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I wonder if this Wilbur sockpuppet who cyber bullied Jon with the Acid trip BS and changing his web-site into a foul porn site will be charged with cyber bullying? Or will Jon have to kill himself first? It's hard to squeeze water from a turnip, but Jon could sue and get Wilburs 500 dollar crusty bottomed, bucket splashed, **** yellow stained, broken boomed, derelict. Fred |
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wrote in message ... http://www.informify.com/top-stories...-bullying-case I wonder if this Wilbur sockpuppet who cyber bullied Jon with the Acid trip BS and changing his web-site into a foul porn site will be charged with cyber bullying? Or will Jon have to kill himself first? Are you suggesting that a drug sponge's impaired, marginal existence can be called living? -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 19, 10:33*am, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message ... http://www.informify.com/top-stories...ogy/131-mother... I wonder if this Wilbur sockpuppet who cyber bullied Jon with the Acid trip BS and changing his web-site into a foul porn site will be charged with cyber bullying? Or will Jon have to kill himself first? Are you suggesting that a drug sponge's impaired, marginal existence can be called living? -- Gregory Hall That's hard to answer. Many definations of life may be possiable. The question is, have you with your puppetry caused damage to Jon or his company. If I were on a jury I'd say yes. How many people googled up his sailing info to find it mentioned by one of your foul puppets created just to hassle and hide? It will be nice to see the internet cleaned up of cowards like you. Hopefully the woman who hassled the 13 YO into killing herself will do 20 years without internet access. Fred |
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wrote in message ... That's hard to answer. Many definations of life may be possiable. The question is, have you with your puppetry caused damage to Jon or his company. If I were on a jury I'd say yes. How many people googled up his sailing info to find it mentioned by one of your foul puppets created just to hassle and hide? It will be nice to see the internet cleaned up of cowards like you. Hopefully the woman who hassled the 13 YO into killing herself will do 20 years without internet access. You are making a passel of assumptions. Are you able to prove any of them in a court of law? More importantly do you even have standing to do so? If you do then you are guilty of that which you accuse others - the heinous crime of sock puppetry. Does the bully legislation you refer to apply to other than minors? Can an adult "bully" another adult by repeating or linking to that person's public Usenet writings? Can a child bully an adult? Enquiring minds wish to know. -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 19, 11:11*am, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message ... That's hard to answer. Many definations of life may be possiable. The question is, have you with your puppetry caused damage to Jon or his company. If I were on a jury I'd say yes. How many people googled up his sailing info to find it mentioned by one of your foul puppets created just to hassle and hide? It will be nice to see the internet cleaned up of cowards like you. Hopefully the woman who hassled the 13 YO into killing herself will do 20 years without internet access. You are making a passel of assumptions. Are you able to prove any of them in a court of law? More importantly do you even have standing to do so? * If you do then you are guilty of that which you accuse others - the heinous crime of sock puppetry. Does the bully legislation you refer to apply to other than minors? Can an adult "bully" another adult by repeating or linking to that person's public Usenet writings? * Can a child bully an adult? Enquiring minds wish to know. -- Gregory Hall Sure anybody can bully anyone. It's about cause & damage. It's good vs evil. Right VS Wrong. If I become a sockpuppet to stop harassment there is no damage to anyone except the person who is the cowardly harraser. My cause is good, the damage is Neal. You could be a man and stand by your given name as rightly preach the evil of drug use. , but to try to cause harm to a persons income, proffesion ect, even if using his own words for revenge of some cyber snitching is a bit much. Then to carry on a vandeta for what seems like decades is clear evidence of harrassment. You see if you were a man and posted as yourself hassleing people then you break no laws, besides slander if you commit it. The ruling by the feds was that the woman created a sockpuppet for the sole purpose of harassing the 13 YO. In doing so she broke federal laws. Let's pray that the woman who caused the 13 yo girl to kill herself ends up in federal prison to set an example for people who go overboard with sockpuppet hate and hasseling. People are sick of cowards and cads who think just because they throw up momma skirt no one will find them and give them what they deserve. The good news is Jurys of peers will decide. And the peers will not be fooled by the dancing smart mouth puppets. Fred |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 May 2008 07:14:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote: http://www.informify.com/top-stories...