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Heart of Gold Gets an Ouchy
While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! RB 35s5 NY |
Heart of Gold Gets an Ouchy
That's hard to believe!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! RB 35s5 NY |
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That's hard to believe!
I know! Thankfully it's an easy fix and I'm letting the yard do a mid- season clean up on the engine while she's out of the water.....and of course a nice clean bottom again. I put my friend's Catalina 30 in our slip for now. Waste not want not! RB 35s5 NY |
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I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the
club. "Capt. **** Head" wrote in message oups.com.. .. "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! RB 35s5 NY That's hard to believe! I know! Thankfully it's an easy fix and I'm letting the yard do a mid- season clean up on the engine while she's out of the water.....and of course a nice clean bottom again. I put my friend's Catalina 30 in our slip for now. Waste not want not! RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jul 10, 7:46 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
That's hard to believe! I know! Thankfully it's an easy fix and I'm letting the yard do a mid- season clean up on the engine while she's out of the water.....and of course a nice clean bottom again. I put my friend's Catalina 30 in our slip for now. Waste not want not! RB 35s5 NY Thats just another example of why full keel boats are far superior. No long section of shaft exposed to be bent, no strut to worry about either. Joe |
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Thats just another example of why full keel boats are far superior.
No long section of shaft exposed to be bent, no strut to worry about either. The problem, Joe, is that there are too many days on the LIS where full keel boats can hardly sail at all. In 10 knots Heart of Gold can sail well and produce some smiles. But most full keel boats require more than that to show their stuff. Most folks seek out lighter fins here for that reason. And whenever I sail on my friend's J29, it makes me wonder if that's not the "ideal" boat a lot of the time. True, if I was planning much more than daysailing and weekend jaunts, a full keel would have it's obvious strengths. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
That's hard to believe! I know! Thankfully it's an easy fix and I'm letting the yard do a mid- season clean up on the engine while she's out of the water. Why does your engine need a "clean up"? Does it leak fluids, are the gaskets shot, does it spit hot oil? Cheers Marty |
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I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the
club. Yeah, I'm the only one here sailing and posting sailing pics. Haven't seen ANY from you and we all know you aren't sailing. Not posting for a day or two and then hinting that you were on your boat isn't fooling anyone. RB 35s5 NY |
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*I* don't need to prove anything to anybody.
"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message ps.com... I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the club. Yeah, I'm the only one here sailing and posting sailing pics. Haven't seen ANY from you and we all know you aren't sailing. Not posting for a day or two and then hinting that you were on your boat isn't fooling anyone. RB 35s5 NY |
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*I* don't need to prove anything to anybody.
Take it easy, Scotty. I'm sure we all believe you go sailing. Uh huh. It's kinda sad that you think sharing some sailing shots here would be viewed as "proof" of some sort. I guess we know where you stand RB 35s5 NY |
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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. .. now. Waste not want not! RB 35s5 NY Thats just another example of why full keel boats are far superior. No long section of shaft exposed to be bent, no strut to worry about either. it's just another example of boob's incompetence Scotty |
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On Jul 10, 9:01 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Thats just another example of why full keel boats are far superior. No long section of shaft exposed to be bent, no strut to worry about either. The problem, Joe, is that there are too many days on the LIS where full keel boats can hardly sail at all. In 10 knots Heart of Gold can sail well and produce some smiles. But most full keel boats require more than that to show their stuff. Most folks seek out lighter fins here for that reason. Yeah I guess..light winds and only sailing 6 mo a year must suck. A frien had a P-30 here..way to nimble. And the 35s5 usually go with a deeper keel that restricts them to where they can sail. And whenever I sail on my friend's J29, it makes me wonder if that's not the "ideal" boat a lot of the time. There is a big pack of J's at the Wensday night races here, they are lake boats and rarely venture to the bay. True, if I was planning much more than daysailing and weekend jaunts, a full keel would have it's obvious strengths. Yelp..you said it "obvious strengths" as in not frail and nimble. You left out more flexable and faster too. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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Yelp..you said it "obvious strengths" as in not frail and nimble. You
