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OT The big issues in the election
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http://www.businessweek.com/managing...+temp_managing Now, on to the big issues: Seven years ago, George W. Bush and his neocon pals wanted to lead this country in the worst way. Since 2001 they have. Now, nearing the end of perhaps the most disastrous U.S. presidency in history, the Democratic Challenger to the incumbent party should be interviewing potential cabinet members and checking out D.C. schools for his kids, observing the national election as mere formality. Bush has done everything in his power to give the White House keys to the Illinois Senator. But neither candidate from either party has packed his bags or booked a moving van just yet. This race is on when it should be all but over. To a serious minded voter, other than lipstick, pigs and flag pins, this election appears to be about the Big Three: war, the economy and energy. If it were only so, we would read Nov. 5 headlines Nov. 5 stating "Slam Dunk -- Mr. Obama Goes to Pennsylvania Avenue ." Bush and Cheney failed. McCain represents more of the same. Obama will bring us refreshing change. Why isn't Obama just kicking butt? Starting with Issue One, our current fiscal-conservative president spends $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq . A colossal Weapon of Mass Distraction, this war of vendetta not only took our aim off of Osama Bin Ladin but in so doing consumed vast amounts of human capital, effort and national focus in addition to yet untold money and lives. Surely, Mr. Obama has easily made his case for correcting course away from Bush's misguided efforts and restoring in the eyes of the world the respect and admiration once held for the United States of America . Here at home we demand our two presidential candidates to *really* address the failing economy. We ask this as if Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with one another. While this week's headlines are about Lehman and Hewlett Packard, lost jobs, a tumbling Dow and nervous world markets, there's no collective national connection between the failing economy and the money, time, energy and focus -- not to mention lives -- being spent on an ill-conceived war, waged by a dysfunctional civilian-military leadership the likes we have never seen. Again, this should be a simple matter for Candidate Obama to connect the dots and set an agenda for restoring our economy. Another gift from W. Energy independence? The most embarrassing expression of the prevailing "conservative" view came from Rudolph Giuliani, Sept. 3, in St. Paul , Minn. "Drill baby drill," he exhorted, focusing on the short-term divisive answer at the exclusion of any real long-term policy. Much like the VP/phenom who swept the nation, Sarah Palin, Rudy was rude, dismissive and denigrating of anyone who would disagree. Continue to produce and consume, produce more, consume more. The Republicans' creed is indistinguishable from that of any other addict: "I want what I want when I want it." Layup for Obama. Just talk up your sound energy policy that isn't knee-jerk and Johnny-come-lately. Make it three for three for the Democrats. Why is this election so close? Because there is a fourth issue. Virtually ignored, it is ever present, permeating all. "White privilege" is how we as a society accept and endorse long-held prejudices without thinking. No one is immune from the lens of white privilege. It colors everyone and everything including the Big Three as well as a host of lesser and non-issues from college and experience to family and relationships. How we all apply standards and old ways of thinking to our current candidates and issues will be the single largest determinant as to who resides in the house on Pennsylvania Avenue on Jan. 20. Read Tim Wise's article, "This is Your Nation on White Privilege," below. Wise, who wrote White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press), explains how the notion of white privilege is shaping this election, framing issues important and silly, and distorting messages. He is among the most prominent anti-racist activists in the U.S. , having given lectures in 48 states and on more than 500 college campuses. He has trained a multitude of teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for dismantling racism in their institutions. Far be it from me to point out which party cynically uses and daily manipulates white privilege to its advantage. I'm a uniter not a divider. But if you want to say that there is none happier or more at home with white privilege than the party that seated only 36 black delegates (out of 2,380) at its National Convention in Minnesota , I won't disagree. Read it and pass it on. It will color your world. Make you think. For the better. This is Your Nation on White Privilege September, 14 2008 By Tim Wise Tim Wise's ZSpace Page Join ZSpace For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. a.. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. b.. White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug. c.. White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action. d.. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested." e.. White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. f.. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. g.. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful. h.. White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist. i.. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look." j.. White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. k.. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America. l.. White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced. m.. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden. n.. And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain. White privilege is, in short, the problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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OT The big issues in the election