-bullying-case I wonder if this Wilbur sockpuppet who cyber bullied Jon with the Acid trip BS and changing his web-site into a foul porn site will be charged with cyber bullying? Or will Jon have to kill himself first? It's hard to squeeze water from a turnip, but Jon could sue and get Wilburs 500 dollar crusty bottomed, bucket splashed, **** yellow stained, broken boomed, derelict. Fred There are just a few problems: 1. For years Ganz has provoked a number of individuals with libel and fighting words. Not to mention numerous and continued bogus abuse complaints to NSPs and ISPs. Not to mention conspiracy with at least one and possibly more people to harass and spam with multiple abuse complaints and threaten with legal action ISPs and NSPs. 2. At least one of Ganz's USP accounts was suspended because the provider determined he was stalking. Oh, could this be why he no longer uses Supernews and has recently gotten a Giganews account? 3. Ganz has threatened to reveal personal information about others. A case of 'do as I say, not as I do?' 4. The LSD postings were on Google Groups for over 16 years. Only the original poster can have them removed. The postings are still available from other archive services. Very damning evidence and there's no way to deny he's the author. Even has his former workplace name address and phone numbers on some of them. 5. Ganz has complained dozens and dozens of time to USP's focusing on numerous individuals. Seems to be a chronic problem with only one thing in common. He's even a chronic complainer in the community where he lives. His latest exploits include harassing a local electric provider about a substation he doesn't like and griping in the newspaper about noisy airplanes flying low in order to land at the airport. Duh! 6. I don't think he would do so well getting questioned by a sharp attorney in front of a jury. He has a hard time sticking to facts and always turns things into personal attacks. Paranoid schizophrenic with a drug induced dementia??? 7. With over 20,000 posts to Usenet there is a plethora of evidence showing him provoking and attacking others for numerous and varied reasons. It's indesputable! 8. In the past Ganz has threatened several people with legal action (his mother is a lawyer) that has resulted in some individuals building a rather large collection of evidence not in favor of Ganz should legal action ever result. Archived safe, secured and redundant. 9. The claims against Wilbur pale in comparison to what others (flonkers et al) have done. He would appear selective in his choice of victim. Wilbur is just a harmless, luvable, little fuzzball compared to some of the enemies Jon Boy has made. 10. He has done more damage to himself by his behavior and posting his identity than anyone else could do to him. Without a doubt. Anybody who feels sorry for him also lives in La La land. 11. He can't shut up. It's an obsession. He has made little, if any, effort to ignore the alledged perpetrator and he has never claimed that he was not the author of said LSD posts, even when directly asked. How can he deny reality? As for shutting up that's laughable. He claims he's got Wilbur killfiled yet he manages to continue to plonk him time after time and Wilbur doesn't change his headers so Jon must have very ineffective kill files. Or curiosity gets the better of him?? 12. His use of smiley faces at the end of caustic posts would lead the reader to believe his writings were never to be taken at face value and that he enjoyed the "game" played at ASA for all those years. He did until he got the tables turned on him and his methods . . . 13. He has maintained on a regular basis that "nothing on Usenet is real" in reference to his posts and posts about him. So is he trying to say those LSD posts of his aren't real either? 14. If he could take any legal action he would have by now many times over. Would he swear on a Bible in a courtroom that he was not the author of those LSD posts? Especially when the defence attorney has Google's records? It may not go well. And his former employer from whence the posts originated could surely verify the source. 15. Wilbur has treated everyone equally. No one is singled out from the truth. Wilbur is definitely an equal opportunity truth-telling realist. He tells it like he sees it. He's the anti-PC. He's no looter. He's a producer. He knows who John Galt is. Wilbur is one of them "men of the mind." A credit to his gender. -- Gregory Hall |
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wrote in message ... Sure anybody can bully anyone. It's about cause & damage. But is it illegal. Is it a crime. Is there a law on the books that can be broken if children are not involved? If so, please give a link to this imagined law of yours. If there were such a law, Rush Limbaugh would be in jail. Don Imus, Randi Rhodes, The Rev. Wright, Al Franken, Al Sharpton, Neil O'Reilly, and that Weiner moron would all be in jail. It's good vs evil. Right VS Wrong. Oh, please! If I become a sockpuppet to stop harassment there is no damage to anyone except the person who is the cowardly harraser. My cause is good, the damage is Neal. Makes no sense. You're babbling . . . You could be a man and stand by your given name as rightly preach the evil of drug use. , And have my ISP and NSP continually harassed by multiple bogus abuse complaints. No thank you, been there, done that. I chose to spare them the trouble of dealing with anal retentive morons. but to try to cause harm to a persons income, proffesion ect, even if using his own words for revenge of some cyber snitching is a bit much. Some would say turnabout is fair play . . . Then to carry on a vandeta for what seems like decades is clear evidence of harrassment. You see if you were a man and posted as yourself hassleing people then you break no laws, besides slander if you commit it. The ruling by the feds was that the woman created a sockpuppet for the sole purpose of harassing the 13 YO. In doing so she broke federal laws. What is a sock puppet? What you call a sock puppet just might turn out to be a legitimate user ID at a particular NSP. You need to examine your definition. Show me the law that states an individual may only use one NSP at a time, please. Let's