On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.


Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

As it happens, I have sailed an Alerion; the Hoyt boom is neat but it
takes up a lot of room on & under the foredeck. Personally, I wouldn't
recommend, unless on a much bigger boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.



Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.



RB
35s5
NY

On Sep 1, 11:28 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Bart wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.

me too... don't like self-tacking jibs either.

I've been a fan of them since I saw one on a 38'
Swedish boat owned b a friend of mine. He and
his son won the Double-Handed Farallone's with
it.

I've used them on Hanse's and the system works
well--any you can put a big Genoa for the light air
days. I only miss the Genoa when sailing down
wind. A spinnaker would fix that.

On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.

RB
35s5
NY

I thought we already discussed this. The only
reason for the boom on that boat is this.

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!

On Sep 2, 11:41 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.

RB
35s5
NY

Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!




Sigh...ho hum.
The Alerion 28 is hardly marketed to anyone "clueless." It's a fairly
high end daysailor and weekender for the more "mature" sailor. Mark
Plough over at Doyle (NY and FL) had one for a while and he's a tad
more knowledgable than you fellas when it comes to sailboats.
Doug was wrong, as usual. Then again, he can argue with my vendor if
he wants.

BTW, Bart....I'm sailing tomorrow with a few friends at 1:00. 150 City
Island Ave. Left side, just past the school. I'm on channel 77. Or
tell the dockmaster you're there for Bob Brody and I'm on K dock near
the end. Looks like plenty of wind. You can also email me in the
morning if you really want to come and I'll buzz you. I don't think
I'm too far from you, maybe 60-90 minute drive?


RB
35s5
NY

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 1, 11:28 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Bart wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.

me too... don't like self-tacking jibs either.

I've been a fan of them since I saw one on a 38'
Swedish boat owned b a friend of mine. He and
his son won the Double-Handed Farallone's with
it.

I've used them on Hanse's and the system works
well--any you can put a big Genoa for the light air
days. I only miss the Genoa when sailing down
wind. A spinnaker would fix that.



My only experience with them was with boats that seemed to have very narrow
tracks athwartships.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.

RB
35s5
NY

I thought we already discussed this. The only
reason for the boom on that boat is this.

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!




Well, the other reasons might be having too much money lying around and not
wanting the stir oneself from one's seat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.


Bobsprit wrote:
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???

Umm, sure.
Whatever you say.

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and a
traditional staysail boom.
If you know what it is, please explain so that we can tell you're not
BSing.... again....



I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.

I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used.

Of course not.

Bart wrote:
Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

Nah, Bubbles makes me laugh. It's clear that he thinks being a sailor
is *cool* but I don't know why he thinks he can fool anybody. Calling
himself "Captain" shows how clueless he is. I don't read very many of
his posts and wouldn't have read this one except for your reply, Bart.

DSK

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.



I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!


RB
35s5
NY