Ghost and the Sea Wolf
A good flick. 3 stars
http://www.stairstars.com/dyn/detail.php?listingid=36 Was on the tube last night, I'm guessing this is the ship Rob named his rock basher Ghost after. Cool story, but like Rob lacking in everything realistic about sailing. All fluff and fake when it came to seamanship and nautical knowledge. Joe |
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Cool story, but like Rob lacking in everything realistic about
sailing. LOL! Joe thinks London's The Sea Wolf had a "cool story." It's no wonder that Joe sees the world in such two dimensional fashion. Great weather here...I'm off for a sail at 1:00. Then sailing again Friday eve, Saturday and Sunday. I'm all set to post videos again so stand by for some actual sailing! RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 6, 10:40 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Cool story, but like Rob lacking in everything realistic about sailing. LOL! Joe thinks London's The Sea Wolf had a "cool story." It's no wonder that Joe sees the world in such two dimensional fashion. Great weather here...I'm off for a sail at 1:00. Then sailing again Friday eve, Saturday and Sunday. I'm all set to post videos again so stand by for some actual sailing! RB 35s5 NY No dumbass the movie was cool. Yet it lacked a good director with any nautical knowledge. Did you direct it? Do you see yourself as the Captain Wolf Larson type when you call yourself Captain? Joe |
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No dumbass the movie was cool. Yet it lacked a good director with any
nautical knowledge. You wrote "cool story" NOT "cool movie." You're so stupid and lacking in a fundamental education, you practically scream it with every post. As for the director of The Sea Wolf, a movie not at all about sailing, it was directed by Michael Curtiz who also made such little films as Casablanca, We're No Angels, and Yankee Doodle Dandy. It was written by Robert Rossen who also worked on The Hustler and A Walk in the Sun. Now if you want more nautical texture then try reading the book, or have someone read it to you. In the meantime you'd do well to avoid talking about subjects you know little about...such as film and sailing. The Sea Wolf by Curtiz remains the finest adaptation of the story, though there are quite a few changes from the original. On the other hand Joe's idiocy remains unchanged. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 6, 11:19 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
No dumbass the movie was cool. Yet it lacked a good director with any nautical knowledge. The Sea Wolf by Curtiz remains the finest adaptation of the story, I guess for you lubber types it's easy to get past the fact one person is sailing and manning watches on a 100+ ft clipper ship, and that the entire flik is lacking any actual working the ship underway (yet the whole story is underway). That and the cheap stage prop of a ship destroys the story for anyone with any nautical knowledge. Yes Rob "Nautical Texture" was key to this story. Unlike you some people who watch stories of a ships Captain and crew like a bit of "Nautical Texture" in that type of story. I know for a director and Captain of your quality it's a small detail that you would easily overlook. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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I guess for you lubber types it's easy to get past the fact one
person is sailing and manning watches on a 100+ ft clipper ship, and that the entire flik is lacking any actual working the ship underway (yet the whole story is underway). That and the cheap stage prop of a ship destroys the story for anyone with any nautical knowledge. The Sea Wolf "prop" was a huge undertaking, built both for realism, mood and functional interplay for specific camera work. I recall reading that it took 70 or 80 people to build her. Curtiz chose to make the Ghost into a "Ghost ship" by making an unrealistic choice in keeping crew off the decks and shots. For many scenes he wanted the Ghost to appear this way. This is discussed in his bio, The Casablanca man. Of course it was well noted at the time for it's unique moody approach to the tale. Curtiz knew what he was doing and understood the focus on the story. He was an artist first and foremost and didn't worry about how many folks might be on watch when it might compromise his vision. The Sea Wolf remains one of Curtiz most beloved films and only a simp would be watching for nautical errors in what is essentiall a filmed play. You probably saw the colorized version since B&W is not how we see the world and that's also very unrealistic! Again, have someone read the book to you. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 6, 12:04 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I guess for you lubber types it's easy to get past the fact one person is sailing and manning watches on a 100+ ft clipper ship, and that the entire flik is lacking any actual working the ship underway (yet the whole story is underway). That and the cheap stage prop of a ship destroys the story for anyone with any nautical knowledge. The Sea Wolf "prop" was a huge undertaking, built both for realism, mood and functional interplay for specific camera work. I recall reading that it took 70 or 80 people to build her. Curtiz chose to make the Ghost into a "Ghost ship" by making an unrealistic choice in keeping crew off the decks and shots. For many scenes he wanted the Ghost to appear this way. This is discussed in his bio, The Casablanca man. Of course it was well noted at the time for it's unique moody approach to the tale. Curtiz knew what he was doing and understood the focus on the story. He was an artist first and foremost and didn't worry about how many folks might be on watch when it might compromise his vision. The Sea Wolf remains one of Curtiz most beloved films and only a simp would be watching for nautical errors in what is essentiall a filmed play. You probably saw the colorized version since B&W is not how we see the world and that's also very unrealistic! Again, have someone read the book to you. RB 35s5 NY It was the black and white version, first time I've seen it. Again the story, and acting skills of Edward G. Robinson made it a 3 star movie and worth the watch. However had Curtiz not been a total lubber like you he could have told the same story and made it much more to the liking of a true mariner like Jack London. Take Victor Fleming's Captains Courageous. Now there is a 4 star film thats portrays mariners in a realistic way. Also a good lesson to spoiled rotton brats like you and BB. You both could learn plenty from studying Harvey Cheyne. Joe |
