SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

..........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt


The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt


It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

JeanneDArc~ wrote:
.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt


The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt


It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again


You club baby seals, too?

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called katy
stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: JeanneDArc~ wrote:
:: .........................Whale
::
:: Whale swims about
:: The sea of blue.
:: Whale dives down deep
:: Below our view.
:: Whale jumps up high
:: To breathe some air.
:: Whale sprays a water
:: Fountain there.
:: Whale flaps a fin
:: To and fro
:: Then goes diving down below.
:: until I catch and eat
:: and so goes my
::
:: whale reciep:
::
:::
:: 1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
:: 3 dl red wine
:: 1 dl vegetable oil
:: 3 ground cloves
:: 1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
:: 2 teaspoonfuls of salt
::
::
:: The Marinade
:: 3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
:: dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt
::
::
:: It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
:: shape.
:: Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
:: joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
:: Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
:: Cook
:: the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
:: the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
:: approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
:: over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
:: juices
:: to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
:: marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
:: or
:: other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan
::
:: JDA~sailing again
::
:
: You club baby seals, too?

she's norweigian so that is likely.

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 Most Hated Usenetizen Of All Time#1
Top Asshole on the Net#4 Usenet Ruiner#11 Lits Slut#1
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

I dread success. To have succeeded is to have finished one's business
on earth, like the male spider, who is killed by the female the moment
he has succeeded in his courtship. I like a state of continual
becoming, with a goal in front and not behind. - George Bernard Shaw
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order.
Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on
his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned.
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================================================== ====================
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post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."

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================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
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|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

Steve Leyland wrote:

:
: You club baby seals, too?

she's norweigian so that is likely.

Steve, do try and be a little less slothful, if you are going to post a
one line answer take the time to cut the original posting. Does having a
signature that is generally longer than anything you answer reflect on
the size of your jib?

Cheers
marty

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

On 27 Jun, 23:34, katy wrote:
JeanneDArc~ wrote:
.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt

The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt

It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

You club baby seals, too?

What is the different?
You eat chicken,
I drink seal oil ;-)

JDA~today

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

On 28 Jun, 08:21, "Steve Leyland"
wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called katy
stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: JeanneDArc~ wrote:

:: .........................Whale
::
:: Whale swims about
:: The sea of blue.
:: Whale dives down deep
:: Below our view.
:: Whale jumps up high
:: To breathe some air.
:: Whale sprays a water
:: Fountain there.
:: Whale flaps a fin
:: To and fro
:: Then goes diving down below.
:: until I catch and eat
:: and so goes my
::
:: whale reciep:
::
:::
:: 1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
:: 3 dl red wine
:: 1 dl vegetable oil
:: 3 ground cloves
:: 1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
:: 2 teaspoonfuls of salt
::
::
:: The Marinade
:: 3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
:: dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt
::
::
:: It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
:: shape.
:: Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
:: joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
:: Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
:: Cook
:: the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
:: the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
:: approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
:: over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
:: juices
:: to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
:: marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
:: or
:: other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan
::
:: JDA~sailing again
::
:
: You club baby seals, too?

she's norweigian so that is likely.
I am not a vegitarian, so that is likely.

JDA~today

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

On 28 Jun, 15:33, Martin Baxter wrote:
Steve Leyland wrote:

:
: You club baby seals, too?

she's norweigian so that is likely.

Steve, do try and be a little less slothful, if you are going to post a
one line answer take the time to cut the original posting. Does having a
signature that is generally longer than anything you answer reflect on
the size of your jib?

Bingo :)~~

JDA~today

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

JeanneDArc~ wrote:
On 27 Jun, 23:34, katy wrote:

JeanneDArc~ wrote:

.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt

The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt

It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

You club baby seals, too?


What is the different?
You eat chicken,
I drink seal oil ;-)

JDA~today




Chickens are domestic animals and are bred specifically to that
purpose...seals and whales are endangered species...big
difference...sure you don't drink Overproof?

