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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiVv4VZmGY

35 kts of wind. Could you imagine a bendatoe 35s5 in such wind?

Called a Swain 36, a friend has one here he buildt oragami style, cool
& tough little boats..

Joe

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On Oct 8, 10:10 am, Joe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiVv4VZmGY

35 kts of wind. Could you imagine a bendatoe 35s5 in such wind?

Called a Swain 36, a friend has one here he buildt oragami style, cool
& tough little boats..

Joe

Here's a newer Beneteau in 30 knot winds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkpJAyiafhk

Doesn't look like the boat is having the least bit of difficulty.
Better music too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Oct 8, 10:10 am, Joe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiVv4VZmGY

35 kts of wind. Could you imagine a bendatoe 35s5 in such wind?

Called a Swain 36, a friend has one here he buildt oragami style,
cool
& tough little boats..

Joe

Here's a newer Beneteau in 30 knot winds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkpJAyiafhk

Doesn't look like the boat is having the least bit of difficulty.
Better music too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


That ain't nothin! Check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA_1TYYmIyY

Greg

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"Gregory Hall" wrote:
That ain't nothin! Check this one out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA_1TYYmIyY


16 knots!
Pretty good for a condo-maran.

OTOH that boat is not over running the wave crests. You can see quite
clearly when a wave rolls under the bow; in the previous video you can
see quite clearly that the Benny was running faster than the waves.

DSK

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On Oct 8, 10:10 am, Joe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiVv4VZmGY

35 kts of wind. Could you imagine a bendatoe 35s5 in such wind?

Called a Swain 36, a friend has one here he buildt oragami style,
cool
& tough little boats..

Joe

Here's a newer Beneteau in 30 knot winds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkpJAyiafhk

Doesn't look like the boat is having the least bit of difficulty.
Better music too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

That ain't nothin! Check this one out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA_1TYYmIyY

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That's kids stuff. This looks like a challenge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp45fL0u0QU

Joe

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On Oct 8, 10:10 am, Joe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiVv4VZmGY

35 kts of wind. Could you imagine a bendatoe 35s5 in such wind?

Called a Swain 36, a friend has one here he buildt oragami style,
cool
& tough little boats..

Joe

Here's a newer Beneteau in 30 knot winds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkpJAyiafhk

Doesn't look like the boat is having the least bit of difficulty.
Better music too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

That ain't nothin! Check this one
out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA_1TYYmIyY

Greg- Hide quoted text -

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That's kids stuff. This looks like a challenge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp45fL0u0QU

Joe


I've sailed in conditions like that before but I wasn't racing so I
didn't have to beat into it. Makes all the difference in the world when
you can run before that sort of crap.

Greg

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"Joe" wrote
That's kids stuff.

says the guy whose never done anything remotely like it.


.... This looks like a challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp45fL0u0QU


It is. In fact it's the BT Global Challenge.

Very cool video, thanks for the link. I like the struggle getting the
trysail set, and the wave impact that blows the guy off the windward
rail & down the companionway.


"Gregory Hall" wrote:
I've sailed in conditions like that before but I wasn't racing so I
didn't have to beat into it. Makes all the difference in the world when
you can run before that sort of crap.


Makes all the difference when you've got the design & rig for it.
Those boats were specifically designed to sail well in those
conditions, including to windward; you'll notice that they don't futz
around with full keels or gaff rigs etc etc. You also notice that
under trysail & storm jib (late in the vvideo) the boat is barely
crawling along on a close reach. In those conditions, many boats
couldn't make any ground to windward at all.

DSK

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On Oct 13, 1:25 pm, wrote:
"Joe" wrote
That's kids stuff.

says the guy whose never done anything remotely like it.

What ? My labrisa dink will plane out and hit twenty on a good day,
and she has a tiller. Just as good as any benny! Better even.

.... This looks like a challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp45fL0u0QU

It is. In fact it's the BT Global Challenge.

Very cool video, thanks for the link. I like the struggle getting the
trysail set, and the wave impact that blows the guy off the windward
rail & down the companionway.

Makes you think twice about no wearing a harness. I like the guy
bashing his head on the mast aloft...good thing he had a helmet.


"Gregory Hall" wrote:
I've sailed in conditions like that before but I wasn't racing so I
didn't have to beat into it. Makes all the difference in the world when
you can run before that sort of crap.

Makes all the difference when you've got the design & rig for it.
Those boats were specifically designed to sail well in those
conditions, including to windward; you'll notice that they don't futz
around with full keels or gaff rigs etc etc. You also notice that
under trysail & storm jib (late in the vvideo) the boat is barely
crawling along on a close reach. In those conditions, many boats
couldn't make any ground to windward at all.

They look like pretty stout boats, I like the way they shiver.

Joe

DSK

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:37:36 -0700, wrote:

"Gregory Hall" wrote:
That ain't nothin! Check this one out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA_1TYYmIyY


16 knots!
Pretty good for a condo-maran.

OTOH that boat is not over running the wave crests. You can see quite
clearly when a wave rolls under the bow; in the previous video you can
see quite clearly that the Benny was running faster than the waves.

Not all wave speeds are created equal. The larger the wave the longer
the wavelength and the faster it travels (in deep water).

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That's kids stuff.


says the guy whose never done anything remotely like it.



