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Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:33:03 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

Nice music! (Okay, enjoyed the video too (-:)
About time, eh?
What are finding out about boat during your shakedown cruises?

--Vic

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On Jul 14, 5:33 pm, "Scout" wrote:
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

Looked like a nice sail Scout..I was guessing 4.2 knots then you
showed the GPS speed..right on.

Whats that hanging over the side? Not a fender I hope..

Foldgers....eucK. It's OLD Old old..chock full of fillers, and
chemicals to keep it on the shelves and warehouses and trucks for
years and years.

Fresh hand roasted Kona is the way to go.

Joe

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped
the anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the
stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout



Nice... you might want to consider stowing the fenders, rather than having
them hanging. Also, the lazy sheet should probably be eased a bit more, as
it might distort the clew.

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www.sailnow.com

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped
the anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the
stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout



Nice... you might want to consider stowing the fenders, rather than having
them hanging. Also, the lazy sheet should probably be eased a bit more, as
it might distort the clew.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!
Also, are you saying I should let the mainsail carry the boom? I haven't
actually tried that yet; I adjusted the lazy jacks to lift the boom enough
to clear the dodger. I've never used lazy jacks before; I do like them and
the roller furler too since I often sail shorthanded. Neal mentioned the
lazy jacks fouling the sail and I can see some contact there, although it
doesn't seem to have affected performance in any significant way. If I have
to buy a new mainsail sooner than later, I guess I can live with that, but I
doubt it.
Also, I can see getting used to adjusting the jib will take some practice.
It just doesn't look right, although the sails were full and according to
the gps, we hit 6.8 mph later that same night with 15 mph winds. The jib
sheets got tangled a bit. And, I don't quite have the hang of using the
self-tailing winches yet (it seems easier to pull the jib sheets by hand
than it is to crank the winch (sharing one handle).
Scout

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:33:03 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped
the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the
stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

Nice music! (Okay, enjoyed the video too (-:)
About time, eh?
What are finding out about boat during your shakedown cruises?

Thanks Vic
I wrote some of my findings (questions) in my response to JG. I'll keep you
posted, but in short, I'll tell you that I am starting to love this boat. It
handles well and its shortcomings are mostly my shortcomings; as I learn
more, I'll appreciate the thought that went into the design of this boat.
There are a few things I don't and won't like. The two lines running from
the cockpit to the electric winch for the keel are not the greatest idea;
the lines are extremely hard to pull and sometimes stick (winch keeps
pulling after the line is dropped). This is a real potential problem as the
winch is capable of pulling the centerboard through the lead weight
(shearing). I'm working on an idea to change this setup. Gotta run, I'll
post more later.
Scout

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Fresh hand roasted Kona is the way to go.



Or better to be fit and healthy and don't drink coffee at all.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Fresh hand roasted Kona is the way to go.



Or better to be fit and healthy and don't drink coffee at all.



RB
35s5
NY


Coffee, in moderation, is good for you, especially if you have asthma.

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Not good quality, but a nice vid all the same.Good song.
Glad you are enjoying your boat.
Is that a fender dragging? A sure sign of a n00b, to
others.
How bad are the skeeters?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening
sail. We dropped the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night
under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Foldgers....eucK. It's OLD Old old..chock full of
fillers, and
chemicals to keep it on the shelves and warehouses and
trucks for
years and years.


That's why it's good stuff to keep on the boat.

Scotty

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We
dropped the anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night
under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout


Slovenly done. Lose that fender hanging over the starboard side..

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"Scout" wrote in message news:GP-
Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to
stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to
give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to
the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the
small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!


If they drag in the water they'll slow you down a bit, but
mostky it just looks bad.



Also, are you saying I should let the mainsail carry the
boom? I haven't
actually tried that yet; I adjusted the lazy jacks to lift
the boom enough
to clear the dodger. I've never used lazy jacks before; I
do like them and
the roller furler too since I often sail shorthanded. Neal
mentioned the
lazy jacks fouling the sail and I can see some contact
there, although it
doesn't seem to have affected performance in any
significant way. If I have
to buy a new mainsail sooner than later, I guess I can
live with that, but I
doubt it.