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

katy wrote:
JeanneDArc~ wrote:
On 27 Jun, 23:34, katy wrote:

JeanneDArc~ wrote:

.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt

The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt

It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

You club baby seals, too?
What is the different?
You eat chicken,
I drink seal oil ;-)
JDA~today

Chickens are domestic animals and are bred specifically
to that purpose...seals and whales are endangered
species...big difference...sure you don't drink
Overproof?

Seals are endangered? That's news... And the whales
that are being hunted are not endangered either.

So tell me, how does it become okay to kill chickens for
food and not okay to kill whales for food? The fact that
you torture the chicken for it's entire short life doesn't
seem to be a plus...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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On 28 Jun, 20:01, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
katy wrote:
JeanneDArc~ wrote:
On 27 Jun, 23:34, katy wrote:

JeanneDArc~ wrote:

.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt

The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt

It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

You club baby seals, too?
What is the different?
You eat chicken,
I drink seal oil ;-)
JDA~today

Chickens are domestic animals and are bred specifically
to that purpose...seals and whales are endangered
species...big difference...sure you don't drink
Overproof?

Seals are endangered? That's news... And the whales
that are being hunted are not endangered either.

So tell me, how does it become okay to kill chickens for
food and not okay to kill whales for food? The fact that
you torture the chicken for it's entire short life doesn't
seem to be a plus...

Some people are to blind to understand that.They are to scared to eat
the "wrong" meat.
there are whatsoever no difference between a mice and a whales life :-)

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JeanneDArc~ wrote:
On 28 Jun, 20:01, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

katy wrote:

JeanneDArc~ wrote:

On 27 Jun, 23:34, katy wrote:

JeanneDArc~ wrote:

.........................Whale

Whale swims about
The sea of blue.
Whale dives down deep
Below our view.
Whale jumps up high
To breathe some air.
Whale sprays a water
Fountain there.
Whale flaps a fin
To and fro
Then goes diving down below.
until I catch and eat
and so goes my

whale reciep:

:
1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
3 dl red wine
1 dl vegetable oil
3 ground cloves
1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
2 teaspoonfuls of salt

The Marinade
3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt

It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
shape.
Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
Cook
the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down
the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint,
approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it
over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the
juices
to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
or
other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan

JDA~sailing again

You club baby seals, too?

What is the different?
You eat chicken,
I drink seal oil ;-)
JDA~today

Chickens are domestic animals and are bred specifically
to that purpose...seals and whales are endangered
species...big difference...sure you don't drink
Overproof?

Seals are endangered? That's news... And the whales
that are being hunted are not endangered either.

So tell me, how does it become okay to kill chickens for
food and not okay to kill whales for food? The fact that
you torture the chicken for it's entire short life doesn't
seem to be a plus...


Some people are to blind to understand that.They are to scared to eat
the "wrong" meat.
there are whatsoever no difference between a mice and a whales life :-)


Yes...there's a great difference...a mouse is a rodent with a limited
brain capacity...a whale is an intelligent creature...eat all the mice
you want...Farley Mowat did and got along just fine..just leave the
whales and dolphins alone...

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katy wrote:
JeanneDArc~ wrote:
there are whatsoever no difference between a mice and a whales life :-)


Yes...there's a great difference...a mouse is a rodent
with a limited brain capacity...a whale is an
intelligent creature...eat all the mice you
want...Farley Mowat did and got along just fine..just
leave the whales and dolphins alone...

Farley Mowat writes *fiction*, and you have been
suckered in more ways than one.

Whales are about as smart as cows. Cattle are pretty
near the dumbest animal in the farm yard. And mice are
significantly smarter. And pigs are even more intelligent,
yet we eat ham, bacon, pork chops etc.

