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I've been waiting since this afternoon to post this to the morons like
Dungmaster Sloco who race handicap. Today I was in a REAL sailboat
race and here's how it went:

I had no plans to sail today. I went to the yard to wash Heart of Gold
down because we have a lot of folks sailing with us this weekend.
After about an hour my buddy shows up to mess around with his J29.
With a promise of "I just want to shake out the new #2", we set out
for a planned hour of sailing. As we left I saw a fellow on his J27 (I
recently sold him sails) pulling out. We ended up sailing together for
a bit when he offered a little race...to the turning buoy at the
Throgs Neck and under Stepping Stone back to City Island.
For those less than familiar with these boats, a J29 outboard model
with fractional risk is nearly dead even with a J27.

Air was flukey, but it picked up as we approached the bridge and we
grabbed a slightly crisper line of air and had a 3 or 4 boat lead.
Then the air died for about 30 minutes and we were absolutely
becalmed. We were close to firing up the Yamaha when we saw the J27
starting to move. In a few moments we were sailing near hull speed,
with a very short lead on the J27.

We "won" though it was clear how closely matched the boats are. I had
the helm for most of it. My buddy says I stay in the groove better
than he does and I should race. No interest for me, but we did have a
nice sail. This was a real race, boat for boat. No silly handicaps.
When the J29 rates 117 and the J27 rates 120, who even cares about gay
handicaps. The boat that crosses first wins.

Anyway....sailing tomorrow with Suzanne and Thomas, then doing a
weekend trip through Monday. We don't know where we're sailing to yet.
Perhaps back to Centreport to meet with friends.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message news:

I've been drinking since this afternoon, after 3 beers I
passed and dreamt that I was sailing, no, make that racing.
I won...Hic!

RiB

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Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.

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On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:
Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.



Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:
Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.



Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.

No. Not EVEN close. They might look similar, but looks are about as far as
it goes.

My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

Dut you don't race. Yes, we know, they let you come and sit on their boats
in races, but you aren't racing. Think about it. With your mass, they're
using you for moveable ballast. Especially on J-boats. Moveable ballast is
very important.


RB
35s5
NY

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This was a real race, boat for boat. No silly handicaps. .

ROFLMAO! What a ******. Real race? No committe boat, no pre start,
no handicap but not one design either. So what kind of real race was
it? Even though their numbers might be close the longer water line
wins everytime. You didn't drive a winner. You were supposed to
win. This story was a little better than all the other yarns that the
Boob spins about how he beat some otherr boat on a Sunday afternoon.
Problem is, the people on the other boat never knew they were being
tested. They were watching TV.

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My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub,
PHRF racing is NOT real racing

Always the line people use when they don't have the stones to bring it
out and mix it up.

35s5 ..... Tee hee

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No. Not EVEN close. They might look similar, but looks are about as
far as
it goes.



You're exposing yourself here. The J27 and Frac rig J29 are very close
around the buoys. The masthead J29 is faster.


Think about it. With your mass, they're
using you for moveable ballast.


Then why do they like me to dive the boat?


RB
35s5
NY

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ROFLMAO! What a ******. Real race? No committe boat, no pre start,
no handicap but not one design either. So what kind of real race was
it?



Anyone else surprised that mister funny bones doesn't know what kind
of race it was?
I'll help him out. It was a FRIENDLY race, Sloco. We come from the
same club and I've sailed both boats. They are very closely matched.

It's more of a race that you typically do!



RB
35s5
NY

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Always the line people use when they don't have the stones to bring
it
out and mix it up.



Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch of
Catalinas & Ericsons that think they are in a race because a local
club had a 14 dollar plaque made. One design is racing. PHRF is family
fun, if that's what you like. My ex-girlfriend used to race her J24 in
one design. She agrees PHRF is a joke, even though she wins a lot in
her Catalina 30 that hits it's rating so easily. She knows that many
other boats don't. As I said...a joke! And you bought a boat that is
part of that joke known by so many one design racers.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ps.com...
No.


Then why do they like me to dive the boat?


to clean the bottom?

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Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch of
Catalinas & Ericsons that think they are in a race because a local
club had a 14 dollar plaque made. One design is racing. PHRF is
family
fun, if that's what you like.

I don't know what it's like on Long Island Sound Boobie but you must
not get out much. You'd have a hard time selling that definition to
the Wednesday night crowd in Annapolis for example. Everything comes
out up to and including TP52s. I haven't seen any 35s5S though. Oh,
and they award real silver down here.

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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
Always the line people use when they don't have the stones
to bring
it
out and mix it up.



Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch
of
Catalinas & Ericsons that race

isn't that what Loco said?

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There is only one real race in life.

It is against the clock.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance
run..."

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On Aug 31, 7:44 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:

Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.

Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

RB
35s5
NY

I think you missed my point. It was a subtle recommendation
for you to go out and race some one design. Do that for many
years in many positions, and then you too will be able to talk with
authority on the subject.

If you start now and race two or three days a week, you might
be able to catch up to sloco's experience. I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.

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"Bart" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 31, 7:44 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:

Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.

Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

RB
35s5
NY

I think you missed my point. It was a subtle recommendation
for you to go out and race some one design. Do that for many
years in many positions, and then you too will be able to talk with
authority on the subject.

If you start now and race two or three days a week, you might
be able to catch up to sloco's experience. I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.



I suspect it wouldn't take someone with sloco's vast experience to do that.
:-)


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Aug 31, 2:36?pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
There is only one real race in life.

It is against the clock....

That's true. www.deathclock.com

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,On Aug 31, 10:23?pm, Bart wrote:
I think you missed my point. .

The Boob always misses the point. He never gets it.

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I think you missed my point. It was a subtle recommendation
for you to go out and race some one design.



Oh, so you believe that Sloco's PHRF racing is on the same level as
One Design racing?
I see.



RB
35s5
NY

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The Boob always misses the point. He never gets it.



Actually.....I'm the point. And that's why you end up in the pot more
often than not.



RB
35s5
NY

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I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.



I have serious doubts that any of you sail enough for that to mean
anything. 5 years ago I drew on the vast experience of friends who do
regular crossings and race one design. I bet you heard or even know a
few of them, Bart. I still learn from them, but they would certainly
tell you that I can trim a boat nicely handle the helm. I'd love to
see Sloco sail circles around me since no one else can. In a race
around the buoys he'd probably win since I don't race and could care
less.
So your point means little and I truly think Sloco knows **** about
boats. Like Doug, he walks around thinking he's a vast store house of
sailing knowledge. But like most sailors, he has opinions about stuff
he doesn't know much about. I know people who have designed sails,
built boats they crossed an ocean with and make a real life of
sailing. The fellow who sold me my 35s5 has sailed around the world,
sailed Turner's boat during the Fastnet disaster and is now building a
boat. I'll sail with him next month. It's funny how guys like that
don't have time to post here. He's read these forums and found them
funny as hell.
With a couple of exceptions (Such as Joe who's had professional time
at sea and owns a serious passage maker) you're all weekend warriors
and not too good at that. Bart, get real. You've been working on that
boat...a lovely Ericson I think, for how long? We had a guy come into
the yard last season and he bought a pretty far gone Valliant 40. The
boat needed everything, including blister work and keel damage repair.
He refit that boat in half a season and sailed it home to Ireland.
You've been fixing that thing for YEARS.
Sloco is probably a good PHRF sailor. He's obviously impressed with
himself about it. But he's also a trailer trash asswipe and I like
pointing it out as often as possible!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Bart" wrote in message
ps.com...


If you start now and race two or three days a week, you
might
be able to catch up to loco's experience. I have no doubt
he
can sail circles around you.


while holding a cigarette in one hand,

;)

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I think you hit a nerve, Bart.

:o

"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ps.com...
I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.

Boo Hoo Hoo

I have serious doubts that any of you sail enough for that
to mean
anything. 5 years ago I drew on the vast experience of
friends who do
regular crossings and race one design. I bet you heard or
even know a
few of them, Bart. I still learn from them, but they would
certainly
tell you that I can trim a boat nicely handle the helm.
I'd love to
see Sloco sail circles around me since no one else can. In
a race
around the buoys he'd probably win since I don't race and
could care
less.
So your point means little and I truly think Sloco knows
**** about
boats. Like Doug, he walks around thinking he's a vast
store house of
sailing knowledge. But like most sailors, he has opinions
about stuff
he doesn't know much about. I know people who have
designed sails,
built boats they crossed an ocean with and make a real
life of
sailing. The fellow who sold me my 35s5 has sailed around
the world,
sailed Turner's boat during the Fastnet disaster and is
now building a
boat. I'll sail with him next month. It's funny how guys
like that
don't have time to post here. He's read these forums and
found them
funny as hell.
With a couple of exceptions (Such as Joe who's had
professional time
at sea and owns a serious passage maker) you're all
weekend warriors
and not too good at that. Bart, get real. You've been
working on that
boat...a lovely Ericson I think, for how long? We had a
guy come into
the yard last season and he bought a pretty far gone
Valliant 40. The
boat needed everything, including blister work and keel
damage repair.
He refit that boat in half a season and sailed it home to
Ireland.
You've been fixing that thing for YEARS.
Sloco is probably a good PHRF sailor. He's obviously
impressed with
himself about it. But he's also a trailer trash asswipe
and I like
pointing it out as often as possible!