left out more flexable and faster too. There are no full keels around here that are faster than Heart of Gold in any conditions. Even in heavy air she'll fly. I know you know enough about boats to understand that full keels usually aren't great racers, nor good for rapid runs to Oyster Bay or Port Jeff if winds are not really blowing. I have a friend with a 40 foot Vindo and there is really no point of sail I can't pass him on. A Vindo is a fairly good sailing full keel boat by the way. Sailing on his boat in anything less than 13-14 knots is a pretty dull ride and even he prefers to sail Heart of Gold for shear sailing fun. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jul 10, 10:32 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Yelp..you said it "obvious strengths" as in not frail and nimble. You left out more flexable and faster too. There are no full keels around here that are faster than Heart of Gold in any conditions. Even in heavy air she'll fly. I know you know enough about boats to understand that full keels usually aren't great racers, nor good for rapid runs to Oyster Bay or Port Jeff if winds are not really blowing. I have a friend with a 40 foot Vindo and there is really no point of sail I can't pass him on. A Vindo is a fairly good sailing full keel boat by the way. Sailing on his boat in anything less than 13-14 knots is a pretty dull ride and even he prefers to sail Heart of Gold for shear sailing fun. Get the Vindo and the 35s5 offshore in 12 fters with 40 knots of wind and get back to me. The Vindo will be faster,..infact it might be a pleasent ride on the Vindo.. while the ride 35s5 will be "Horrid" . Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the club. Yeah, I'm the only one here sailing and posting sailing pics. Haven't seen ANY from you and we all know you aren't sailing. Not posting for a day or two and then hinting that you were on your boat isn't fooling anyone. Scotty neither has the need, nor the desire to 'fool' anybody. He doesn't have to ask his wife if he can taker her boat out either. Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ Do your users want the best web-email gateway? Don't let your customers drift off to free webmail services install your own web gateway! -- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_webmail.htm ---- |
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Get the Vindo and the 35s5 offshore in 12 fters with 40 knots of wind
and get back to me. The Vindo will be faster,..infact it might be a pleasent ride on the Vindo.. while the ride 35s5 will be "Horrid" . We bought the 35s5 for protected waters, but also keep in mind that a 35s5 won quite a few offshore races including a solo Atlantic crossing race two years ago. I bet the 35s5 is a handful in heavy offshore conditions, but we didn't expect anything like that. She was bought for local daysailing and cruising with our toddler. A full keel boat would have been a sound choice. In fact a couple at our club bought a IP 35 and after just one season aboard with their two kids, they ended up buying a Jeaneau to replace her. That says something since the new IP is a quick full keel boat that surprised me when I sailed her. I love full keel boats, Joe. But they are not a top pick for all sailing grounds. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! RB 35s5 NY Did you hit a curb in the parking lot? |
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Scotty neither has the need, nor the desire to 'fool' anybody. He
doesn't have to ask his wife if he can taker her boat out either. Scotty's boat is on the hard again, Martin. Snap out of it. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. Flimsy Beneteaus. Max |
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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/10/2007 8:11 AM:
While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! Fouling something hard enough to bend a shaft while leaving the marina doesn't speak well for your seamanship or the construction quality of your boat. |
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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/10/2007 10:01 AM:
The problem, Joe, is that there are too many days on the LIS where full keel boats can hardly sail at all. You keep making this claim, but the fact is the average wind in your area is stronger than most parts of the country. Not the I'm claiming you should have a crab crusher. |
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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/10/2007 10:12 AM:
I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the club. Yeah, I'm the only one here sailing and posting sailing pics. Some of us have been too busy sailing to post pics of little daysails. Jeff, aboard Loki in Vineyard Haven Harbor |
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OUCH!