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However had Curtiz not been a total lubber like you he could have
told the same story and made it much more to the liking of a true mariner like Jack London. Yeah, I'm sure Curtiz was truly interested in making The Sea Wolf nautically correct for London, who'd been dead for 25 years. I'm also sure that other directors like Curtiz never take artistic licence for the film medium. I also suppose that movies/Star Trek like Star Wars, Alien and most Sci fi classics are also poor since they are innacurate in their depiction of space travel. Dude, get a life. I went sailing while you posted. Sailing again tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday. Maybe you can download more dead children photos while we sail! RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 7:20 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
However had Curtiz not been a total lubber like you he could have told the same story and made it much more to the liking of a true mariner like Jack London. Yeah, I'm sure Curtiz was truly interested in making The Sea Wolf nautically correct for London, who'd been dead for 25 years. I'm also sure that other directors like Curtiz never take artistic licence for the film medium. I also suppose that movies/Star Trek like Star Wars, Alien and most Sci fi classics are also poor since they are innacurate in their depiction of space travel. Dude, get a life. I went sailing while you posted. Sailing again tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday. Maybe you can download more dead children photos while we sail! RB 35s5 NY Face it Rob, the movie, just like "through dead eyes" would have been much better had the producer hired a decent director. Oh and I'm so proud of you, you got to sail..Was it your first or second time this year? You better race along on your long commute and get all the sailing in while you can...3 mo and you will have to pull Suzy's boat so it can hogg on the stands for 9 mo. of the year. Glad you took the time to view the pictures..to bad the dead kids are not as good as your kid and not worty of American help since Saddam had no WMD's. Only a total asshole braindead retard would not see those pictures as justification to liberate Iraq..That's you BTW. Joe |
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Face it Rob, the movie, just like "through dead eyes" would have been
much better had the producer hired a decent director. No, no. Let's just say that you believe Michael Curtiz is a poor director and leave it at that. Truly! Oh and I'm so proud of you, you got to sail..Was it your first or second time this year? 2nd sail this week, plus going this evening, tomorrow night, Saturday and Sunday. You did actually mean this week, didn't you? I also sailed on three different boats this week. Did you sail that much? Glad you took the time to view the pictures..to bad the dead kids are not as good as your kid and not worty of American help Bush has killed many kids in the last few years, which is why he'll eventually be charged with being a war criminal. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 11:25 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Face it Rob, the movie, just like "through dead eyes" would have been much better had the producer hired a decent director. No, no. Let's just say that you believe Michael Curtiz is a poor director and leave it at that. Truly! He could have done a much better job with the Sea Wolf. But for the average lubber like you, I guess it will be seen as a realistic portrayal of a ship and crew at sea.. No wonder you're afraid to sail offshore. His artistic touch was a bit off on this one...I'm sure you can relate. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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He could have done a much better job with the Sea Wolf. But for the average lubber like you, I guess it will be seen as a realistic portrayal of a ship and crew at sea.. Yeah, you nailed it, Joe. You clearly understand the book and movie since you were hoping for a reaslitic portrayal of a ship at sea and didn't find one. Good work. We're all hoping you review John Huston's Moby Dick next or as you'd title it, "Monster Whale vs. the Whalers." RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 7:02 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He could have done a much better job with the Sea Wolf. But for the average lubber like you, I guess it will be seen as a realistic portrayal of a ship and crew at sea.. Yeah, you nailed it, Joe. You clearly understand the book and movie since you were hoping for a reaslitic portrayal of a ship at sea and didn't find one. Good work. We're all hoping you review John Huston's Moby Dick next or as you'd title it, "Monster Whale vs. the Whalers." RB 35s5 NY Who's we're all? Are you speaking for your puppets or what? What I was looking for is a well told story with background and common sence to match. What you call artistic view is about the same thing they did with the Perfect Storm. In trying to create an artistic mood they made the crew and Skipper of the Andrea Dora look like a boat load of retards....but the lubbers ate it up. I guess if you are watching an artist versions of mariners it would be better if you are an baffon lubber and not have a clue so you can enjoy it and not be bothered by the glaring stupity...huh? Joe |
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Who's we're all? Are you speaking for your puppets or what?