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JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: OT The big issues in the election Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:58:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: lutions Lines: 180 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.133.81.158 X-Trace: sv3-Hc3by3vL+7SkYxBDaTPgiUoKjc/vmjUB4O5qhtWYNktP6sQgTOSs44gGSAOACprJPuuMJZtPeNqoW Mk!zJSK0kQQX/PSz4sTGXLyW0jEa08jsNP+ptGMCROWZh6+qjh6C0eAb0NnPOP+ 6uQL9H4lkGaAU47P!J40ONs59U7WuqPaPJSws3/Ms5lhCZOJsc70= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... First, body language: http://www.businessweek.com/managing...+temp_managing Now, on to the big issues: Seven years ago, George W. Bush and his neocon pals wanted to lead this country in the worst way. Since 2001 they have. Now, nearing the end of perhaps the most disastrous U.S. presidency in history, the Democratic Challenger to the incumbent party should be interviewing potential cabinet members and checking out D.C. schools for his kids, observing the national election as mere formality. Bush has done everything in his power to give the White House keys to the Illinois Senator. But neither candidate from either party has packed his bags or booked a moving van just yet. This race is on when it should be all but over. To a serious minded voter, other than lipstick, pigs and flag pins, this election appears to be about the Big Three: war, the economy and energy. If it were only so, we would read Nov. 5 headlines Nov. 5 stating "Slam Dunk -- Mr. Obama Goes to Pennsylvania Avenue ." Bush and Cheney failed. McCain represents more of the same. Obama will bring us refreshing change. Why isn't Obama just kicking butt? Starting with Issue One, our current fiscal-conservative president spends $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq . A colossal Weapon of Mass Distraction, this war of vendetta not only took our aim off of Osama Bin Ladin but in so doing consumed vast amounts of human capital, effort and national focus in addition to yet untold money and lives. Surely, Mr. Obama has easily made his case for correcting course away from Bush's misguided efforts and restoring in the eyes of the world the respect and admiration once held for the United States of America . Here at home we demand our two presidential candidates to *really* address the failing economy. We ask this as if Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with one another. While this week's headlines are about Lehman and Hewlett Packard, lost jobs, a tumbling Dow and nervous world markets, there's no collective national connection between the failing economy and the money, time, energy and focus -- not to mention lives -- being spent on an ill-conceived war, waged by a dysfunctional civilian-military leadership the likes we have never seen. Again, this should be a simple matter for Candidate Obama to connect the dots and set an agenda for restoring our economy. Another gift from W. Energy independence? The most embarrassing expression of the prevailing "conservative" view came from Rudolph Giuliani, Sept. 3, in St. Paul , Minn. "Drill baby drill," he exhorted, focusing on the short-term divisive answer at the exclusion of any real long-term policy. Much like the VP/phenom who swept the nation, Sarah Palin, Rudy was rude, dismissive and denigrating of anyone who would disagree. Continue to produce and consume, produce more, consume more. The Republicans' creed is indistinguishable from that of any other addict: "I want what I want when I want it." Layup for Obama. Just talk up your sound energy policy that isn't knee-jerk and Johnny-come-lately. Make it three for three for the Democrats. Why is this election so close? Because there is a fourth issue. Virtually ignored, it is ever present, permeating all. "White privilege" is how we as a society accept and endorse long-held prejudices without thinking. No one is immune from the lens of white privilege. It colors everyone and everything including the Big Three as well as a host of lesser and non-issues from college and experience to family and relationships. How we all apply standards and old ways of thinking to our current candidates and issues will be the single largest determinant as to who resides in the house on Pennsylvania Avenue on Jan. 20. Read Tim Wise's article, "This is Your Nation on White Privilege," below. Wise, who wrote White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press), explains how the notion of white privilege is shaping this election, framing issues important and silly, and distorting messages. He is among the most prominent anti-racist activists in the U.S. , having given lectures in 48 states and on more than 500 college campuses. He has trained a multitude of teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for dismantling racism in their institutions. Far be it from me to point out which party cynically uses and daily manipulates white privilege to its advantage. I'm a uniter not a divider. But if you want to say that there is none happier or more at home with white privilege than the party that seated only 36 black delegates (out of 2,380) at its National Convention in Minnesota , I won't disagree. Read it and pass it on. It will color your world. Make you think. For the better. This is Your Nation on White Privilege September, 14 2008 By Tim Wise Tim Wise's ZSpace Page Join ZSpace For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. a.. