Bloody Horvath wrote:


And yes, well put. They were out there doing...

At least nobody was eaten by tigers.





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OzOne wrote in message
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Yes, sad...though I'd respectfully suggest that if Red
Cloud manages
to stay afloat unmanned then she was abandoned way to
quickly.



Bzzzzzzzzzt ! Go back and read it again, Ozwald.

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news:9bb0fa09-162d-41ab-b835-

Well, the problem is not that she was sinking (although
apparently
taking on water thru broken elements of the
superstructure) but that
one of the crew was injured. Changes the equation
entirely, and the
USCG will not evacuate one person of the crew. It's either
all or none
(a policy that I can see the reason for, but don't agree
with).


What would they do if you sent the injured up first and then
refused to go? I'm guessing they'll arrest you when you get
back to port?

SBV

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:33:20 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:


OzOne wrote in message
.. .


Yes, sad...though I'd respectfully suggest that if Red
Cloud manages
to stay afloat unmanned then she was abandoned way to
quickly.



Bzzzzzzzzzt ! Go back and read it again, Ozwald.


Read what?
If the boat can stay afloat without any assistance , It would
certainly have with someone aboard to help her.

You need to read a little about the boats taht have survived storms
with severely injured people aboard...in one case without any
coachhouse left standing.




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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:34:52 -0500, Scotty wrote:


What would they do if you sent the injured up first and then refused to
go? I'm guessing they'll arrest you when you get back to port?

SBV

I don't know about arrest, but they surely could pull Joe's license and
ship's documentation. The Satori, of Perfect Storm fame, was a similar
situation.

http://www.westsail.org/satori.html

You need to read a little about the boats taht have survived storms
with severely injured people aboard...in one case without any
coachhouse left standing.


Yes and Rheinhold Messner dragged himself by his hands across a Himalayan
glacier for three days with frozen stumps for feet and went on to solo Mt
Everest and ski across Antarctica. Doug Scott downclimbed an 8,000 meter
Himalayan peak on his kness because of two broken legs. We shouldn't expect
anything less of Terry. Right.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

You need to read a little about the boats taht have
survived storms
with severely injured people aboard...in one case
without any
coachhouse left standing.


Yes and Rheinhold Messner dragged himself by his hands
across a Himalayan
glacier for three days with frozen stumps for feet and
went on to solo Mt
Everest and ski across Antarctica. Doug Scott downclimbed
an 8,000 meter
Himalayan peak on his kness because of two broken legs. We
shouldn't expect
anything less of Terry. Right.


phht, a walk in the park for the mighty Oz.

"Scotty" wrote:
What would they do if you sent the injured up first and then
refused to go? I'm guessing they'll arrest you when you get
back to port?

As somebody else suggested, they would at the very least pull Joe's
license, possibly arrest them. The one case I know of where a boat
defied a USCG "suggestion" (which was that they return to dock, not
abandon) the boat was followed by the Coasties and about an hour later
boarded by Treasury agents who arrested... in a rather forceful & ugly
way... everyone on board including a couple of kids. Now sure what
the ultimate shake-out of that case was, last I heard the boat owner
(who was not a licensed captain) was suing Uncle Sam to get his boat
out of impoundment by several Federal agencies.

Anyway, ****ing off the USCG would be very very likely to get you
Homeland Security's sh** list, at the very least.

OzOne wrote:
Read what?

Hello? Injured crew?

If the boat can stay afloat without any assistance , It would
certainly have with someone aboard to help her.


Agreed.
But exercising that option would certainly have involved a face-down
with the USCG.

The fact that Joe is working on finding & recovering his boat shows
that he doesn't think it sank; and probably didn't think it was
sinking at the time. They called the USCG to evacuate an injured
crewman and ended up being ordered to *all* evacuate. Standard policy-
the Coasties don't want to come twice to the same rescue. Honestly
don't know I'd do in Joe's situation.

I know of another case (last year) where the USCG did actually tow a
vessel in distress; which AFAIK has been against their policy for
years. They weren't as far out as Joe was though.

DSK

wrote in message
...
A sad day indeed. Glad to hear everyone is safe and hope Joe is able
to find Red Cloud and bring her home safely.


One of the news articles said that the USCG had put a tracking device
aboard to make here easy to find. With any luck at all, Joe is out
there now towing her back.


OzOne wrote:
Yes, sad...though I'd respectfully suggest that if Red Cloud manages
to stay afloat unmanned then she was abandoned way to quickly.


Well, the problem is not that she was sinking (although apparently
taking on water thru broken elements of the superstructure) but that
one of the crew was injured. Changes the equation entirely, and the
USCG will not evacuate one person of the crew. It's either all or none
(a policy that I can see the reason for, but don't agree with).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Surely that depends on what message Joe called in ? I cannot believe that
the USCG would insist on bringing everybody off if Joe had simply asked for
an injured crewmember to be taken off.. Surely a Captain does not relinquish
his rights and responsibilities and has to accept orders from USCG just
because he asked for an injured person to be taken off? I do not believe
that any coastguard service in Europe has such powers. I understand that
Joe wanted to stay aboard and the price for wanting his injured wife to be
helped is that he has possibly lost his ship.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:02 -0700, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


You need to read a little about the boats taht have survived storms
with severely injured people aboard...in one case without any
coachhouse left standing.


Yes and Rheinhold Messner dragged himself by his hands across a Himalayan
glacier for three days with frozen stumps for feet and went on to solo Mt
Everest and ski across Antarctica. Doug Scott downclimbed an 8,000 meter
Himalayan peak on his kness because of two broken legs. We shouldn't expect
anything less of Terry. Right.


I've sailed some 400 miles through a severe storm with a crew member
cocooned in bedding to help stop the jarring to a broken leg...he did
not have a twisted ankle.

BUT, YOU digress.........IF the boat is still afloat without
assistance...It was in all likelihood abandoned too soon.





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