On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
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I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

Not the newest I hope! I've had my OUPV for several years. I couldn't view
the vid very well, but it looked like they were going way to fast, way to
close.

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Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

Joe

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On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...

I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

Not the newest I hope! I've had my OUPV for several years. I couldn't
view
the vid very well, but it looked like they were going way to fast, way to
close.

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Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

Joe



They were going too slowly? Maybe for a 1600 tonner... :-)


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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
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Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.

--Vic

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:37:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.

--Vic

Wait. I take it back. Don't tie off the tangle rope.

--Vic

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:30:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:37:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.


Wait. I take it back. Don't tie off the tangle rope.


No! Blue! Blue! My favorite color is blue!

--Vic

"Joe" wrote in message
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Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a
classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso
the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the
engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should
fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=



Sea Tow should carry LAWS rockets for such occasions.

On Jul 12, 1:37 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.

Getting athwart is not the problem. As seen the coxswain.. after
taking the load tried to turn to come along side the un-manned
vessel....., first he did not have enough slack to make the turn,
second he allowed the load to pull him over.


Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.

I do not think they have backing cleats on Sea-tow boats...I may be
wrong but doubt it.

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.


Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

Joe



--Vic

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:



Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.


Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty cool.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

On Jul 12, 9:18 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.

Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty cool.www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

Had the helsman of the seatow boat turned away from the circling boat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing the boat
to be tripped.

Good story on You Tube.

Joe

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On Jul 12, 9:18 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.

Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty
cool.www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

Had the helsman of the seatow boat turned away from the circling boat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing the boat
to be tripped.

Good story on You Tube.

Joe



I like the idea of snagging the prop... seems like that would just about do
it.

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