The only possible argument that makes sense in relation
to mice and whales is that it would require killing a
million mice to feed as many people as killing just one
whale. Therefore, to reduce the death and mayhem, eat
whales not mice.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Martin
Baxter stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: Steve Leyland wrote:
::
:::
::: You club baby seals, too?
::
:: she's norweigian so that is likely.
:
: Steve, do try and be a little less slothful, if you are going to post
: a one line answer take the time to cut the original posting. Does
: having a signature that is generally longer than anything you answer
: reflect on the size of your jib?

is that some sort of homosexual advance on me, marty?
although I'm flattered that you find me attractive, I'm straight.
:
: Cheers
: marty

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 Most Hated Usenetizen Of All Time#1
Top Asshole on the Net#4 Usenet Ruiner#11 Lits Slut#1
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has
been extinguished.
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order.
Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on
his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned.
*plonk*" bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."

Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

SAILING AGAIN TO CATCH A .............
 

Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
JeanneDArc~ stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: On 28 Jun, 08:21, "Steve Leyland"
: wrote:
:: Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
:: katy stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:
::
::: JeanneDArc~ wrote:
::
:::: .........................Whale
::::
:::: Whale swims about
:::: The sea of blue.
:::: Whale dives down deep
:::: Below our view.
:::: Whale jumps up high
:::: To breathe some air.
:::: Whale sprays a water
:::: Fountain there.
:::: Whale flaps a fin
:::: To and fro
:::: Then goes diving down below.
:::: until I catch and eat
:::: and so goes my
::::
:::: whale reciep:
::::
:::::
:::: 1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
:::: 3 dl red wine
:::: 1 dl vegetable oil
:::: 3 ground cloves
:::: 1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
:::: 2 teaspoonfuls of salt
::::
::::
:::: The Marinade
:::: 3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
:::: dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt
::::
::::
:::: It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
:::: shape.
:::: Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
:::: joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
:::: Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
:::: Cook
:::: the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn
:::: down the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the
:::: joint, approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20
:::: minutes, turn it over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure
:::: enough of the juices
:::: to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
:::: marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
:::: or
:::: other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan
::::
:::: JDA~sailing again
::::
:::
::: You club baby seals, too?
::
:: she's norweigian so that is likely.
: I am not a vegitarian, so that is likely.

I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and consuming their
rotting cadavers as food?
:
: JDA~today

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Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
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That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

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================================================== ====================
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people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
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"Steve Leyland" wrote:

I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and consuming their
rotting cadavers as food?

You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.

You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
that you can eat them?

You think that no animals die so that your veggies can
be grown and marketed?

Tell you what, oh ignorant one, a lot less death occurs
when a single whale is killed to provide 40,000 pounds
of meat than the number of deaths that result in
stocking your local supermarket with loaves of bread for
just one day!

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: "Steve Leyland" wrote:
::
:: I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
:: have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and
:: consuming their rotting cadavers as food?
:
: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.

no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking for a
flamewar.
:
: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
: that you can eat them?

I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least harmful
and most ethical method of that.
:
: You think that no animals die so that your veggies can
: be grown and marketed?

yes.
:
: Tell you what, oh ignorant one, a lot less death occurs
: when a single whale is killed to provide 40,000 pounds
: of meat than the number of deaths that result in
: stocking your local supermarket with loaves of bread for
: just one day!

okay go on then I'll bite. please do educate me as to precisely how many
animals have to die to grow a field of organic wheat and process it into
bread?

--
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================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

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"Steve Leyland" wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: "Steve Leyland" wrote:
::
:: I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
:: have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and
:: consuming their rotting cadavers as food?
:
: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.

no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking for a
flamewar.

Those are *not* gratuitous personal insults. They are
precisely what your statement above logically leads to.

Yes, it *is* insulting. If you don't like that, then
don't make statements that describe you as an ignorant
hypocrite.

: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
: that you can eat them?

I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least harmful
and most ethical method of that.

It is an absurd claim though, and only made by ignorant
hypocrites. You are saying that what *he* kills to stay
alive is wrong and excessive, while what *you* kill to
stay alive is merely an ethical means of living.