I believe Jon was reffering to your lazy JIB sheet. In the
vid, it looks kinda tight, not a good thing, if it is.

I was going to ask ,after viewing the first vid, if you sail
with the bimini up and how much clearance the boom had. When
I stand in my cockpit, the boom is at nose heighth. I don't
see how I could sail with a bimini.

Is your main haylard tight? Is it on a winch?


Also, I can see getting used to adjusting the jib will
take some practice.
It just doesn't look right, although the sails were full
and according to
the gps, we hit 6.8 mph later that same night with 15 mph
winds. The jib
sheets got tangled a bit.

6.8 is impressive. Do you have a knot log, or just using
the GPS?


And, I don't quite have the hang of using the
self-tailing winches yet (it seems easier to pull the jib
sheets by hand
than it is to crank the winch (sharing one handle).

I always pull the sheets by hand, as far as I can, only need
the handle once there's a lot of tension on the sheet. Does
your line stay in the winch okay?

Scotty

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"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped
the anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the
stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout



Nice... you might want to consider stowing the fenders, rather than
having them hanging. Also, the lazy sheet should probably be eased a bit
more, as it might distort the clew.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!

It's both an asthetic issue and a practical issue. Asthetically, it makes
you look like a lubber. :-) Practically, they're easy to lose when hanging.

It looks like you used a clove hitch (with extra turns) or possibly I can't
see the round turn with the two half hitches. Clove hitches can come undone
fairly easily.

Also, are you saying I should let the mainsail carry the boom? I haven't

No... I was talking about the jib sheets... specifically the sheet not under
load. I think lazy jacks were a boon to sailors who sail short-handed. I
prefer the Dutchman system, but either serve a useful purpose. It's not
unusual for Lazy Jacks to foul or snag battens when the sail is raised.
Coming down, they usually work fine.

actually tried that yet; I adjusted the lazy jacks to lift the boom enough
to clear the dodger. I've never used lazy jacks before; I do like them and
the roller furler too since I often sail shorthanded. Neal mentioned the
lazy jacks fouling the sail and I can see some contact there, although it
doesn't seem to have affected performance in any significant way. If I
have to buy a new mainsail sooner than later, I guess I can live with
that, but I doubt it.
Also, I can see getting used to adjusting the jib will take some practice.
It just doesn't look right, although the sails were full and according to
the gps, we hit 6.8 mph later that same night with 15 mph winds. The jib
sheets got tangled a bit. And, I don't quite have the hang of using the
self-tailing winches yet (it seems easier to pull the jib sheets by hand
than it is to crank the winch (sharing one handle).
Scout

I have self-tailers, but only use them if I have crew or I know I'm not
going to do much tacking/jibing. I only use a winch handle when my or my
crew's timing is off or it's a big boat and we need to jibe in high winds.
Remember, you can always get the helmsman to head up briefly to help you
trim in a sheet.




--
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www.sailnow.com

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Scout" wrote in message news:GP-
Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to
stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to
give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to
the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the
small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!


If they drag in the water they'll slow you down a bit, but
mostky it just looks bad.



Also, are you saying I should let the mainsail carry the
boom? I haven't
actually tried that yet; I adjusted the lazy jacks to lift
the boom enough
to clear the dodger. I've never used lazy jacks before; I
do like them and
the roller furler too since I often sail shorthanded. Neal
mentioned the
lazy jacks fouling the sail and I can see some contact
there, although it
doesn't seem to have affected performance in any
significant way. If I have
to buy a new mainsail sooner than later, I guess I can
live with that, but I
doubt it.


I believe Jon was reffering to your lazy JIB sheet. In the
vid, it looks kinda tight, not a good thing, if it is.

I was going to ask ,after viewing the first vid, if you sail
with the bimini up and how much clearance the boom had. When
I stand in my cockpit, the boom is at nose heighth. I don't
see how I could sail with a bimini.