Joe, you believe that I have puppets here??? Okay. What I was looking for is a well told story with background and common sence to match. Curtiz work often reflected a stylistic approach that required some imagination and cinematic education from the viewer. What you call artistic view is about the same thing they did with the Perfect Storm. In trying to create an artistic mood they made the crew and Skipper of the Andrea Dora look like a boat load of retards....but the lubbers ate it up. Who ate it up? The Perfect Storm was a dissapointment both economically and critically. The Sea Wolf was popular on both fronts. I guess if you are watching an artist versions of mariners it would be better if you are an baffon lubber and not have a clue so you can enjoy it and not be bothered by the glaring stupity...huh? Like I said, you never read the book, You have no idea how stupid you sound. The Ghost is depicted in the movie much as it was in the book. Curtiz pushed it further, but even in the book, "Unlike other ships, the decks of the Ghost lay barren and lonely; her crew hidden away in fear." So now we all know that you're not only too stupid to understand a good movie, but also ignorant of it's famous source. Well done, Joe! RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 7:36 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Who's we're all? Are you speaking for your puppets or what? Joe, you believe that I have puppets here??? Okay. What I was looking for is a well told story with background and common sence to match. Curtiz work often reflected a stylistic approach that required some imagination and cinematic education from the viewer. What you call artistic view is about the same thing they did with the Perfect Storm. In trying to create an artistic mood they made the crew and Skipper of the Andrea Dora look like a boat load of retards....but the lubbers ate it up. Who ate it up? The Perfect Storm was a dissapointment both economically and critically. The Sea Wolf was popular on both fronts. I guess if you are watching an artist versions of mariners it would be better if you are an baffon lubber and not have a clue so you can enjoy it and not be bothered by the glaring stupity...huh? Like I said, you never read the book, You have no idea how stupid you sound. The Ghost is depicted in the movie much as it was in the book. Curtiz pushed it further, but even in the book, "Unlike other ships, the decks of the Ghost lay barren and lonely; her crew hidden away in fear." So now we all know that you're not only too stupid to understand a good movie, but also ignorant of it's famous source. Well done, Joe! RB 35s5 NY Good bubbles...name one 100+ft 3 masted clipper ship that can sail with just one man at the wheel.. If I need my imigination to streach that far then I might as well be watching a movie about a Captain sailing a ship through the desert with sawsquach at the wheel. The point you seem to miss is that Curtiz screwed the pooch with the prop and all aspects of seamanship. Again I understand just how easy it is for you to overlook such glaring errors. Joe |
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Good bubbles...name one 100+ft 3 masted clipper ship that can sail
with just one man at the wheel.. Ghost. BTW, the shark shown attacking Cooky was too small to take his leg off. And quite soon afterwards he's shown just fine with the leg tied off at the stump. Such a traumatic amputation would not be so simple to treat. He'd likely have died or at least required a long time to recover. But you're worried about who's at the wheel!!! Any scenes in Captain's Coragious with one guy at the wheel/tiller? How about Jason and and the Argonauts? RB 35s5 NY |
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Hey, Joe...you never answered about all the sailing you did this week.