That is *not* logical. The only difference is "he"
versus "you". That makes you a bigot.

: You think that no animals die so that your veggies can
: be grown and marketed?

yes.

Go visit a farm.

What do you think happens when a field for vegetables is
plowed? What happens when the tractor goes over it with
a disk? It is a *massive* kill off of animal life! And
many mechanized harvesting methods are equally deadly to
animals (consider mowing a field of hay... and the
thousands of small animals that die in the process).

Besides that, *plants* are living beings that are killed
to allow you to eat. How can you say that the living
organism killed to feed *me* is has greater (or lesser)
significance as a life form than the organisms killed to
feed *you*!

: Tell you what, oh ignorant one, a lot less death occurs
: when a single whale is killed to provide 40,000 pounds
: of meat than the number of deaths that result in
: stocking your local supermarket with loaves of bread for
: just one day!

okay go on then I'll bite. please do educate me as to precisely how many
animals have to die to grow a field of organic wheat and process it into
bread?

Thousands!


On a different note, I see you are into other forms of
hypocrisy:

"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy

"Native American prophecy" my ass. That's some white
man's made up fable. You wouldn't know a Native prophecy
if you heard one.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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On 30 Jun, 09:59, "Steve Leyland"
wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
JeanneDArc~ stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: On 28 Jun, 08:21, "Steve Leyland": wrote:

:: Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
:: katy stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:
::::: JeanneDArc~ wrote:

::
:::: .........................Whale
::::
:::: Whale swims about
:::: The sea of blue.
:::: Whale dives down deep
:::: Below our view.
:::: Whale jumps up high
:::: To breathe some air.
:::: Whale sprays a water
:::: Fountain there.
:::: Whale flaps a fin
:::: To and fro
:::: Then goes diving down below.
:::: until I catch and eat
:::: and so goes my
::::
:::: whale reciep:
::::
:::::
:::: 1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
:::: 3 dl red wine
:::: 1 dl vegetable oil
:::: 3 ground cloves
:::: 1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
:::: 2 teaspoonfuls of salt
::::
::::
:::: The Marinade
:::: 3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4
:::: dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt
::::
::::
:::: It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good
:::: shape.
:::: Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the
:::: joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals.
:::: Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt.
:::: Cook
:::: the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn
:::: down the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the
:::: joint, approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20
:::: minutes, turn it over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure
:::: enough of the juices
:::: to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the
:::: marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans
:::: or
:::: other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan
::::
:::: JDA~sailing again
::::
:::
::: You club baby seals, too?
::
:: she's norweigian so that is likely.
: I am not a vegitarian, so that is likely.

I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.

And you wish human, a cat,a tiger,a snake,a lion,an eagel...to eat
what YOU eat Steve.
Thats absurd.WE are all different and we all need different food to
survie.How is it possible for people in Alaska to survive only on
vegitables during the winter?

have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and consuming their
rotting cadavers as food?

Have you ever consider to say the same to a tiger?
I guess the answer is no.

JDA~today

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On 1 Jul, 09:02, "Steve Leyland"
wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: "Steve Leyland" wrote:
::
:: I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
:: have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and
:: consuming their rotting cadavers as food?
:
: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.

no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking for a
flamewar.

You are ignorent and selfish when you want to force everybody to eat
what YOU eat, because YOU belive its the right thing to do.

: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
: that you can eat them?

I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least harmful
and most ethical method of that.

So what you are saying is that Because your store is fillred with
healthy vegitarian "living plants" food, everybody on the planet
should eat the same as you.
What if they cant get healthy enough vegitarian food?
THen I will say the same as you "I have to eat food to stay alive...as
the cat and the tiger"

JDA~today

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Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: "Steve Leyland" wrote:
:: Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
:: Floyd L. Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to
:: usenet:
::
::: "Steve Leyland"
::: wrote:
::::
:::: I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
:::: have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and
:::: consuming their rotting cadavers as food?
:::
::: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.
::
:: no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking
:: for a flamewar.
:
: Those are *not* gratuitous personal insults. They are
: precisely what your statement above logically leads to.

logically perhaps in your prejudiced mind, but certainly not in mine.
:
: Yes, it *is* insulting. If you don't like that, then
: don't make statements that describe you as an ignorant
: hypocrite.