Is your main haylard tight? Is it on a winch?

my boom clears my bimini with no problem. the boom misses most of my guests
but would crack my skull with a good swing. The main halyard is on a winch
and is about as tight as I can get it.

Also, I can see getting used to adjusting the jib will
take some practice.
It just doesn't look right, although the sails were full
and according to
the gps, we hit 6.8 mph later that same night with 15 mph
winds. The jib
sheets got tangled a bit.

6.8 is impressive. Do you have a knot log, or just using
the GPS?

just a gps


And, I don't quite have the hang of using the
self-tailing winches yet (it seems easier to pull the jib
sheets by hand
than it is to crank the winch (sharing one handle).

I always pull the sheets by hand, as far as I can, only need
the handle once there's a lot of tension on the sheet. Does
your line stay in the winch okay?

I don't think I'm using the winch correctly... I plan to ask some of my
neighbors for a demo.


Scotty

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skeeters not too bad but the horseflies are killer!

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Not good quality, but a nice vid all the same.Good song.
Glad you are enjoying your boat.
Is that a fender dragging? A sure sign of a n00b, to
others.
How bad are the skeeters?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening
sail. We dropped the
anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night
under the stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout

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No... I was talking about the jib sheets... specifically the sheet not
under load. I think lazy jacks were a boon to sailors who sail
short-handed. I prefer the Dutchman system, but either serve a useful
purpose. It's not unusual for Lazy Jacks to foul or snag battens when the
sail is raised. Coming down, they usually work fine.

ahh, thanks Jon, now I see what you mean.

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry about the camera work, but it was a great evening sail. We dropped
the anchor in a small cove at 9:57 PM. Spent a beautiful night under the
stars.

Ol' Thom, the ending of this video is for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdn9HrU-BA

Scout


Slovenly done. Lose that fender hanging over the starboard side..

Agreed.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No... I was talking about the jib sheets... specifically the sheet not
under load. I think lazy jacks were a boon to sailors who sail
short-handed. I prefer the Dutchman system, but either serve a useful
purpose. It's not unusual for Lazy Jacks to foul or snag battens when the
sail is raised. Coming down, they usually work fine.

Jon and Scotty,
My jib sheets run through a block on an adjustable runner. Under what
conditions would I adjust the block forward and when would I set it at the
furthest aft setpoint?

Also, I saw what you mean about the lazy jacks snagging the battens with the
very first raise of the mainsail.
Scout

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"

I have self-tailers, but only use them if I have crew or
I know I'm not
going to do much tacking/jibing.

Huh? Why?

I only use a winch handle when my or my
crew's timing is off or it's a big boat and we need to
jibe in high winds.
Remember, you can always get the helmsman to head up
briefly to help you
trim in a sheet.

Why?


SV

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..


my boom clears my bimini with no problem. the boom misses
most of my guests
but would crack my skull with a good swing.





So you can't stand erect under it?


The main halyard is on a winch
and is about as tight as I can get it.

Thought I saw a few wrinkles, maybe not.

Scotty

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"Scout" wrote in


Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to
stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to
give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to
the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the
small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!


You want them with the boat, may need them away from your
dock some day.
There are 'brackets' to hang fenders from your stanchions.
You could make something easy enough.
Or just tie them to the lifelines, inboard, so they don't
hang (lubbery) or touch the water when you bury the rail.

I'm lazy too, don't sweat the small stuff. The main thing is
to enjoy your boat.

Scotty

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Or just tie them to the lifelines, inboard, so they don't
hang (lubbery) or touch the water when you bury the rail.



Bwahaahahahahhahahahaa!!!!
But it aint the safe way to sail. If you're willing to do something
stupid, don't shed your idiocy by telling others it's okay for them to
do it to.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Or just tie them to the lifelines, inboard, so they don't
hang (lubbery) or touch the water when you bury the rail.




Bwahaahahahahhahahahaa!!!!
But it aint the safe way to sail. If you're willing to do
something
stupid, don't shed your idiocy by telling others it's okay
for them to
do it to.


safe? what the hell are you blubbering about blubber boy?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"

I have self-tailers, but only use them if I have crew or
I know I'm not
going to do much tacking/jibing.