pray that the woman who caused the 13 yo girl to kill herself ends up in federal prison to set an example for people who go overboard with sockpuppet hate and hasseling. People are sick of cowards and cads who think just because they throw up momma skirt no one will find them and give them what they deserve. Let's pray sanity reigns and the person held responsible for the suicide is the girl who killed herself. It's about time little weenie jerks like yourself started minding their own business and started taking responsibility for themselves and quit pointing the finger of blame and glorifying victimhood. It's about time parents stop raising children who are so soft and weak - so self-centered. If any person, no matter their age, is so weak and defective that they kill themselves because of what they read on a computer screen then so be it. It's good that they can't pass along those defective genes. The strong will survive and that's what counts. -- Gregory Hall |
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"Ray Burr" wrote in message ... http://groups.google.com/group/alt.d...0?dmode=source Ha ha. I guess that's one that didn't get removed because it's a reply and Jon Boy didn't post it. Very good! I see I'm not the only one to embrace reality and who doesn't attempt to re-write history. I will leave that to the liberals. They are very accomplished at re-writing history or attempting to do so. -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 19, 12:45*pm, Dave wrote:
I sympathize with Jon, but we have far too many silly lawsuits today. Time to get over the notion that every time your feelings are hurt you should run to see a lawyer. There is a big difference between feelings hurt, and trying to crush one's source of income with an anonymous puppet. That is why Mr Neal shifted to a puppet to torment poor Jon. He created an on-line sockpuppet to do his dirty work, work he felt was to risky to do as himself. Fred |
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wrote in message ... There is a big difference between feelings hurt, and trying to crush one's source of income with an anonymous puppet. That is why Mr Neal shifted to a puppet to torment poor Jon. He created an on-line sockpuppet to do his dirty work, work he felt was to risky to do as himself. Good theory, can you prove it? And you still didn't answer my question, "Do you have standing?" -- Gregory Hall Fred |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:00:52 -0700 (PDT), said: That is why Mr Neal shifted to a puppet to torment poor Jon. He created an on-line sockpuppet to do his dirty work, work he felt was to risky to do as himself. Nah. As I've pointed out, there really are no such risks if he limits himself to the truth. He's just a natural asshole, and he thinks socks get him a larger audience for his nonsense. But they're really pretty easy to spot and killfile. Consider him the group's court fool. No, consider him doing that which was forced upon him. Due to continued harassment of various past NSPs and ISPs having to deal with continued and numerous bogus abuse complaints from various netKKKops like Jon and his ilk who take offense at just about every written word, there comes a time when taking steps to nullify said harassment is called for. Among these might be NSP's who don't show an IP address and who reply to and ****can all complaints after the first proven bogus attempt from any individual. (One, after ascertaining very first bogus complaint, will forward said complaint to user.) The standard reply goes something like this. "We don't release any personal information about our customers regardless of your threats. If you're serious send us a subpoena." In other words, put up or shut up! Another reason might be using two or three different NSPs in case one provider decides they're sick and tired of dealing with multiple abuse complaints whether valid or not and closes the account. (This abuse complaint flooding is a trick employed in the past by Katysails and Jon Boy and a couple others.) Another might be to have several NSP accounts to enable one to exercise one's brain debating subjects of all sorts in groups abuse complaint stalkers such as Jon Boy have no way to learn the whereabouts of. One must adapt to stay one step ahead of any and all petty minds who make censorship their life's work. As Wilbur would say, "I hope this helps." -- Gregory Hall |
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Bozo the Clown wrote in message ... On 19 May 2008 12:45:07 -0500, Dave wrote: 1. "He did it first" is not a defense to libel. 2. Truth is a complete defense to libel or slander. So the principal issue is whether Neal's claims are true. " He did it first and continues to do it" certainly would throw cold water upon any claims of bullying, victimhood or stalking. Anyone can search the internet and find evidence of the drug posts. Anyone can check the dates, names, phone numbers and employers. It seems the evidence favors the accused. I don't see many other business owners going on Usenet and repeatedly making a spectacle of themselves. Maybe they have sense enough to know it's bad for business. What kind of judgement was used to post to alt.drugs from the workplace using the workplace signature lines and headers about illegal and irresponsible behavior? The substance abuse was one thing, but to boast about it 20 years later in a work setting is not professional. Some may see a severe self destructive streak in there. Bozo Oh, Bozo, you've got to understand these poor liberal *******s a little better. You've probably done gone and hurt their itty bitty feelings. After all, it seems logical that those who so wholeheartedly support illegal drug use and don't see any harm in somebody doing drugs and bragging about doing them on Usenet and even