgages purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac support financing for housing low - and moderate - income families." 2005 - Republicans controlled the WH and the Congress. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:29:02 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: "The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) carries the oversight responsibilities for the housing mission of the GSEs. Effective January 1, 2005, HUD established new and increasing affordable housing goal levels for the GSEs for the years 2005 through 2008. These goals require that a certain percentage of the mortgages purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac support financing for housing low - and moderate - income families." 2005 - Republicans controlled the WH and the Congress. Now read the rest of the article. ?? That is the rest of the article. Are you denying that Congress was in charge? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:15:21 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: ?? That is the rest of the article. Are you denying that Congress was in charge? I'm telling you you haven't a clue as to who is responsible for managing a corporation, including setting an acceptable level of risk for its activities. I think you're out of your depth... time to man the lifeboats! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:15:21 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: ?? That is the rest of the article. Are you denying that Congress was in charge? I'm telling you you haven't a clue as to who is responsible for managing a corporation, including setting an acceptable level of risk for its activities. I think you're out of your depth... time to man the lifeboats! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com This thread seems to have veered off the original-and very interesting topic- and I have been checking all sources to find if Obama was able to produce the documents as ordered but without success. Surely the question of his entitlement to be a presidential candidate is somewhat important at this time?. Does anyone know what has happened? |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:18:23 +0200, Edgar wrote:
This thread seems to have veered off the original-and very interesting topic- and I have been checking all sources to find if Obama was able to produce the documents as ordered but without success. Surely the question of his entitlement to be a presidential candidate is somewhat important at this time?. Does anyone know what has happened? First off, Obama wasn't ordered to produce anything. You can follow the case at the plaintiffs website: http://www.obamacrimes.com/ |
Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
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t... On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:18:23 +0200, Edgar wrote: This thread seems to have veered off the original-and very interesting topic- and I have been checking all sources to find if Obama was able to produce the documents as ordered but without success. Surely the question of his entitlement to be a presidential candidate is somewhat important at this time?. Does anyone know what has happened? First off, Obama wasn't ordered to produce anything. You can follow the case at the plaintiffs website: http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Not exactly an objective source. Try politifact.com: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/ -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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