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Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack shipping containers.

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Wilbur Hubbard

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

A. I'm not Italian
B. I prefer tankers



"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:469aeec8$0
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Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack shipping containers.

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Wilbur Hubbard

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
25.201...

A. I'm not Italian
B. I prefer tankers



"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:469aeec8$0
:

Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack shipping containers.

http://kapsi.fi/~anpurola/temp/1184318230469.jpg

Wilbur Hubbard





Tankers? Do you have a death wish? Or are those things safe?

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
et...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
25.201...

A. I'm not Italian
B. I prefer tankers



"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:469aeec8$0
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Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack shipping
containers.

http://kapsi.fi/~anpurola/temp/1184318230469.jpg

Wilbur Hubbard





Tankers? Do you have a death wish? Or are those things safe?


Dangerous as all get out!

I recall a couple years ago an LP tanker exploded and burned somewhere
out of New York on the eastern seaboard. All hands lost. The ship sunk
in deep water. If captain and crew aren't any more careful with propane
than they are with the containers I sure wouldn't want to be anywhere
near it.

But, don't pay no mind to otnmbrd. He's all washed up. He used to
captain the big ships but now they've relegated him to pilot duty where
he can't get into any trouble. Seems his eyes ain't what they used to
be. Anybody can drive a ship in a marked channel with tugboats assisting
to steer them. The nerve of those panty-waist pilots. They got it set up
so they have a job even when they have glasses as thick as Mr. Magoo.

Here you have a case where a captain, who is familiar with his ship,
pilots the damned thing across oceans in all kinds of weather and all
kinds of seas and traffic conditions and along comes some member of the
over-the-hill gang taking over running the ship the captain can run at
least four or five times better. For crying out loud!

Wilbur Hubbard

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

ROFL You know about as much about ships/tankers/pilots as my dog
does......





"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

Dangerous as all get out!

I recall a couple years ago an LP tanker exploded and burned somewhere
out of New York on the eastern seaboard. All hands lost. The ship sunk
in deep water. If captain and crew aren't any more careful with
propane than they are with the containers I sure wouldn't want to be
anywhere near it.

But, don't pay no mind to otnmbrd. He's all washed up. He used to
captain the big ships but now they've relegated him to pilot duty
where he can't get into any trouble. Seems his eyes ain't what they
used to be. Anybody can drive a ship in a marked channel with tugboats
assisting to steer them. The nerve of those panty-waist pilots. They
got it set up so they have a job even when they have glasses as thick
as Mr. Magoo.

Here you have a case where a captain, who is familiar with his ship,
pilots the damned thing across oceans in all kinds of weather and all
kinds of seas and traffic conditions and along comes some member of
the over-the-hill gang taking over running the ship the captain can
run at least four or five times better. For crying out loud!

Wilbur Hubbard

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

"Capt. Lewry" wrote in
et:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
Give me a nice fully loaded tanker with all sorts of GM in a nasty sea, any
day.
If your worried about explosions..... the only time that's really a concern
is during tank cleaning.... the gas freeing stage.




25.201...

A. I'm not Italian
B. I prefer tankers



"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:469aeec8$0 :

Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack shipping
containers.

http://kapsi.fi/~anpurola/temp/1184318230469.jpg

Wilbur Hubbard





Tankers? Do you have a death wish? Or are those things safe?

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

It's simpler than that... dog do.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
25.201...

ROFL You know about as much about ships/tankers/pilots as my dog
does......





"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

Dangerous as all get out!

I recall a couple years ago an LP tanker exploded and burned somewhere
out of New York on the eastern seaboard. All hands lost. The ship sunk
in deep water. If captain and crew aren't any more careful with
propane than they are with the containers I sure wouldn't want to be
anywhere near it.

But, don't pay no mind to otnmbrd. He's all washed up. He used to
captain the big ships but now they've relegated him to pilot duty
where he can't get into any trouble. Seems his eyes ain't what they
used to be. Anybody can drive a ship in a marked channel with tugboats
assisting to steer them. The nerve of those panty-waist pilots. They
got it set up so they have a job even when they have glasses as thick
as Mr. Magoo.

Here you have a case where a captain, who is familiar with his ship,
pilots the damned thing across oceans in all kinds of weather and all
kinds of seas and traffic conditions and along comes some member of
the over-the-hill gang taking over running the ship the captain can
run at least four or five times better. For crying out loud!