encouraging and instructing others how to use them have probably done and/or dealt illegal drugs themselves and are attempting to justify their own illegal behavior by downplaying similar activities of others. Failing to take a strong stand against all illegal drug use makes these people part of the problem. I intend to be part of the solution. I will never condone the use of illegal drugs. I will never support lawbreakers who use or have used illegal drugs. I will never like those who abide illegal drug use. The sad thing is these giant liberal hypocrites who balk at speaking out against illegal drugs will probably be among the first to cry foul when they happen to stumble across their children using drugs. Oh, they will turn over every stone trying to uncover the dastardly monster who sold their kids drugs. And they will certainly be among the first to queue up to file suit should some drug-impaired driver (or boat captain) cause to be injured or killed one of their loved ones. They are colossal hypocrites. They facilitate illegal drugs on the one hand by their not speaking out against braggadocios drug users while on the other hand they moan and grown and cry and whine should they or their loved ones become a victim of drug abuse. But, that is today's liberal in action. Don't take any responsibility for anything. Berate those who are taking responsibility and action. Yet blame everybody but themselves when they are bitten in the ass by what they ignore or even sanction. I doubt this helps because you liberals will just deny the logic and reality of what I've written. A good part of your liberal philosophy involves denial. Wilbur Hubbard (just had to get in on THIS great discussion) |
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 13:39:17 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote: What is a sock puppet? What you call a sock puppet just might turn out to be a legitimate user ID at a particular NSP. You need to examine your definition. Show me the law that states an individual may only use one NSP at a time, please. I am bemused. My tens of thousands USENET post have all been under my own name, and if there is a downside, I haven't seen it. Let's pray sanity reigns and the person held responsible for the suicide is the girl who killed herself. Well, yes. Casady |
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 13:17:51 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote: He claims he's got Wilbur killfiled yet he manages to continue to plonk him time after time and Wilbur doesn't change his headers so Jon must have very ineffective kill files. Or curiosity gets the better of him?? It is true that some software has the option of the thirty day kill. Wilburs stuff isn't always the gospel, but so what? Casady |
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"Gregory Hall" wrote:
.... It's about time parents stop raising children who are so soft and weak - so self-centered. So, you blame your parents for raising you to be a cowardly sockpuppet? .....The strong will survive and that's what counts. It's surprising to me that anybody could define "strength" as using multiple identities and forged cyber-ID (and usually poorly done, at that) in order to say things they don't have the courage to say in person. DSK |
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wrote in message ... "Gregory Hall" wrote: .... It's about time parents stop raising children who are so soft and weak - so self-centered. So, you blame your parents for raising you to be a cowardly sockpuppet? .....The strong will survive and that's what counts. It's surprising to me that anybody could define "strength" as using multiple identities and forged cyber-ID (and usually poorly done, at that) in order to say things they don't have the courage to say in person. DSK How can one claim the sockpuppet is a coward for hiding their identity, yet claim that it is universally known who the sockpuppet is? What is a forged cyber-id? If someone is forging they can get into a lot of trouble and it is easy to report them. A reasonable person would use a killfile and ignore any such nuisances. It is only the unreasonable that find sockpuppets as attractive nuisances. So the question is: what is the attraction? |
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On May 20, 9:37*am, wrote:
*"Gregory Hall" wrote: .... It's about time parents stop raising children who are so soft and weak - so self-centered. So, you blame your parents for raising you to be a cowardly sockpuppet? .....The strong will survive and that's what counts. It's surprising to me that anybody could define "strength" as using multiple identities and forged cyber-ID (and usually poorly done, at that) in order to say things they don't have the courage to say in person. DSK I do not think anyone defines the sockpuppet Wilbur, nor any of his top right hand dresser drawer cast of baffoons as strong on anything. Me thinks he's a barco lounger, page flipping, want-A-be at best. I found this group because of a friends boat he was saying belonged to him. Having crewed Chippawa I often google the name. I was astounded, the owner would never let such an assole step aboard. The mans a waste of space and would never be considered as crew. I bet he's a hermit. Fred |
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.. How many times have you crewed Chippewa? (note the spelling) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Pk1UYkB3I Fred |
