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Greetings fellow Sailors,
Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud |
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Congratulations and Good Luck on your new venture, Joe.
But you might want to double check a few things. The reason there is very little Belize coffee is that they have no high mountains, which is where virtually all of the high quality coffee is grown. Also, the Caye Coffee company says they get their coffee from the Antigua region of Guatemala. http://www.cayecoffee.com/coffee.html Joe wrote: Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud |
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Thank you Joe,
I want you to remember that I'm also a Coffee Lover but not a Coffee Snob. http://d21c.com/nrp1/ccups/pg4-thur.jpeg I've never found a coffee I don't like. Good luck with your new endeavor! Hope it works out for you. |
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be against you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels come off the venture. Lloyd |
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On Sep 20, 11:46 am, jeff wrote:
Congratulations and Good Luck on your new venture, Joe. But you might want to double check a few things. The reason there is very little Belize coffee is that they have no high mountains, which is where virtually all of the high quality coffee is grown. Also, the Caye Coffee company says they get their coffee from the Antigua region of Guatemala.http://www.cayecoffee.com/coffee.html Thats correct, Paul also gets coffee from Brazil, Guatamala. However he will roast it and pack it in degassing bags in Belize, making it an export of Belize. The Dark Maya Roast is the best on earth..I'm telling you. He says it was a fluke mix that has become the most requested on the Caye. Joe Joe wrote: Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thats correct, Paul also get coffe from Brazil, Guatamala |
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On Sep 20, 12:04 pm, wrote:
- Show quoted text - Details details..;0) I'm quite aware of every issue you raised. We will have a mixed cargo of products. Joe |
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On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be against you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels come off the venture. Lloyd- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the process I hoped I learned enough to make this work. One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger Barn. We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee industry. We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the pot.. but you have to start somewhere. Joe |
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Congratulations on getting your business going, Joe. I hope you are very
successful. |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be against you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels come off the venture. Lloyd- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the process I hoped I learned enough to make this work. One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger Barn. We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee industry. We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the pot.. but you have to start somewhere. Joe When you return, I'd be happy to try a bag of the coffee... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Joe wrote:
Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. I wish you good luck on the voyage and success with the business. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. I'll be very interested to know what difference you notice between bio- diesel and the stuff from percolated dinosaurs, especially after a couple hundred running hours. Did you change anything on the engines to burn the stuff? Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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On Sep 20, 5:07 pm, wrote: First you say 10,000 pounds of coffee. When I point out that your named supplier, who can at most provide 90 pounds per hour, can't possibly provide that amount without it being quite stale, You think coffee in degassing bags become stale in 3 weeks?. I think you are about 3 mo off... but thats my opinion. Many of the store bought "fresh coffee" is 100X's that old. (by the time they roast 10,000 pounds, the first part of production will already be past the "sell by" date without the shipping delay even factored in) you change your story and say you will be bringing a load of more than one item. Please quote me saying a load of "one item". The cargo will all be coffee, not all roasted, not all green. Now you are back to claiming a shipment of 10,000 pounds of coffee. Oh, yeah, your supplier already sells his finished product in the USA on the internet with $4.98 shipping on any sized order. What no link? Maybe you should order 10,000 pounds with $4.98 shipping! Did you do ANY actual research? Really doesn't sound like it. Whatever sock puppet. Since the USPS charges more than 10 bucks a pound to mainland Belize, and over 30 dollars a pound priorty mail he must have one hell of a mark-up huh? http://ircalc.usps.gov/default.aspx?...ngle&CID=10034 Good luck, anyway.- Thanks Sock Puppet... but I prefer to rely on planning and hard work. Joe Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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That sockpuppet is your good friend Ekal Bnek.