I'm running a sea trial on a O'Day 35 tomorrow, so that'll be the 4th boat I sailed this week and of course I'm sailing Heart of Gold all weekend. When was the last time you hoisted the sails on your houseboat? RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 8:54 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Good bubbles...name one 100+ft 3 masted clipper ship that can sail with just one man at the wheel.. Ghost. BTW, the shark shown attacking Cooky was too small to take his leg off. That depends, if you judge the size by the fake dorsal fin breaking the surface then it looks big enough, if you take the two second shot of a real shark then you are correct And quite soon afterwards he's shown just fine with the leg tied off at the stump. Such a traumatic amputation would not be so simple to treat. He'd likely have died or at least required a long time to recover. Yeah, and the Doc's blood tranfusion started by cookie's knife wound was kinda funny, unless she was going to drink the blood. But you're worried about who's at the wheel!!! No... I'm wondering who's tending the sails...no-one.....ever. Any scenes in Captain's Coragious with one guy at the wheel/tiller? Yes and two at times, and a working crew, since they used real ships Curtiz's Artsey fartsey version would not work. How about Jason and and the Argonauts? Now that's a show you can expect to have to use your imagination. The Sea Wolf was not, and suffered from it. Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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since they used real ships
Curtiz's Artsey fartsey version would not work. So far it only suffered for you. The Sea Wolf is well regarded, well reviewed at the time and remains the best adaptation of the book to this day. The reason for this is the fine cast and moody direction. No one as ever commented in any review on the lack of reality for sailing scenes. That's because it's not important to the plot. Curtiz' portrait of the Ghost however unrealistic was quite successful for movie fans. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 7, 9:08 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Hey, Joe...you never answered about all the sailing you did this week. I'm running a sea trial on a O'Day 35 tomorrow, so that'll be the 4th boat I sailed this week and of course I'm sailing Heart of Gold all weekend. When was the last time you hoisted the sails on your houseboat? RB 35s5 NY I do not have a houseboat. April was the last time I took RedCloud sailing, but sail Tomahawk..ie T/T RedCloud almost every day. I don't blame you for looking for other boats to sail. If I had a boat with big lambrogini type gull wing windows I'd be embarrased too. Hope you got a ride on a descent boat You never answered my questions. 1. Did you name Ghost after this flicks boat? 2. Do you see yourself as the Wolf Larson type when you call yourself Captain.? 3. When are you going to scrub off the soot on the pressed wood covered fireplace chimmney you have on your camp house? 4. When are you going to buy a descent car? 5. When is that book ever going to get published? Joe |
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I do not have a houseboat. Yeah, you do. April was the last time I took RedCloud sailing, That's truly depressing. but sail Tomahawk..ie T/T RedCloud almost every day. Sure you do. And we don't blame you. Nobody wants to sail a slow and heavy steel houseboat. If I had a boat with big lambrogini type gull wing windows I'd be embarrased too. You mean like a Swan? RB 35s5 NY |
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1. Did you name Ghost after this flicks boat?
Yup. All of my vessels had names connected with films and books, including Heart of Gold and her Improbability Drive. 2. Do you see yourself as the Wolf Larson type when you call yourself Captain.? You mean as a cruel, sick sailor who beat his crew? Uh, nope. 3. When are you going to scrub off the soot on the pressed wood covered fireplace chimmney you have on your camp house? After I get the new heated garage built and finish off the 136" screen theatre room. 4. When are you going to buy a descent car? When you get a car as nice as any of ours I'll get back to you! 5. When is that book ever going to get published? I have 24 photos to finish for the book and I'm rewriting a chapter for the publisher because of changes in the source info originally used in the 3rd draft. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 8, 6:23 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
since they used real ships Curtiz's Artsey fartsey version would not work. So far it only suffered for you. The Sea Wolf is well regarded, well reviewed at the time and remains the best adaptation of the book to this day. The reason for this is the fine cast and moody direction. No one as ever commented in any review on the lack of reality for sailing scenes. That's because it's not important to the plot. Curtiz' portrait of the Ghost however unrealistic was quite successful for movie fans. RB 35s5 NY Please...Rob..no wonder "through Dead Eyes" flopped. You need to have a critical eye and look for glaring errors, not just the good acting. Again I liked the film....but it could have been much better..EG Robinson carried and made the film IMO. Did you not feel cheated that we did not get to see the battle between Wolf's and his brothers ship? And Larson's headaches..WTF? I guess since no one could take out Wolf god had to do it.. I would have rather seen him fighting to the end with Garfield or his brother, but it's clear they did not have any prop builders worth their salt.... making a scene like that impossable. That said..still beats 99% of the crap you see on TV and the movies.. If you haven't seen it then it is indeed a must see. To bad they did not get John Wayne to play Larson and Rear Admiral John Ford to direct. Then it would have been and Epic film. Joe |
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On Jun 8, 9:19 am, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:39:48 -0700, Joe wrote: 4. When are you going to buy a descent car? Just because your car can only go down hill doesn't mean that anyone else wants one. CWM I do not have a car..I have a truck. It will go up a steeper hill then most anyone's car with the granny gears in it. It will haul more, and be more reliable than anyone's car. Gets great gas mileage with it's 144 CI straight 6, and keeps going up in value. BB have you ever watched Capt. Courageous? If not.. you should study the role of Harvey. It might do you some good. Joe |