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. b.. White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug. c.. White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action. d.. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested." e.. White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. f.. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. g.. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful. h.. White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist. i.. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look." j.. White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. k.. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America. l.. White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced. m.. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden. n.. And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain. White privilege is, in short, the problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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OT The big issues in the election
"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... Xref: news alt.sailing.asa:511486 Path: news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.d ca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca .giganews.com!nntp.posted.bayareasolutions!news.po sted.bayareasolutions.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:58:31 -0500 From: "Capt. JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: OT The big issues in the election Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:58:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: lutions Lines: 180 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.133.81.158 X-Trace: sv3-Hc3by3vL+7SkYxBDaTPgiUoKjc/vmjUB4O5qhtWYNktP6sQgTOSs44gGSAOACprJPuuMJZtPeNqoW Mk!zJSK0kQQX/PSz4sTGXLyW0jEa08jsNP+ptGMCROWZh6+qjh6C0eAb0NnPOP+ 6uQL9H4lkGaAU47P!J40ONs59U7WuqPaPJSws3/Ms5lhCZOJsc70= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... First, body language: http://www.businessweek.com/managing...+temp_managing Now, on to the big issues: Seven years ago, George W. Bush and his neocon pals wanted to lead this country in the worst way. Since 2001 they have. Now, nearing the end of perhaps the most disastrous U.S. presidency in history, the Democratic Challenger to the incumbent party should be interviewing potential cabinet members and checking out D.C. schools for his kids, observing the national election as mere formality. Bush has done everything in his power to give the White House keys to the Illinois Senator. But neither candidate from either party has packed his bags or booked a moving van just yet. This race is on when it should be all but over. To a serious minded voter, other than lipstick, pigs and flag pins, this election appears to be about the Big Three: war, the economy and energy. If it were only so, we would read Nov. 5 headlines Nov. 5 stating "Slam Dunk -- Mr. Obama Goes to Pennsylvania Avenue ." Bush and Cheney failed. McCain represents more of the same. Obama will bring us refreshing change. Why isn't Obama just kicking butt? Starting with Issue One, our current fiscal-conservative president spends $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq . A colossal Weapon of Mass Distraction, this war of vendetta not only took our aim off of Osama Bin Ladin but in so doing consumed vast amounts of human capital, effort and national focus in addition to yet untold money and lives. Surely, Mr. Obama has easily made his case for correcting course away from Bush's misguided efforts and restoring in the eyes of the world the respect and admiration once held for the United States of America . Here at home we demand our two presidential candidates to *really* address the failing economy. We ask this as if Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with one another. While this week's headlines are about Lehman and Hewlett Packard, lost jobs, a tumbling Dow and nervous world markets, there's no collective national connection between the failing economy and the money, time, energy and focus -- not to mention lives -- being spent on an ill-conceived war, waged by a dysfunctional civilian-military leadership the likes we have never seen. Again, this should be a simple matter for Candidate Obama to connect the dots and set an agenda for restoring our economy. Another gift from W. Energy independence? The most embarrassing expression of the prevailing "conservative" view came from Rudolph Giuliani, Sept. 3, in St. Paul , Minn. "Drill baby drill," he exhorted, focusing on the short-term divisive