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be against you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels come off the venture. Lloyd- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the process I hoped I learned enough to make this work. One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger Barn. We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee industry. We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the pot.. but you have to start somewhere. Joe I hope you find a successful niche and I admire your courage to try. Why not export something valuable when you go so the trip has a chance of being profitable in both directions? There is a reason that coffee was last hauled on a sailing ship almost 100 years ago. |
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On Sep 20, 8:10 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:13:16 -0700, Joe wrote: On Sep 20, 5:07 pm, wrote: First you say 10,000 pounds of coffee. When I point out that your named supplier, who can at most provide 90 pounds per hour, can't possibly provide that amount without it being quite stale, You think coffee in degassing bags become stale in 3 weeks?. I think you are about 3 mo off... but thats my opinion. Many of the store bought "fresh coffee" is 100X's that old. Coffee that's 300 months old? WOW! Ever hear of something called MATH? You may need to know a little about it if you want to run a business. Are you a teacher? Joe |
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On Sep 20, 8:29 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela, Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only importer to the USA of Belize coffee. RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic concise and aware world. Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation. Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Any questions? Captain Joe RedCloud I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be against you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels come off the venture. Lloyd- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the process I hoped I learned enough to make this work. One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger Barn. We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee industry. We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the pot.. but you have to start somewhere. Joe I hope you find a successful niche and I admire your courage to try. It was either this or a new home stereo and a Subaru.. Why not export something valuable when you go so the trip has a chance of being profitable in both directions? We have asked our supplier in Ambergris Caye to scout out just that. Also seeing if they need any hurricane relief type supplies on the Caye. The whole caye was out of creamer until today! There is a reason that coffee was last hauled on a sailing ship almost 100 years ago. Yes because it was cheaper. faster, but that was in the days before degassing bags, and 80 dollar a drum crude oil. What happens when oil hits 300 a drum? Why not shift to sail? If we can make a profit others will surely follow. Whats wrong with real sailors sailing the seven sea again with cargo? If you could pay the same price for a quality coffee like you get at starbucks, would you not prefer to pay it to a sailor rather than a huge corporation shipping via huge container ships that burn huge amounts of fuel and provide little employment for sailors? Joe - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sep 20, 7:09 pm, jeff wrote:
At $12 a pound the $4 shipping on any quantity is reasonable. His cost for the beans is $1-2 (or less). He'd be happy to ship a container up for a $100k profit! The guy in NY was buying a few hundred pounds every so often and re- selling it here. He's no longer selling Caye Coffee, the link BB found was suppose to be a dead link. There are mixed opinions on the efficacy of the foil valve bags. Experts on the consumer side will say 3 weeks is the "use by" time, while the top suppliers will say 3 months. Personally I normally roast my own and consume it within one to three weeks, but when I do buy "pre-roasted" I wouldn't touch anything more than a month old. Starbucks of course sells their swill 6 months stale. The real question I have is what's the SCAA rating of the cup? To rank in the "best I've ever had" category it would have to be 90 or higher. You will have to try it Jeff...I swear..it's geat...just went through some excellent Kona and this is just as good if not better IMO. Joe |
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On Sep 20, 4:49 pm, wrote:
Joe wrote: Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. I wish you good luck on the voyage and success with the business. Thanks Doug RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC. I'll be very interested to know what difference you notice between bio- diesel and the stuff from percolated dinosaurs, especially after a couple hundred running hours. Did you change anything on the engines to burn the stuff? Nothing..I had modern synthetic fuel lines .. I'll let you know. Joe Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Container ships are the most efficient way to haul cargo (per pound) on the
planet.That's just based on fuel cost. Throw in the time factor - scheduling, spoilage etc and the container ship is #1 by far. Containerships don't burn that much fuel. A rotorship is a much more efficient use of wind power for ships. No sails needed, small number of crew necessary. http://www.efluids.com/efluids/galle...rship_page.htm Maybe you can convert RedCloud to a rotor. |
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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message ... That sockpuppet is your good friend Ekal Bnek. Ken Blake? Shirley you jest! |
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Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of
all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Joe, that's awesome!!! Congrats and please log your trips via video and pictures! I'm sure some folks here would love to see how it goes. Fair winds to you, Robert B 35s5 NY |
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I'm not jesting and stop calling me Shirley.