Joe wrote:
What ? My labrisa dink will plane out and hit twenty on a good day,

?!?
Yeah right

and she has a tiller. Just as good as any benny! Better even.


Sorry Joe... "has a tiller" is not the main qualification in
determining boat performance; a dinghy like yours is a lot of fun to
sail but in NO WAY is even in the same ball park... not even the same
continent... as a sport boat, much less a skiff.

Look at it this way... it's an achievement for a foiling Moth to break
20 knots. The Swift Solo might do it under exceptional
circumstances.... a boat like a 5-0-5 will not.... the fastest I've
ever sailed a Lightning felt like 20+ but was actually timed out at
about 12k, and that was on a day when it was insane to take the boat
out (blowing 35+, eventually ordered off the lake by officials).

I'm glad that you have fun sailing the dink, but do you seriously
think it's faster than a Lightning, much less a 5-0-5? Let's not be
too delusional OK? ;)


Very cool video, thanks for the link. I like the struggle getting the
trysail set, and the wave impact that blows the guy off the windward
rail & down the companionway.

Makes you think twice about no wearing a harness. I like the guy
bashing his head on the mast aloft...good thing he had a helmet.


True.
You'd have to be nuts to try & work on deck in conditions like that
without a harness.


Those boats were specifically designed to sail well in those
conditions, including to windward;


They look like pretty stout boats, I like the way they shiver.


Went on one at the Annapolis boat show a few years back. They are
awesome boats... not particularly fast but they would be great
passagemaker cruisers.

DSK

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OTOH that boat is not over running the wave crests. You can see quite
clearly when a wave rolls under the bow; in the previous video you can
see quite clearly that the Benny was running faster than the waves.


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Not all wave speeds are created equal. The larger the wave the
longer
the wavelength and the faster it travels (in deep water).

True, I forgot about that.

How much faster do you think the waves are going in the 2nd (condo-
maran) video?

DSK

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:56:12 -0700, wrote:

OTOH that boat is not over running the wave crests. You can see quite
clearly when a wave rolls under the bow; in the previous video you can
see quite clearly that the Benny was running faster than the waves.


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Not all wave speeds are created equal. The larger the wave the
longer
the wavelength and the faster it travels (in deep water).

True, I forgot about that.

How much faster do you think the waves are going in the 2nd (condo-
maran) video?


Dunno but it is obviously more exposed just looking at the pictures
even before looking up the answer that one is in the Gulf of Lyon amd
the other the Isselmeer. Your best bet at guessing the wave speed is
to guess the wavelength/period and work it out but I have yet to see
two waves the same on the sea.
I wonder why he is using his foot on the tiller (benny) but I like his
style and is keeping it remarkably steady.

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On Oct 15, 9:16 am,

How much faster do you think the waves are going in the 2nd (condo-
maran) video?


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Dunno but it is obviously more exposed just looking at the pictures
even before looking up the answer that one is in the Gulf of Lyon amd
the other the Isselmeer.

Yes, in the catamaran video the waves are much higher and more
regular...

IMHO taking a close look at the wakes of the two vessels gives a
better clue as to relative speeds... IMHO it still looks like the
Benny is going faster.

.... Your best bet at guessing the wave speed is
to guess the wavelength/period and work it out but I have yet to see
two waves the same on the sea.

What do you think of the "group of sevens" theory? I have seen waves
travel in packs of 7, but at times it has also seemed to me that they
follow fractal relationships, or are completely random.


I wonder why he is using his foot on the tiller (benny) but I like his
style and is keeping it remarkably steady.

I think the boat is carrying a slight lee helm, and he's using his
foot to bring the nose up fast without losing his balance. Many hot
boats have a bit of lee helm when the sprit is run out & the A-sail
flying.... makes going downwind a little easier, the boat doesn't tend
to broach.

I liked the Benny video, the gys were clearly having a fun and the
boat was nowhere near it's limit, weather-wise.... even if it is a
Bendy-toy ;)

DSK

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:08:02 -0700, wrote:

On Oct 15, 9:16 am,

How much faster do you think the waves are going in the 2nd (condo-
maran) video?


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Dunno but it is obviously more exposed just looking at the pictures
even before looking up the answer that one is in the Gulf of Lyon amd
the other the Isselmeer.

Yes, in the catamaran video the waves are much higher and more
regular...

IMHO taking a close look at the wakes of the two vessels gives a
better clue as to relative speeds... IMHO it still looks like the
Benny is going faster.

.... Your best bet at guessing the wave speed is
to guess the wavelength/period and work it out but I have yet to see
two waves the same on the sea.

What do you think of the "group of sevens" theory? I have seen waves
travel in packs of 7, but at times it has also seemed to me that they
follow fractal relationships, or are completely random.

I luv them all..



I wonder why he is using his foot on the tiller (benny) but I like his
style and is keeping it remarkably steady.

I think the boat is carrying a slight lee helm, and he's using his
foot to bring the nose up fast without losing his balance. Many hot
boats have a bit of lee helm when the sprit is run out & the A-sail
flying.... makes going downwind a little easier, the boat doesn't tend
to broach.

I liked the Benny video, the gys were clearly having a fun and the
boat was nowhere near it's limit, weather-wise.... even if it is a
Bendy-toy ;)

DSK