Wilbur Hubbard





--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:55:18 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

"Capt. Lewry" wrote in
. net:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
Give me a nice fully loaded tanker with all sorts of GM in a nasty sea, any
day.
If your worried about explosions..... the only time that's really a concern
is during tank cleaning.... the gas freeing stage.

When I was watertending on Great Lake tankers deck hands would toss
some hundreds of pounds of dry ice in the empty tanks before we
refilled. Supposedly suppressed the generation of static electricity.
I preferred to be ashore. Do they still do that?

--Vic

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

I hear offloading an LNG ship is the most worrisome time.

Scotty
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
25.201...
"Capt. Lewry" wrote in
et:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
Give me a nice fully loaded tanker with all sorts of GM in
a nasty sea, any
day.
If your worried about explosions..... the only time that's
really a concern
is during tank cleaning.... the gas freeing stage.





25.201...

A. I'm not Italian
B. I prefer tankers



"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
in
news:469aeec8$0
:

Somebody slap otnmbrd. Teach the guy how to stack
shipping
containers.

http://kapsi.fi/~anpurola/temp/1184318230469.jpg

Wilbur Hubbard





Tankers? Do you have a death wish? Or are those things
safe?

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

I've never sailed on these types. There are some very strict procedures
that must be followed when loading/discharging these ship.
If you look at a number of examples of tanker explosions (barring war)
you'll see most occur during tank cleaning, gas freeing, repairs.
When VLCC's and ULCC's first came into existence there were a number of
explosions during tank cleaning. It was found that due to the size of the
tanks, when cleaning a condition much like a thunderstorm was created in
the tanks and when the oxygen gas mixture got correct.....boom. Hence the
reason for IG (inert gas) and COW (crude oil washing).

I hear offloading an LNG ship is the most worrisome time.

Scotty

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

Never heard of this practice, however, on some cargoes it was common
practice to start loading by gravity only (slow) until the suction bells
were covered to avoid splashing, for much the same reason.
On todays ships, most use inert gas in the tanks to keep the oxygen level
too low for combustion.



Vic Smith wrote in
:


When I was watertending on Great Lake tankers deck hands would toss
some hundreds of pounds of dry ice in the empty tanks before we
refilled. Supposedly suppressed the generation of static electricity.
I preferred to be ashore. Do they still do that?

--Vic

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:58:26 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

Never heard of this practice, however, on some cargoes it was common
practice to start loading by gravity only (slow) until the suction bells
were covered to avoid splashing, for much the same reason.
On todays ships, most use inert gas in the tanks to keep the oxygen level
too low for combustion.

After searching around a bit, it seems the purpose of the dry ice was
to inert the tank. My recollection of looking down into the tank was
there wasn't enough CO2 coming from the blocks to do it, but I didn't
stay around long.
I also found that a number of people have been killed by exploding
tanks when attempting to inert a tank using a CO2 bottle.
The discharge from the bottle itself can generate enough static to
produce a spark before the tank atmosphere becomes non-explosive.
Like they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
Never did like sitting on a bomb myself.

--Vic

Otnmbrd's ship!
 

Vic Smith wrote in
It's been awhile, but some tankers didn't use IG due to possible
contamination of cargo.....either the possible soot could do it or would
change coloration of the cargo itself.
At any rate we all breathed easier with IG. One time as a test we Crude
washed a tank then gas free'd it after which I went down to do some
repairs..... found a few "hot spots" but finished repairs and decided it
wasn't a good idea....i.e., it worked but "no thank you".




:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:58:26 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

Never heard of this practice, however, on some cargoes it was common
practice to start loading by gravity only (slow) until the suction
bells were covered to avoid splashing, for much the same reason.
On todays ships, most use inert gas in the tanks to keep the oxygen
level too low for combustion.

After searching around a bit, it seems the purpose of the dry ice was
to inert the tank. My recollection of looking down into the tank was
there wasn't enough CO2 coming from the blocks to do it, but I didn't
stay around long.
I also found that a number of people have been killed by exploding
tanks when attempting to inert a tank using a CO2 bottle.
The discharge from the bottle itself can generate enough static to
produce a spark before the tank atmosphere becomes non-explosive.
Like they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
Never did like sitting on a bomb myself.

--Vic