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On Sep 20, 9:07 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
Container ships are the most efficient way to haul cargo (per pound) on the planet.That's just based on fuel cost. What if there is no fuel cost beyond generator and channel transiting and docking? A 311,883 tonne "Super Tanker" @ 15.69 knots would burn 190 tonnes of fuel per day. (figures for the ex-Shell tanker "Lanistes") A 71,425 ton tanker @ 16.75 knots would burn 118 tons of fuel per day. (figures for the ex-Shell tanker "Serenia") A 18,911 ton product carrier @ 14.25 knots would burn 49 tons per day. (figures for the ex-Shell tanker "Hemitrochus") Throw in the time factor - For green coffee you can take your time...there is no rush. For roasted with degassing tech, you have a few months without problems. Might even get the most expensive coffee on earth (beside that coffee the critters crap) if I could recreate the moonsooned process. Mr Ukers says in the sailing ship delivery days cargo holds would induce a natural sweating affect on the coffee. As a result, the coffee will turn a rare shade of brown that brings a premium. It is believed that this browning greatly improves the flavor and body of coffee. In the old days Captains that brought in "extra brown" were given a bonus. Coffee brought by sail was termed "ex-sailing ships." After the turn of the century, there were attempts to duplicate the browning process by steam heating coffee brought in by steamships but it was never the same. scheduling, spoilage etc and the container ship is #1 by far. Containerships don't burn that much fuel. see fuel amounts above. I admit a container ship will be more efficent than a tanker but still will burn 30,000 +gallons a day IIRC. I have nothing against big ships, I just feel with certain types of cargo speed and schedules are not critical, and if we can reduce the amount of fuel used for trade, we will be reducing the major use of fuel on earth. Every journey starts with a single step. A rotorship is a much more efficient use of wind power for ships. No sails needed, small number of crew necessary. http://www.efluids.com/efluids/galle...ettner_rotorsh... Maybe you can convert RedCloud to a rotor. Captain Cousteau's son had a rotor ship IIRC. Captain Cousteau became famous when he did a documentry near Ambergris Caye diving the Blue Hole. Joe |
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On Sep 20, 11:28 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice. Joe, that's awesome!!! Congrats and please log your trips via video and pictures! I'm sure some folks here would love to see how it goes. Fair winds to you, Robert B 35s5 NY What would be a good (cheap) digital recorder for video's? I do not need much memory as I could download the camera daily to a hard drive. I have a couple nice Cannon's and will stick to 35MM film. Thanks for the fair winds wish. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
.... Throw in the time factor - For green coffee you can take your time...there is no rush. For roasted with degassing tech, you have a few months without problems. No you don't. Even assuming a 90 shelf life, you can't really spend 60 days traveling. Are your really going to put this on EBay as "only 60 days used on its 90 day shelf life"? And how long will it take to sell on EBay? How long will it take for people to sample some and then decide on a larger quantity? And will you donate to the homeless shelter whatever doesn't sell quickly? Perhaps this was the best you've had when it was two days from the roaster. It certainly won't be 3 months later! Might even get the most expensive coffee on earth (beside that coffee the critters crap) if I could recreate the moonsooned process. Mr Ukers says in the sailing ship delivery days cargo holds would induce a natural sweating affect on the coffee. As a result, the coffee will turn a rare shade of brown that brings a premium. It is believed that this browning greatly improves the flavor and body of coffee. In the old days Captains that brought in "extra brown" were given a bonus. Coffee brought by sail was termed "ex-sailing ships." After the turn of the century, there were attempts to duplicate the browning process by steam heating coffee brought in by steamships but it was never the same. It is not clear this made better coffee for today's pallet. It was the perception that this was better that raised the price. In addition, it was actually only used then for the low quality Robusta beans, not the high quality Arabica that make up the vast majority of today's specialty market. Today's Monsooned coffee is prepared with a great deal of time and care. Here's a description from one of my favorite suppliers (check the last offering on the page): http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.asia.india.html BTW, the price on both the Indian and Java Monsooned coffee is not particularly high, and very little gets imported to the US. |
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First I want to say good luck on your venture. It sounds like a very
interesting prospect and I really hope it works out. I was wondering if you had looked into some of the new kite technology out there. I was looking into this for an additional sail on a boat I am building and I came across several sites that make huge kite sails for cargo ships. They market to the container ships but if RedCloud is big enough and could benefit it seems like it may help your venture out. Shaving a few days off of shipping time could be very profitable for you from what I understand. I thought I would ask and see if you had any insight into this technology since I am considering using it myself but haven't met anyone that has done it yet. From what I have read it seems to be useful. Good luck, Bill |
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Greetings fellow Sailors, Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co. The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip) in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction? How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well. Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1 lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. We will sell it local and ship it. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud? What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm betting that many will be. Joe Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