"Jeff" wrote in message ... * Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/10/2007 10:12 AM: I meant that it's hard to believe that you actually left the club. Yeah, I'm the only one here sailing and posting sailing pics. Some of us have been too busy sailing to post pics of little daysails. Jeff, aboard Loki in Vineyard Haven Harbor SMACKDOWN !!!!!!!!!! Vic |
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You keep making this claim, but the fact is the average wind in your
area is stronger than most parts of the country. Jeff, with all due respect, are you claiming that the LIS has higher winds during the sailing season? Average winds might be high if you count January and February, but the July August period can be downright dead. This has been a good year so far, but I have friends who went to the Jersey Shore because winds here were too light for their Tartan 37 and Pearson Wanderer. In fact we had a fellow with a Triton who left our club two weeks ago for that reason and I think we've been hit by good winds this season. That's because I bought a vessel perfect for these local conditions. I love full keel boats, but at least a 3rd of the time I see them here they are under power and for good reason. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... You keep making this claim, but the fact is the average wind in your area is stronger than most parts of the country. Jeff, with all due respect, are you claiming that the LIS has higher winds during the sailing season? Read it again....s l o w e r . |
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Jeff wrote:
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/10/2007 8:11 AM: While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. OUCHY! Fouling something hard enough to bend a shaft while leaving the marina doesn't speak well for your seamanship or the construction quality of your boat. Boat was on stands in the yard, Bob backed the Aerostar into the prop...... Cheers Marty |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
While leaving the club, our prop fouled something. In spite of our Drivesaver, our shaft picked up a slight bend and I'm now shorthauled for the repair. The Drivesaver is not meant to protect your shaft, it protects the transmision and engine. Once again something you may have heard of but know nothing about. Cheers Marty |
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Fouling something hard enough to bend a shaft while leaving the
marina doesn't speak well for your seamanship or the construction quality of your boat. You're right! I should've had my forward looking sonar aimed right at the surface, as whatever it was did not appear at the surface even after we hit it. Our shaft was not made by Beneteau, but clearly it must have been inferior French steel! RB 35s5 NY |
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The Drivesaver is not meant to protect your shaft, it protects the
transmision and engine. Once again something you may have heard of but know nothing about. Wrong agaiin, Martin. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver and they claim that shaft damage is less likely with their drivesaver. They make zero claims that ANY component will be protected 100%, but a light strike to a propeller can be abosrbed by the drivesaver. Looks like it did protect the tranny, but we'll never know for sure. I guess we won't be seeing any sailing shots from you this year, right Martin? Oh yeah...you don't have to "prove" anything! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The Drivesaver is not meant to protect your shaft, it protects the transmision and engine. Once again something you may have heard of but know nothing about. Wrong agaiin, Martin. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver and they claim that shaft damage is less likely with their drivesaver. They make zero claims that ANY component will be protected 100%, but a light strike to a propeller can be abosrbed by the drivesaver. Looks like it did protect the tranny, but we'll never know for sure. I guess we won't be seeing any sailing shots from you this year, right Martin? Oh yeah...you don't have to "prove" anything! RB 35s5 NY Looks like Marty is correct again: http://globerubberworks.com/nav.php?products_drivesaver "A light strike to the propeller can be absorbed by the drivesaver." The drivesaver is functionally nothing more than a rubber isolated shear pin. The bolts have to break to "absorb" anything. The rubber can only absorb axial, not radial or torque forces. Once again, you shower us with lies and idiocy! Moooo-hoooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!! Flimsy propeller shaft not properly supported! What did you hit? A submerged clorox bottle? Run over your own dock line? Mooooo-hoooo-haaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
The Drivesaver is not meant to protect your shaft, it protects the transmision and engine. Once again something you may have heard of but know nothing about. Wrong agaiin, Martin. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver Sure you did Bob, whatever you say Bob.... Ignorance is reversable, but stupidity, alas is forever. Cheers Marty |
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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/11/2007 9:01 AM:
You keep making this claim, but the fact is the average wind in your area is stronger than most parts of the country. Jeff, with all due respect, are you claiming that the LIS has higher winds during the sailing season? Average winds might be high if you count January and February, but the July August period can be downright dead. Yes, I'm claiming that. Specifically, the wind measured a La Guardia a few miles from your slip is near the top of the list for sailing areas near a major city, even for July and August. Boston is actually at the top of the list. You have cited the LGA wind as being representative of your area. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...d/avgwind.html This has been a good year so far, but I have friends who went to the Jersey Shore because winds here were too light for their Tartan 37 and Pearson Wanderer. The wind in Atlantic City is considerably lighter than NY. Of course, there is no "inside" sailing at AC, anyone there (or in other NJ ports) would go offshore for sailing, and that's different weather. The issue your friend has is that your area is too far removed from real sailing grounds. Once your horizon is further than line of sight, you want better access to open water. Don't worry, it took 20 years of daysailing before my horizons broadened; you're still young so it may yet happen to you while you can still handle a line. In fact we had a fellow with a Triton who left our club two weeks ago for that reason and I think we've been hit by good winds this season. That's because I bought a vessel perfect for these local conditions. Yes, your boat is perfect for someone who neither races nor cruises, and never leaves you local protected area. I love full keel boats, but at least a 3rd of the time I see them here they are under power and for good reason. Indeed, that's the case for most boats that travel. |