Huh? Why?

Mostly because it's easier to not have to get the sheet in the self-tailer.
It's a lot easier to just put the line on a cleat just behind the winch.

I only use a winch handle when my or my
crew's timing is off or it's a big boat and we need to
jibe in high winds.
Remember, you can always get the helmsman to head up
briefly to help you
trim in a sheet.

Why?

Ego.


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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No... I was talking about the jib sheets... specifically the sheet not
under load. I think lazy jacks were a boon to sailors who sail
short-handed. I prefer the Dutchman system, but either serve a useful
purpose. It's not unusual for Lazy Jacks to foul or snag battens when the
sail is raised. Coming down, they usually work fine.

Jon and Scotty,
My jib sheets run through a block on an adjustable runner. Under what
conditions would I adjust the block forward and when would I set it at the
furthest aft setpoint?

Typically, the bigger the jib, the further back the fairlead. You want the
sheet to "point" at the middle of the luff of the sail. In lighter wind or
sailing downwind (this is a nuance adjustment in my opinion and sometimes
not worth the effort), you can move the fairlead forward a small amount to
increase the twist of the jib.


Also, I saw what you mean about the lazy jacks snagging the battens with
the very first raise of the mainsail.
Scout

Yeah, they're great for capturing the sail on the way down. Going up, you
have to experiment with adjusting them to get it right. I've never been able
to get them to the point of never fouling the battens, and I didn't want to
hassle with it if I'm by myself.


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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Scout" wrote in


Jon (and Joe)
Other than aesthetics, is there any practical value to
stowing the fenders
onboard? I know this doesn't look as nice, but I hate to
give up any space
onboard for them. I could leave them permanently tied to
the dock
(floating). I am essentially lazy when it comes to the
small stuff, but, I
am always willing to listen to good advice!


You want them with the boat, may need them away from your
dock some day.
There are 'brackets' to hang fenders from your stanchions.
You could make something easy enough.
Or just tie them to the lifelines, inboard, so they don't
hang (lubbery) or touch the water when you bury the rail.

I'm lazy too, don't sweat the small stuff. The main thing is
to enjoy your boat.

Scotty




The downsides to keeping them on deck is that someone could trip on them or
they could roll off. If it's for a short while, then I do that. Most of the
time, I stow them.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Or just tie them to the lifelines, inboard, so they don't
hang (lubbery) or touch the water when you bury the rail.




Bwahaahahahahhahahahaa!!!!
But it aint the safe way to sail. If you're willing to do
something
stupid, don't shed your idiocy by telling others it's okay
for them to
do it to.


safe? what the hell are you blubbering about blubber boy?

He's forgetting that he thought it was just fine to leave them on deck a
year or so ago.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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So you can't stand erect under it?

Must you gay up every post?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"

Mostly because it's easier to not have to get the sheet in
the self-tailer.
It's a lot easier to just put the line on a cleat just
behind the winch.


Wha? What kind of STs do you have? Before I make ready to
come about, I wrap the lazy sheet around the winch body and
through the self tailing part. How hard is that?

SBV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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So you can't stand erect under it?

Must you gay up every post?


'sat you Jon?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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So you can't stand erect under it?

Must you gay up every post?


'sat you Jon?




Gross. Don't encourage Neal.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"

Mostly because it's easier to not have to get the sheet in
the self-tailer.
It's a lot easier to just put the line on a cleat just
behind the winch.


Wha? What kind of STs do you have? Before I make ready to
come about, I wrap the lazy sheet around the winch body and
through the self tailing part. How hard is that?

SBV




Using a cleat is easier for me. For one thing, it's closer to the helm. And,
I don't have to unwrap it. I don't have a full cleat hitch on the cleat, so
I can do it with one quick motion.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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So you can't stand erect under it?

Must you gay up every post?


'sat you Jon?




Gross. Don't encourage Neal.

to come out?

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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So you can't stand erect under it?

Must you gay up every post?


'sat you Jon?




Gross. Don't encourage Neal.

to come out?

I think that ship has sailed....

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