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On Jun 8, 9:36 am, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:32:09 -0700, Joe wrote: On Jun 8, 9:19 am, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:39:48 -0700, Joe wrote: 4. When are you going to buy a descent car? Just because your car can only go down hill doesn't mean that anyone else wants one. CWM I do not have a car..I have a truck. It will go up a steeper hill then most anyone's car with the granny gears in it. I hate to be the one to tell you this Joe, but your rusty old Econoline van with half the body missing to make you think it's somehow a pickup truck, Rusty? The 1961 Econoline was the first unibody truck, made of steel 3 times as thick as any truck on the market today, 5 times as thick as Bubbles rice burner. BTW the whole body was also dipped in a zinc coating. My truck has no rust, it sat in a barn for 13 years in Oklahoma. I'm thinking of painting it..Do you like the Poppie Red? http://www.server7.com/images/BSG/special/yJAN03.jpg does not have granny gears. It's just a slug. Because of the 144 she is geared very very low. Joe CWM |
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Like I said! It's a SLUG. A rusted out SLUG. It's good that it's so slow, as the front suspensions on those old Fords made them rolling death traps. You aint kidding. It's a deathtrap for sure. Poor Joe talks about fire safety and drives an car that's just about deadly in any serious accident. My Kia with it's ladder frame remains the safest vehicle under 6000 lbs on the market. Even without it's amazing structural engineering, the Kia/Hyundai vans are also fitted with front and side airbags for all rows and the thing can carry a lot of stuff from Home Depot as well. Add to that stability and traction control and it's a very comprehensive family mover. Oh....there's that word again that has no connection to poor lonely Joe. Family. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 8, 11:06 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My Kia Bwahahahahahahahaha..biggest laughing stock since the Yugo.. RB 35s5 NY |
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My Kia
Bwahahahahahahahaha..biggest laughing stock since the Yugo.. Yeah, too bad Kia and Hyundai (the same company) are now beating every American car for reliability and are close to the Japanese cars, if not as good already. I remember when Honda first hit US shores...people have learned since then. Kia/Hyundai are not fooling around. The Sedona is ranked higher than the Sienna and where does do the US vans rate? Dead last place! Of course Kia's aint cheap anymore. But I guess that's not funny for Americans who buy American made junk. Or for Joe who doesn't even have a modern safe car. He probably labors under the famous delusion that "old cars were build tougher." LOL!!! RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 8, 11:06 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Like I said! It's a SLUG. A rusted out SLUG. It's good that it's so slow, as the front suspensions on those old Fords made them rolling death traps. You aint kidding. It's a deathtrap for sure. NY Death Trap? Since my commute is 40ft, and I drive less in a week than you do driving one way to your boat, it's not that risky. Unless you drive like Robert on public roads racing with his kid sitting in the booster seat pealing banana's with his feet. Joe |
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On Jun 8, 9:05 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I do not have a houseboat. Yeah, you do. April was the last time I took RedCloud sailing, That's truly depressing. Is it? May in the shipyard..had to remove all the canvas for some welding and such. Been busy. Was your boat still on the hard in April? You pulled it october IIRC...now thats sad. No wonder you're so focused on autos. but sail Tomahawk..ie T/T RedCloud almost every day. Sure you do. And we don't blame you. Nobody wants to sail a slow and heavy steel houseboat. If I had a boat with big lambrogini type gull wing windows I'd be embarrased too. You mean like a Swan? No.... like a 35s5 Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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Death Trap? Since my commute is 40ft, and I drive less in a week than
you do driving one way to your boat, Your car is not safe. Period. Drive it around the corner and you're no less likely to get in a crash. In fact close to home is where most accidents happen. Sorry, Joe. No one's buying that your happy with your miserable old boat and car. I'm looking out my window and looking at three of my cars, all less than 15 months old...the practical Sedona van with it's 7 channel theatre system, the ultra comfy AWD Tribeca and the brand new LGT which is capable of 0-60 in under 5.3 seconds. Enjoy your rusting heap! And the car too!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote I'm looking out my window and looking at three of my cars, this is so pitifully sad.....true most likely, but sad. |
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On Jun 8, 1:41 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
.. No one's buying that your happy with your miserable old boat and car. No one? Are you talking about your puppets again? Joe RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... 2nd sail this week, plus going this evening, tomorrow night, Saturday and Sunday. that should put you up to around 12 1/2 miles so far this season. good show bobby! |
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On Jun 8, 1:41 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Death Trap? Since my commute is 40ft, and I drive less in a week than you do driving one way to your boat, Your car is not safe. I do not have a car..Cars are for girls. I have a truck. Joe Period. RB 35s5 NY |
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On Jun 8, 2:04 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... 2nd sail this week, plus going this evening, tomorrow night, Saturday and Sunday. that should put you up to around 12 1/2 miles so far this season. good show bobby! I calculate 8 miles... if we are going by past bobspit preformance. Still amazing for "Captain" Rob. Joe |
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