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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/11/2007 9:25 AM:
Fouling something hard enough to bend a shaft while leaving the marina doesn't speak well for your seamanship or the construction quality of your boat. You're right! I should've had my forward looking sonar aimed right at the surface, as whatever it was did not appear at the surface even after we hit it. No, you should not have been going faster than you reaction time would allow you to throttle back or go into neutral, especially if you were still near the marina. This is yet another case like your hitting a rock and then claiming everyone does it. Snagging a line is fairly common; wrapping it so tight you bend a shaft is more likely incompetence. Doing it inside the marina is pretty stupid! Our shaft was not made by Beneteau, but clearly it must have been inferior French steel! So, your claiming that someone other than Beneteau took the proper shaft out of you boat and put in an inferior replacement??? Shouldn't a survey catch that? |
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On Jul 11, 8:25 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Fouling something hard enough to bend a shaft while leaving the marina doesn't speak well for your seamanship or the construction quality of your boat. You're right! I should've had my forward looking sonar aimed right at the surface, as whatever it was did not appear at the surface even after we hit it. Our shaft was not made by Beneteau, but clearly it must have been inferior French steel! RB 35s5 NY Did you get SeaTow to haul you back to the dock, or Tow-boats US? Joe |
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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message oups.com.. .. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver and they claim that shaft damage is less likely with their drivesaver. They also claim that ANY incomponent sailor can damage anything. they could tell just from talking to you on the phone? no surprise there. |
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... RB 35s5 NY Did you get SeaTow to haul you back to the dock, or Tow-boats US? I May-Dayed the coasties and they called SeaTow. RB 355s55 NY |
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No, you should not have been going faster than you reaction time
would allow you to throttle back or go into neutral, especially if you were still near the marina. According to the head mechanic, the damage was instant and the decoupling also instant. Throttling back wasn't going to hurt or help. I shut the engine down. Thier verdict: A semi-submerged log or timber of some sort Snagging a line is fairly common; wrapping it so tight you bend a shaft is more likely incompetence. Doing it inside the marina is pretty stupid! I did not hit a line. So, your claiming that someone other than Beneteau took the proper shaft out of you boat and put in an inferior replacement??? Shouldn't a survey catch that? Nope. I was making light of your comment regarding build quality. Especially not knowing what we hit, how it engaged the prop and so on. You can do what we did: Guess. The head mechanic probably knows more about such things than you do. He said there was no way we could have avoided it and we were barely turning 2000 RPM. When our tow boat came around they said something hard bumped their boat, but they couldn't see it. But knowing what happened they arrived with the big Yamaha tilted halfway up. RB 35s5 NY |
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Did you get SeaTow to haul you back to the dock, or Tow-boats US?
The beauty of working with my club is that I made a quick call and they brought us to the travel lift using the service boat. RB 35s5 NY |
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Wrong agaiin, Martin. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver
Sure you did Bob, whatever you say Bob.... Spoke to Mark over there, Martin. You're welcome to call him up and check up on it, hear what he has to say. I've sold 4 of the Drivesavers thus far and the breakaway point CAN save a shaft from damage, especially when fouling lines. Period. Call and talk to them about it. Do you want me to explain EXACTLY how the drivesaver can save a sailboat shaft? My guess is that even YOU will be able to understand the physics. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Wrong agaiin, Martin. I spoke to the folks at Drivesaver Sure you did Bob, whatever you say Bob.... Spoke to Mark over there, Martin. You're welcome to call him up and check up on it, hear what he has to say. I've sold 4 of the Drivesavers thus far and the breakaway point CAN save a shaft from damage, especially when fouling lines. Period. Call and talk to them about it. Do you want me to explain EXACTLY how the drivesaver can save a sailboat shaft? My guess is that even YOU will be able to understand the physics. Tell us how it saved yours! Rubber is a spring like material that returns to its original shape. So how does this absorb energy? If you really believe rubber or springs absorb energy then you must also believe that ice coolers stay cool by absorbing the heat that impinges on them. Explain the physics, please! Tell us! You stupid dolt!!! Mooooooo-hoooooooo-haaaaaaaaa-haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! |
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