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word hypocrite before you accuse
people; I am posting my honest considered opinions without any pretence of
superiority for them. I have the freedom of speech to state my opinion just
as you have the right to disagree with it.
:
::: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
::: that you can eat them?
::
:: I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least
:: harmful and most ethical method of that.
:
: It is an absurd claim though, and only made by ignorant
: hypocrites. You are saying that what *he* kills to stay
: alive is wrong and excessive, while what *you* kill to
: stay alive is merely an ethical means of living.

*in my opinion*, yes.
:
: That is *not* logical. The only difference is "he"
: versus "you". That makes you a bigot.

once again you accuse with words which are entirely inapplicable. a bigot
will refuse to listen to another's opinion, whereas I'm entirely open to
debate.
:
::: You think that no animals die so that your veggies can
::: be grown and marketed?
::
:: yes.
:
: Go visit a farm.
:
: What do you think happens when a field for vegetables is
: plowed? What happens when the tractor goes over it with
: a disk? It is a *massive* kill off of animal life! And
: many mechanized harvesting methods are equally deadly to
: animals (consider mowing a field of hay... and the
: thousands of small animals that die in the process).

well that sucks and I truly wasn't aware of that. perhaps there's a way to
harvest manually without this murder? of course that'll increase costs so
won't happen.
:
: Besides that, *plants* are living beings that are killed
: to allow you to eat. How can you say that the living
: organism killed to feed *me* is has greater (or lesser)
: significance as a life form than the organisms killed to
: feed *you*!

plants are not sentient beings and IMHO they suffer a lot less pain than an
animal to provide my needed sustenance. according to your "logic" an
ethical person should starve to death.
:
::: Tell you what, oh ignorant one, a lot less death occurs
::: when a single whale is killed to provide 40,000 pounds
::: of meat than the number of deaths that result in
::: stocking your local supermarket with loaves of bread for
::: just one day!

whales were an endagered species until their hunting was banned by most
civilised nations.
::
:: okay go on then I'll bite. please do educate me as to precisely how
:: many animals have to die to grow a field of organic wheat and
:: process it into bread?
:
: Thousands!
:
:
: On a different note, I see you are into other forms of
: hypocrisy:
:
:: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe
:: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
:: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known
:: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
::
:: Native American prophecy
:
: "Native American prophecy" my ass. That's some white
: man's made up fable. You wouldn't know a Native prophecy
: if you heard one.

I'll inform my Hopi friend that his ancestors were talking crap then.

--
Steve Leyland
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POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."

Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

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Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
JeanneDArc~ stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: On 1 Jul, 09:02, "Steve Leyland"
: wrote:
:: Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called
:: Floyd L. Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to
:: usenet:
::
::: "Steve Leyland"
::: wrote:
::::
:::: I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, jeanne.
:::: have you ever considered not killing innocent creatures and
:::: consuming their rotting cadavers as food?
:::
::: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.
::
:: no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking
:: for a flamewar.
:
: You are ignorent and selfish when you want to force everybody to eat
: what YOU eat, because YOU belive its the right thing to do.