ELLago Coffee Co is offical
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction? How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well. Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1 lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. We will sell it local and ship it. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud? What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm betting that many will be. Joe Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. You'll end up burning lots of diesel. But, it's possible you might beat the prevailing winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot charts for that time of year? Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands of dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of latte. I wish you well but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:38:52 -0400, jeff wrote:
Joe wrote: Mr Ukers says in the sailing ship delivery days cargo holds would induce a natural sweating affect on the coffee. As a result, the coffee will turn a rare shade of brown that brings a premium. It is believed that this browning greatly improves the flavor and body of coffee. In the old days Captains that brought in "extra brown" were given a bonus. Coffee brought by sail was termed "ex-sailing ships." After the turn of the century, there were attempts to duplicate the browning process by steam heating coffee brought in by steamships but it was never the same. It is not clear this made better coffee for today's pallet. It was the perception that this was better that raised the price. In addition, it was actually only used then for the low quality Robusta beans, not the high quality Arabica that make up the vast majority of today's specialty market. You must have missed Joe's original post, where his advertising lingo addressed the perception issue. Something about "Sail transported fine coffee." IMO, that kind of marketing will sell more coffee than all the quaint "coffee expert" opinions on proper roasting, grinding, storage, and brewing, which are pretty much ignored by all but coffee fanatics. After all, Starbucks, which you have dismissed, does quite well, doesn't it? And I believe Gevalia is also a striving business. Joe's market won't be coffee fanatics, but those whose fancy is caught by the "sail transported" hype. And that will make the coffee taste better to them. That's how "perception" works. The best cups of coffee I've had weren't because of the coffee, but because of my perceptions. I think Joe's got a terrific idea, and as long as the coffee meets some minimal standards and the marketing is well done, he's got a winner product. The business cost and operating end is yet to be determined, but I'm wishing him luck. Man, I'm already thinking about sipping some sail transported coffee, and feeling the "greenness and goodness" of it! --Vic |
ELLago Coffee Co is offical
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction? How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well. Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1 lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. We will sell it local and ship it. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud? What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm betting that many will be. Joe Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. You'll end up burning lots of diesel. But, it's possible you might beat the prevailing winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot charts for that time of year? Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands of dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of latte. I wish you well but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. Wilbur Hubbard As always, Wilbur is brilliant. Starbucks is about image, it's the privelege of paying $4 for a cup of coffee. If they charged 50 cents a cup they would go broke due to lack of sales. What ever happened to the "Old cup of Joe" like Forrest Tucker made in his helmet in "The Sands of Iwo Jima"? Shells, bombs and bullets flying about, manly men doing manly things and enjoying a simple cup of coffee while the Japs (wearing shiny helmets that reflected the camera lights) bayoneted his buddies. Now that's coffe and that is ambience. Starbucks doesn't even rate compared to that. "Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid." John Wayne, Sands of Iwo Jima |
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On Sep 21, 5:17 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction? How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well. Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1 lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. We will sell it local and ship it. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud? What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm betting that many will be. Joe Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. Yes I have studied a pilot chart. I'll have a current pushing me back You'll end up burning lots of diesel. Not so..Infact none. . But, it's possible you might beat the prevailing winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot charts for that time of year? Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands of dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of latte. I wish you well Thanks Wilbur but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. I bet she has 1000's and 1000's of press contacts dealing with sailing, coffee and green subject matters.Why I bet we will have the press all over this when the timing is right. I figured you guys here would rip me apart with tough questions, what better way to prep for the press than to post on asa:0)? Joe Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 21, 5:17 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: It's the dawn of the new age of sail. It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following: So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . . E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction? How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well. Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not much more cost than from Houston? Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1 lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster? Doh! Your customers will pay the freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping. I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards. Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and this would offset the extra shipping. We will sell it local and ship it. Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps. How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud? What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm betting that many will be. Joe Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. Yes I have studied a pilot chart. I'll have a current pushing me back You'll end up burning lots of diesel. Not so..Infact none. . But, it's possible you might beat the prevailing winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot charts for that time of year? Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands of dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of latte. I wish you well Thanks Wilbur but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. I bet she has 1000's and 1000's of press contacts dealing with sailing, coffee and green subject matters.Why I bet we will have the press all over this when the timing is right. I figured you guys here would rip me apart with tough questions, what better way to prep for the press than to post on asa:0)? Joe Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is more money in Cuban cigars, Jamaican pot, and Columbian coke. |
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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... .. I figured you guys here would rip me apart with tough questions, what better way to prep for the press than to post on asa:0)? Not everyone who stops at a car wreck is there to help. Lloyd |
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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:.. There is a reason that coffee was last hauled on a sailing ship almost 100 years ago. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You sure do talk to much. heheee |
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"Joe" wrote: On Sep 21, 5:17 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Thanks Wilbur but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. I bet she has 1000's and 1000's of press contacts dealing with sailing, coffee and green subject matters.Why I bet we will have the press all over this when the timing is right. I figured you guys here would rip me apart with tough questions, what better way to prep for the press than to post on asa:0)? You thought you would walk the plank? Ding, ding, Joe wins! |
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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote: Not everyone who stops at a car wreck is there to help. Lloyd That is profounding! pro·found /pr?'fa?nd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-found] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun -adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker. 2. originating in or penetrating to the depths of one's being; profound grief. 3. being or going far beneath what is superficial, external, or obvious: profound insight. 4. of deep meaning; of great and broadly inclusive significance: a profound book. 5. pervasive or intense; thorough; complete: a profound silence. 6. extending, situated, or originating far down, or far beneath the surface: the profound depths of the ocean. 7. low: a profound bow. 8. deep. -noun Literary. 9. something that is profound. 10. the deep sea; ocean. 11. depth; abyss. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Origin: 1275-1325; ME AF L profundus deep, vast, equiv. to pro- pro-1 + fundus bottom (see found2)] -Related forms pro·found·ly, adverb pro·found·ness, noun -Synonyms 1. deep, sagacious. -Antonyms 1. shallow, superficial. |
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"Capt. Bess Kidd" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote: On Sep 21, 5:17 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Thanks Wilbur but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the Mermaid is sharp there. I bet she has 1000's and 1000's of press contacts dealing with sailing, coffee and green subject matters.Why I bet we will have the press all over this when the timing is right. I figured you guys here would rip me apart with tough questions, what better way to prep for the press than to post on asa:0)? You thought you would walk the plank? Ding, ding, Joe wins! No, YOU lose. PLONK! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. .. (by the time they roast 10,000 pounds, the first part of production will already be past the "sell by" date without the shipping delay even factored in) you change your story and say you will be bringing a load of more than one item. Please quote me saying a load of "one item". The cargo will all be coffee, not all roasted, not all green. Now you are back to claiming a shipment of 10,000 pounds of coffee. Oh, yeah, your supplier already sells his finished product in the USA on the internet with $4.98 shipping on any sized order. What no link? Maybe you should order 10,000 pounds with $4.98 shipping! Did you do ANY actual research? Really doesn't sound like it. 10,000 lbs of coffee sounds about right, to smuggle in 400 lbs. of 'coke'. You should turn a good profit per trip. Good luck, Joe. Scotty |
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It's Fall now. Nothing like that first morning cup, out in
the cockpit watching the sun come up to dry the dew. Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Thank you Joe, I want you to remember that I'm also a Coffee Lover but not a Coffee Snob. http://d21c.com/nrp1/ccups/pg4-thur.jpeg I've never found a coffee I don't like. Good luck with your new endeavor! Hope it works out for you. ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- JML Sigs |
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