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wrote in message ... I do not think anyone defines the sockpuppet Wilbur, nor any of his top right hand dresser drawer cast of baffoons as strong on anything. Me thinks he's a barco lounger, page flipping, want-A-be at best. I found this group because of a friends boat he was saying belonged to him. Having crewed Chippawa I often google the name. I was astounded, the owner would never let such an assole step aboard. The mans a waste of space and would never be considered as crew. I bet he's a hermit. It is rather pathetic that you cannot even spell "Chippewa.". Sad that you often Google a misspelled name and have not noticed your mistake? Sad that you are an obvious fraud and a liar. Sad that you claim to know me when you don't. Here's a photo that should prove you're a liar. http://www.newportshipyard.com/image...rizegiving.jpg You say you know me, Clayton, so you should recognize me in the photo. Tell me which man is your friend, Clayton. Wilbur "Clayton" Hubbard |
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On May 20, 1:16*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ... *I do not think anyone defines the sockpuppet Wilbur, nor any of his top right hand dresser drawer cast of baffoons as strong on anything. Me thinks he's a barco lounger, page flipping, want-A-be at best. I found this group because of a friends boat he was saying belonged to him. Having crewed Chippawa I often google the name. I was astounded, the owner would never let such an assole step aboard. The mans a waste of space and would never be considered as crew. I bet he's a hermit. *Here's a photo that should prove you're a liar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxpNWr2B4sE You say you know me, Clayton, so you should recognize me in the photo. Tell me which man is your friend, Clayton. Wilbur "Clayton" Hubbard You are the one on the table. Fred |
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On May 19, 1:22*pm, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:00:52 -0700 (PDT), said: That is why Mr Neal shifted to a puppet to torment poor Jon. He created an on-line sockpuppet to do his dirty work, work he felt was to risky to do as himself. Nah. As I've pointed out, there really are no such risks if he limits himself to the truth. He's just a natural asshole, and he thinks socks get him a larger audience for his nonsense. But they're really pretty easy to spot and killfile. Consider him the group's court fool. Is it the truth when he convert Jon's sailing site into a porno site? Looks, walks and sounds like constant harrasment to me. Jon should sue Wilbur for lost wages. Fred |
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wrote in message ... Is it the truth when he convert Jon's sailing site into a porno site? Can you prove that statement? If you'd do a little Googling you might just find that particular pornolizer spoof has been on the web for years. Anybody's site can be spoofed with it. Example: http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanncoulter.com &submit=TranslateLooks, walks and sounds like constant harrasment to me.And your opinion actually matters? Bwaaaahahahahahhahahahhahaha.Jon should sue Wilbur for lost wages.What, that allowance his mommy gives him? Pocket change!--Gregory Hall |
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"Richard" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 May 2008 07:14:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote: http://www.informify.com/top-stories...-bullying-case I wonder if this Wilbur sockpuppet who cyber bullied Jon with the Acid trip BS and changing his web-site into a foul porn site will be charged with cyber bullying? Or will Jon have to kill himself first? It's hard to squeeze water from a turnip, but Jon could sue and get Wilburs 500 dollar crusty bottomed, bucket splashed, **** yellow stained, broken boomed, derelict. Fred There are just a few problems: bs deleted from another coward and liar You are the problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:20:51 -0100, Richard said: There are just a few problems: 1. For years Ganz has provoked a number of individuals with libel and fighting words. Two problems with your post. 1. "He did it first" is not a defense to libel. 2. Truth is a complete defense to libel or slander. So the principal issue is whether Neal's claims are true. I sympathize with Jon, but we have far too many silly lawsuits today. Time to get over the notion that every time your feelings are hurt you should run to see a lawyer. Not sure what you're referring to with "but we have far too many silly lawsuits...." He's not worth the trouble. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message
... On May 19, 12:45 pm, Dave wrote: I sympathize with Jon, but we have far too many silly lawsuits today. Time to get over the notion that every time your feelings are hurt you should run to see a lawyer. There is a big difference between feelings hurt, and trying to crush one's source of income with an anonymous puppet. That is why Mr Neal shifted to a puppet to torment poor Jon. He created an on-line sockpuppet to do his dirty work, work he felt was to risky to do as himself. Fred Really.. whatever, so my question is why do you care so much? You're the one who started this thread... are you just another one of his many "personalities?" All you're doing is fueling his psychosis. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 21, 1:03*am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
All you're doing is fueling his psychosis. Yes, I'm hoping his head will pop like a big zit full of puss. Fred -- "j" ganz |
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wrote in message
... On May 21, 1:03 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: All you're doing is fueling his psychosis. Yes, I'm hoping his head will pop like a big zit full of puss. Fred -- "j" ganz Thanks for nothing. Sounds like you have your own problems. It would be nice, but unexpected if you would leave me out of it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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