FFS since when does a debate on usenet "force" anyone to do anything,
jeanne?
:
::: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
::: that you can eat them?
::
:: I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least
:: harmful and most ethical method of that.
:
: So what you are saying is that Because your store is fillred with
: healthy vegitarian "living plants" food, everybody on the planet
: should eat the same as you.
: What if they cant get healthy enough vegitarian food?
: THen I will say the same as you "I have to eat food to stay alive...as
: the cat and the tiger"

FYI the feline is a natural carnivore (and yes I do feed meat to my cat
spot) as it has a short bowel system which is almost direct from stomach to
anus for excretion, whereas the human has a long looping bowel which means
that consumed meat has rotted and become toxic before it is excreted.
that is a medical fact, look it up if you don't believe me.
but hey, you just keep right on eating whatever you want to, after all they
say "one man's meat is another man's poison" but I'll keep trying to
persuade people to go vegetarian.
:
: JDA~today

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 Most Hated Usenetizen Of All Time#1
Top Asshole on the Net#4 Usenet Ruiner#11 Lits Slut#1
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

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================================================== ====================
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post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."

Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

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Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

: katy wrote:
:: JeanneDArc~ wrote:
::: there are whatsoever no difference between a mice and a whales life
::: :-)
:::
::
:: Yes...there's a great difference...a mouse is a rodent
:: with a limited brain capacity...a whale is an
:: intelligent creature...eat all the mice you
:: want...Farley Mowat did and got along just fine..just
:: leave the whales and dolphins alone...
:
: Farley Mowat writes *fiction*, and you have been
: suckered in more ways than one.
:
: Whales are about as smart as cows. Cattle are pretty
: near the dumbest animal in the farm yard. And mice are
: significantly smarter. And pigs are even more intelligent,
: yet we eat ham, bacon, pork chops etc.
:
: The only possible argument that makes sense in relation
: to mice and whales is that it would require killing a
: million mice to feed as many people as killing just one
: whale. Therefore, to reduce the death and mayhem, eat
: whales not mice.

for once I'm with KKKaty!
I notice your sig says alaska, so I assume you have a commercial interest
in murdering whales?

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 Most Hated Usenetizen Of All Time#1
Top Asshole on the Net#4 Usenet Ruiner#11 Lits Slut#1
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

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wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas
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================================================== ====================
"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."

Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
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"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
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"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


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"Steve Leyland" wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:

You can't even provide an accurate attribution without trying to
insult the people you respond to...

: "Steve Leyland" wrote:
::: You are a hypocrit, and an ignorant one at that.
::
:: no, I'm sincere about it. oh and save the insults, I'm not looking
:: for a flamewar.
:
: Those are *not* gratuitous personal insults. They are
: precisely what your statement above logically leads to.

logically perhaps in your prejudiced mind, but certainly not in mine.

And here you go around the corner again with illogical
statements that do not suit the facts at hand.

: Yes, it *is* insulting. If you don't like that, then
: don't make statements that describe you as an ignorant
: hypocrite.

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word hypocrite before you accuse
people; I am posting my honest considered opinions without any pretence of
superiority for them.

Again, that is an absurd statement. You are telling
other people what they should eat. Specifically, in
total ignorance of either their situation or even a
minimal set of facts about your own situation, that
because *you* don't think it is right to eat whales that
somebody else should not.

You claim not to be a hypocrite, yet you know very little
about it and claim to have "my honest considered opinions"!
And of course "without any pretense of superiority"!

The fact is you have not *honestly* considered it at
all. Your opinions are based on ignorance. You claim
to be superior enough to tell other people what they
should eat *on* *moral* *grounds*, which is abjectly
ridiculous even if you did have any facts.

I have the freedom of speech to state my opinion just
as you have the right to disagree with it.

And everyone who posts an "honestly considered opinion"
that is totally bogus deserves to be told off too.

You are ignorant, have made no effort to learn facts,
and post illogical statements that do not follow from
the facts in evidence.
:
::: You think plants are not alive, that they don't die so
::: that you can eat them?
::
:: I have to eat food to stay alive; I see vegetarianism as the least
:: harmful and most ethical method of that.
:
: It is an absurd claim though, and only made by ignorant
: hypocrites. You are saying that what *he* kills to stay
: alive is wrong and excessive, while what *you* kill to
: stay alive is merely an ethical means of living.