Boo Hoo
RB
35s5
NY
Boo Hoo

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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ps.com...
I



I have serious doubts

about yourself?




I know people who have designed sails,
built boats they crossed an ocean with and make a real
life of
sailing. The fellow who sold me my 35s5 has sailed around
the world,
sailed Turner's boat during the Fastnet disaster and is
now building a
boat.


Ahhh, I see,...you're a sailor by ASSociation.

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Ahhh, I see,...you're a sailor by ASSociation.



You ARE associated with me, yes.



RB
35s5
NY

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while holding a cigarette in one hand,



So not only is Sloco a tool, but he's also dumb enough to still be
smoking?
I see.

Off for a sail. Keep posting!



RB
35s5
NY

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I'd love to see Sloco sail circles around me since no one else
can. In a race around the buoys he'd probably win since I don't race
and could care less.

Care less? Didn't this guy just post that he was in a "real race"?
Trumpeting that he beat up on a 27 footer with a 29 footer while
claiming they were close in performance. Oh, that's right there was
no starting line or pre start or upwind turn or tacking or jibing
or........................ It was just a drag race between a 29
footer and a 27 footer. That's how it's done in the Matrix.

35s5................ Quick in the Matrix.

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Care less?


Yup. The only one who's filled with care about this stuff is you!


Didn't this guy just post that he was in a "real race"?


More real than your silly handicap races.


Trumpeting that he beat up on a 27 footer with a 29 footer while
claiming they were close in performance.

J27's beat J29 fractionals all the time, boat for boat. I guess you've
sailed neither.


Oh, that's right there was
no starting line or pre start

Nope. We raced for FUN, plankton breath. FUN is something completely
alien to you aboard a boat. You've made than more than obvious!


or upwind turn or tacking or jibing
or........................ It was just a drag race between a 29
footer and a 27 footer.


Yea, a couple of feet of waterline always make a boat faster. Tell us
all about it sloco! Now, care to explain how we got to the bridges and
under stepping stone and back to our docks without tacking or gybing?
Who knew drag races had so many course changes!?


Sloco, you're not just an idiot. You're an enraged idiot and love it!
Going sailing, lubber boy! Keep posting!



RB
35s5
NY

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What a great troll, Bubbles! You've all but admitted that this "race"
was totally imaginary then contradicted yourself a dozen times or
more, and here you have pulled in a couple of dozen answers from real
people who really sail.... sucked them right into your fantasy world.
Congrats!

I very rarely read your posts, but this one was a lulu.

DSK


Care less?

"Capt. Rob" wrote:
Yup. The only one who's filled with care about this stuff is you!

Didn't this guy just post that he was in a "real race"?

More real than your silly handicap races.

Trumpeting that he beat up on a 27 footer with a 29 footer while
claiming they were close in performance.

J27's beat J29 fractionals all the time, boat for boat. I guess you've
sailed neither.

Oh, that's right there was
no starting line or pre start

Nope. We raced for FUN, plankton breath. FUN is something completely
alien to you aboard a boat. You've made than more than obvious!

or upwind turn or tacking or jibing
or........................ It was just a drag race between a 29
footer and a 27 footer.

Yea, a couple of feet of waterline always make a boat faster. Tell us
all about it sloco! Now, care to explain how we got to the bridges and
under stepping stone and back to our docks without tacking or gybing?
Who knew drag races had so many course changes!?

Sloco, you're not just an idiot. You're an enraged idiot and love it!
Going sailing, lubber boy! Keep posting!

RB
35s5
NY

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I very rarely read your posts, but this one was a lulu.



You mean my fantasy world where I post pics and vids of the sailing I
actually do. Then I come home from sailing and find that you've also
responded to my posts during the day while we sailed. I'm off now,
Doug. I have to meet crew by 1:30 while you help your wife do some
shoe shopping.

I'll post pics/vids tomorrow. We may sleep aboard tonight, or come
home tonight for BBQ and sleep aboard tomorrow.

Too bad you're missing the joys of owning a sailboat, Doug!


RB
35s5
NY

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You've all but admitted that this "race"
was totally imaginary then contradicted yourself a dozen times or
more,


Wow!!! I did? Show us all where!!!


RB
35s5
NY

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Me thinks the Boob is loosing it. Maybe we should lay off for a
while. N.Y. doesn't need any more single moms.