answer at the exclusion of any real long-term policy. Much like the VP/phenom who swept the nation, Sarah Palin, Rudy was rude, dismissive and denigrating of anyone who would disagree. Continue to produce and consume, produce more, consume more. The Republicans' creed is indistinguishable from that of any other addict: "I want what I want when I want it." Layup for Obama. Just talk up your sound energy policy that isn't knee-jerk and Johnny-come-lately. Make it three for three for the Democrats. Why is this election so close? Because there is a fourth issue. Virtually ignored, it is ever present, permeating all. "White privilege" is how we as a society accept and endorse long-held prejudices without thinking. No one is immune from the lens of white privilege. It colors everyone and everything including the Big Three as well as a host of lesser and non-issues from college and experience to family and relationships. How we all apply standards and old ways of thinking to our current candidates and issues will be the single largest determinant as to who resides in the house on Pennsylvania Avenue on Jan. 20. Read Tim Wise's article, "This is Your Nation on White Privilege," below. Wise, who wrote White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press), explains how the notion of white privilege is shaping this election, framing issues important and silly, and distorting messages. He is among the most prominent anti-racist activists in the U.S. , having given lectures in 48 states and on more than 500 college campuses. He has trained a multitude of teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for dismantling racism in their institutions. Far be it from me to point out which party cynically uses and daily manipulates white privilege to its advantage. I'm a uniter not a divider. But if you want to say that there is none happier or more at home with white privilege than the party that seated only 36 black delegates (out of 2,380) at its National Convention in Minnesota , I won't disagree. Read it and pass it on. It will color your world. Make you think. For the better. This is Your Nation on White Privilege September, 14 2008 By Tim Wise Tim Wise's ZSpace Page Join ZSpace For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. a.. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. b.. White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug. c.. White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action. d.. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested." e.. White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. f.. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. g.. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful. h.. White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist. i.. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look." j.. White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. k.. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America. l.. White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced. m.. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden. n.. And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. 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JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: OT The big issues in the election Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:58:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: lutions Lines: 180 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.133.81.158 X-Trace: sv3-Hc3by3vL+7SkYxBDaTPgiUoKjc/vmjUB4O5qhtWYNktP6sQgTOSs44gGSAOACprJPuuMJZtPeNqoW Mk!zJSK0kQQX/PSz4sTGXLyW0jEa08jsNP+ptGMCROWZh6+qjh6C0eAb0NnPOP+ 6uQL9H4lkGaAU47P!J40ONs59U7WuqPaPJSws3/Ms5lhCZOJsc70= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 First, body language: http://www.businessweek.com/managing...+temp_managing Now, on to the big issues: Seven years ago, George W. Bush and his neocon pals wanted to lead this country in the worst way. Since 2001 they have. Now, nearing the end of perhaps the most disastrous U.S. presidency in history, the Democratic Challenger to the incumbent party should be interviewing potential cabinet members and checking out D.C. schools for his kids, observing the national election as mere formality. Bush has done everything in his power to give the White House keys to the Illinois Senator. But neither candidate from either party has packed his bags or booked a moving van just yet. This race is on when it should be all but over. To a serious minded voter, other than lipstick, pigs and flag pins, this election appears to be about the Big Three: war, the economy and energy. If it were only so, we would read Nov. 5 headlines Nov. 5 stating "Slam Dunk -- Mr. Obama Goes to Pennsylvania Avenue ." Bush and Cheney failed. McCain represents more of the same. Obama will bring us refreshing change. Why isn't Obama just kicking butt? Starting with Issue One, our current fiscal-conservative president spends $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq . A colossal Weapon of Mass Distraction, this war of vendetta not only took our aim off of Osama Bin Ladin but in so doing consumed vast amounts of human capital, effort and national focus in addition to yet untold money and lives. Surely, Mr. Obama has easily made his case for correcting course away from Bush's misguided efforts and restoring in the eyes of the world the