*in my opinion*, yes.

bigot:
A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to
his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

You are a bigot and a hypocrite by your own admission.
You kill things to eat, yet claim others are immoral for
doing exactly the same thing. You have no evidence
whatever that separates you from the people you condemn.

: That is *not* logical. The only difference is "he"
: versus "you". That makes you a bigot.

once again you accuse with words which are entirely inapplicable. a bigot
will refuse to listen to another's opinion, whereas I'm entirely open to
debate.

See the definition above. That fits *you* to a tee.

And look how you squeal and howl at open debate! Liar.

::: You think that no animals die so that your veggies can
::: be grown and marketed?
::
:: yes.
:
: Go visit a farm.
:
: What do you think happens when a field for vegetables is
: plowed? What happens when the tractor goes over it with
: a disk? It is a *massive* kill off of animal life! And
: many mechanized harvesting methods are equally deadly to
: animals (consider mowing a field of hay... and the
: thousands of small animals that die in the process).

well that sucks and I truly wasn't aware of that. perhaps there's a way to
harvest manually without this murder? of course that'll increase costs so
won't happen.

You don't mind killing animals to keep the cost of
*your* food down! Hypocrite.

: Besides that, *plants* are living beings that are killed
: to allow you to eat. How can you say that the living
: organism killed to feed *me* is has greater (or lesser)
: significance as a life form than the organisms killed to
: feed *you*!

plants are not sentient beings and IMHO they suffer a lot less pain than an

First, what difference does it make if plants are sentient or not?
Just how sentient do you think whales are?? What makes you think
plants don't suffer pain?

animal to provide my needed sustenance. according to your "logic" an
ethical person should starve to death.

I have *never* said that ethical people should not kill plants and
animals to eat. *YOU* are the jerk making that ignorant claim!

Besides, if you are serious about reducing the pain,
suffering and death of other life forms in order to feed
you... you should be eating whale meat as the main stay
of your diet. One whale's death might provide 40,000
pound of food for you. Compare that to the 40,000
deaths *you* cause just to eat bread for one year or so.

By *your* logic, you are simply disgusting.

::: Tell you what, oh ignorant one, a lot less death occurs
::: when a single whale is killed to provide 40,000 pounds
::: of meat than the number of deaths that result in
::: stocking your local supermarket with loaves of bread for
::: just one day!

whales were an endagered species until their hunting was banned by most
civilised nations.

There are many different kinds of whales, and not all of
them are or ever were endangered. In fact there have
been dozens of whale species that have become extinct,
but *not* *one* has ever become extinct due to humans.

:: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe
:: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
:: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known
:: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
::
:: Native American prophecy
:
: "Native American prophecy" my ass. That's some white
: man's made up fable. You wouldn't know a Native prophecy
: if you heard one.

I'll inform my Hopi friend that his ancestors were talking crap then.

Bull****. I think you are lying. You've probably never
met a Hopi person in your life. If you have he was
educated in a Westernized school anyway. Your quote
sounds just like the oft quoted speech by Chief Seattle,
that tells about the Indian's need for buffalo...
written by a screen writer (and Seattle himself never
saw a buffalo in his entire life).

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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"Steve Leyland" wrote:
Once upon a time in a magickal land far far away the being called Floyd L.
Davidson stirred from its deep slumber and pronounced to usenet:
: The only possible argument that makes sense in relation
: to mice and whales is that it would require killing a
: million mice to feed as many people as killing just one
: whale. Therefore, to reduce the death and mayhem, eat
: whales not mice.

for once I'm with KKKaty!

Apparently you aren't actually interested in reducing
the number of animals killed or the amount of suffering
and pain that is inflicted. Sort of makes you a real
hypocrite though...

I notice your sig says alaska, so I assume you have a commercial interest
in murdering whales?

1) Whales are not "murdered", humans are.

2) There is no commercial whaling in Alaska.

3) You should look up the place where my signature
says I am.

4) You should take a look at my web site, listed in my
signature.

5) You should learn at least *something* about whales.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)