respect and admiration once held for the United States of America . Here at home we demand our two presidential candidates to *really* address the failing economy. We ask this as if Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with one another. While this week's headlines are about Lehman and Hewlett Packard, lost jobs, a tumbling Dow and nervous world markets, there's no collective national connection between the failing economy and the money, time, energy and focus -- not to mention lives -- being spent on an ill-conceived war, waged by a dysfunctional civilian-military leadership the likes we have never seen. Again, this should be a simple matter for Candidate Obama to connect the dots and set an agenda for restoring our economy. Another gift from W. Energy independence? The most embarrassing expression of the prevailing "conservative" view came from Rudolph Giuliani, Sept. 3, in St. Paul , Minn. "Drill baby drill," he exhorted, focusing on the short-term divisive answer at the exclusion of any real long-term policy. Much like the VP/phenom who swept the nation, Sarah Palin, Rudy was rude, dismissive and denigrating of anyone who would disagree. Continue to produce and consume, produce more, consume more. The Republicans' creed is indistinguishable from that of any other addict: "I want what I want when I want it." Layup for Obama. Just talk up your sound energy policy that isn't knee-jerk and Johnny-come-lately. Make it three for three for the Democrats. Why is this election so close? Because there is a fourth issue. Virtually ignored, it is ever present, permeating all. "White privilege" is how we as a society accept and endorse long-held prejudices without thinking. No one is immune from the lens of white privilege. It colors everyone and everything including the Big Three as well as a host of lesser and non-issues from college and experience to family and relationships. How we all apply standards and old ways of thinking to our current candidates and issues will be the single largest determinant as to who resides in the house on Pennsylvania Avenue on Jan. 20. Read Tim Wise's article, "This is Your Nation on White Privilege," below. Wise, who wrote White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press), explains how the notion of white privilege is shaping this election, framing issues important and silly, and distorting messages. He is among the most prominent anti-racist activists in the U.S. , having given lectures in 48 states and on more than 500 college campuses. He has trained a multitude of teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for dismantling racism in their institutions. Far be it from me to point out which party cynically uses and daily manipulates white privilege to its advantage. I'm a uniter not a divider. But if you want to say that there is none happier or more at home with white privilege than the party that seated only 36 black delegates (out of 2,380) at its National Convention in Minnesota , I won't disagree. Read it and pass it on. It will color your world. Make you think. For the better. This is Your Nation on White Privilege September, 14 2008 By Tim Wise Tim Wise's ZSpace Page Join ZSpace For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. a.. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. b.. White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug. c.. White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action. d.. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested." e.. White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. f.. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. g.. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful. h.. White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist. i.. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look." j.. White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. k.. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America. l.. White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced. m.. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden. n.. And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. 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"Norman Nessio" wrote in message ... From the Giganews website AUP/TOS: Off-Topic Posting Nearly every newsgroup has a stated topic or acceptable range of topics for posting or discussion. Blatant disregard of the intended subject matter in a newsgroup will be treated as abusive posting. Posting off topic material in large volume or with apparent malicious intent will lead to immediate account termination. Trolling Trolling is the practice of maliciously trying to incite others that use a newsgroup, to deviate from the stated topic of the group. In other words, trolling is an attempt to anger others to the point of drawing them into an argument or an off topic debate. Giganews does not tolerate trolling and will terminate service of those who abuse the service in this manner. ************************************************** ***** Political banter in a sailing newsgroup is probably ok with some as a minor sideshow. The garbage below is blatant, unmitigated trolling and racism. It's time to put an end to this crap, I hope others will do as I have done. Cut and paste the headers plus message and forward it to: Let them know that this kind of stuff is not acceptable here and that the poster has a chronic history of these types ofoff-topic posts. If you do nothing this place will not get any better. I just sent in a complaint to the abuse link above. Let's clean up the joint. Harry Harris ************************************************** **** On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:58:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Xref: news alt.sailing.asa:511486 Path: news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp .dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.d ca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.bayareasolutions!news. posted.bayareasolutions.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:58:31 -0500 From: "Capt. JG" Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa Subject: OT The big issues in the election Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:58:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: lutions Lines: 180 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.133.81.158 X-Trace: sv3-Hc3by3vL+7SkYxBDaTPgiUoKjc/vmjUB4O5qhtWYNktP6sQgTOSs44gGSAOACprJPuuMJZtPeNqoW Mk!zJSK0kQQX/PSz4sTGXLyW0jEa08jsNP+ptGMCROWZh6+qjh6C0eAb0NnPOP+ 6uQL9H4lkGaAU47P!J40ONs59U7WuqPaPJSws3/Ms5lhCZOJsc70= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 First, body language: http://www.businessweek.com/managing...+temp_managing Now, on to the big issues: Seven years ago, George W. Bush and his neocon pals wanted to lead this country in the worst way. Since 2001 they have. Now, nearing the end of perhaps the most disastrous U.S. presidency in history, the Democratic Challenger to the incumbent party should be interviewing potential cabinet members and checking out D.C. schools for his kids, observing the national election as mere formality. Bush has done everything in his power to give the White House keys to the Illinois Senator. But neither candidate from either party has packed his bags or booked a moving van just yet. This race is on when it should be all but over. To a serious minded voter, other than lipstick, pigs and flag pins, this election appears to be about the Big Three: war, the economy and energy. If it were only so, we would read Nov. 5 headlines Nov. 5 stating "Slam Dunk -- Mr. Obama Goes to Pennsylvania Avenue ." Bush and Cheney failed. McCain represents more of the same. Obama will bring us refreshing change. Why isn't Obama just kicking butt? Starting with Issue One, our current fiscal-conservative president spends $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq . A colossal Weapon of Mass Distraction, this war of vendetta not only took our aim off of Osama Bin Ladin but in so doing consumed vast amounts of human capital, effort and national focus in addition to yet untold money and lives. Surely, Mr. Obama has easily made his case for correcting course away from Bush's misguided efforts and restoring in the eyes of the world the respect and admiration once held for the United States of America . Here at home we demand our two presidential candidates to *really* address the failing economy. We ask this as if Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with one another. While this week's headlines are about Lehman and Hewlett Packard, lost jobs, a tumbling Dow and nervous world markets, there's no collective national connection between the failing economy and the money, time, energy and focus -- not to mention lives -- being spent on an ill-conceived war, waged by a dysfunctional civilian-military leadership the likes we have never seen. Again, this should be a simple matter for Candidate Obama to connect the dots and set an agenda for restoring our economy. Another gift from W. Energy independence? The most embarrassing expression of the prevailing "conservative" view came from Rudolph Giuliani, Sept. 3, in St. Paul , Minn. "Drill baby drill," he exhorted, focusing on the short-term divisive answer at the exclusion of any real long-term policy. Much like the VP/phenom who swept the nation, Sarah Palin, Rudy was rude, dismissive and denigrating of anyone who would disagree. Continue to produce and consume, produce more, consume more. The Republicans' creed is indistinguishable from that of any other addict: "I want what I want when I want it." Layup for Obama. Just talk up your sound energy policy that isn't knee-jerk and Johnny-come-lately. Make it three for three for the Democrats. Why is this election so close? Because there is a fourth issue. Virtually ignored, it is ever present, permeating all. "White privilege" is how we as a society accept and endorse long-held prejudices without thinking. No one is immune from the lens of white privilege. It colors everyone and everything including the Big Three as well as a host of lesser and non-issues from college and experience to family and relationships. How we all apply standards and old ways of thinking to our current candidates and issues will be the single largest determinant as to who resides in the house on Pennsylvania Avenue on Jan. 20. Read Tim Wise's article, "This is Your Nation on White Privilege," below. Wise, who wrote White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press), explains how the notion of white privilege is shaping this election, framing issues important and silly, and distorting messages. He is among the most prominent anti-racist activists in the U.S. , having given lectures in 48 states and on more than 500 college campuses. He has trained a multitude of teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for dismantling racism in their institutions. Far be it from me to point out which party cynically uses and daily manipulates white privilege to its advantage. I'm a uniter not a divider. But if you want to say that there is none happier or more at home with white privilege than the party that seated only 36 black delegates (out of 2,380) at its National Convention in Minnesota , I won't disagree. Read it and pass it on. It will color your world. Make you think. For the better. This is Your Nation on White Privilege September, 14 2008 By Tim Wise Tim Wise's ZSpace Page Join ZSpace For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. a.. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. b.. White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug. c.. White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action. d.. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested." e.. White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. f.. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. g.. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful. h.. White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist. i.. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look." j.. White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. k.. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America. l.. White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced. m.. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden. n.. And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain. White privilege is, in short, the problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:02:33 -0400, Norman Nessio said: Political banter in a sailing newsgroup is probably ok with some as a minor sideshow. The garbage below is blatant, unmitigated trolling and racism. It's time to put an end to this crap, Nonsense. We're adults here. If Jon chooses to play the race card on behalf of his candidate, it reflects poorly on him, but doesn't justify trying to get his news provider to silence him. If he weren't a repeat offender netKKKop himself I would agree with you. But he has spent half his life reporting people for abuse to silence them. And, he's such a hypocrite. It's about time the tables were turned on him, don't you think? -- Gregory Hall |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:02:33 -0400, Norman Nessio said: Political banter in a sailing newsgroup is probably ok with some as a minor sideshow. The garbage below is blatant, unmitigated trolling and racism. It's time to put an end to this crap, Nonsense. We're adults here. If Jon chooses to play the race card on behalf of his candidate, it reflects poorly on him, but doesn't justify trying to get his news provider to silence him. Yes, I called you a white man. Also, I did it using my real name. I'm sorry. Will you fogive me Dave? LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:02:33 -0400, Norman Nessio said: Political banter in a sailing newsgroup is probably ok with some as a minor sideshow. The garbage below is blatant, unmitigated trolling and racism. It's time to put an end to this crap, Nonsense. We're adults here. If Jon chooses to play the race card on behalf of his candidate, it reflects poorly on him, but doesn't justify trying to get his news provider to silence him. I agree it's ridiculous to report the poor guy. Hopefully, Giganews will look the other way when it comes to the terms of agreement of his service. The next thing Giganews might wind up dropping alt.sailing.asa altogether, just like Aieo did when someone complained to them. Come on guys, just keep it in the family. |
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On 29 Sep, 19:02, Norman Nessio wrote:
From the Giganews website AUP/TOS: Off-Topic Posting Nearly every newsgroup has a stated topic or acceptable range of topics for posting or discussion. Blatant disregard of the intended subject matter in a newsgroup will be treated as abusive posting. Posting off topic material in large volume or with apparent malicious intent will lead to immediate account termination. Trolling Trolling is the practice of maliciously trying to incite others that use a newsgroup, to deviate from the stated topic of the group. In other words, trolling is an attempt to anger others to the point of drawing them into an argument or an off topic debate. Giganews does not tolerate trolling and will terminate service of those who abuse the service in this manner. ************************************************** ***** Political banter in a sailing newsgroup is probably ok with some as a minor sideshow. The garbage below is blatant, unmitigated trolling and racism. It's time to put an end to this crap, I hope others will do as I have done. Cut and paste the headers plus message and forward it to: Your post is off topic. I went sailing this weekend. It was wonderful. We have had a lousy summer, but this weekend the weather was lovely. The wind wasn't perfect, but the company made up for it. The temperature was nice and the sun shone uninterrupted. You don't sound like a sailor. Why are you posting here? You should take that chip on your shoulder elsewhere. Sod off! Regards Donal -- |
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