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How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg
Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:22:01 -0700, Joe
wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe Brings a tear to my eye. My home port for 26 years of boat ownership. Frank |
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On Jun 4, 9:27 am, Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:22:01 -0700, Joe wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe Brings a tear to my eye. My home port for 26 years of boat ownership. Frank The wind was cranking..that's for sure. How's the town fairing these days? Joe |
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I heard that all of the Mac26x's and M's survived.
RB 35s5 NY |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:21:44 -0700, Joe
wrote: On Jun 4, 9:27 am, Frank Boettcher wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:22:01 -0700, Joe wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe Brings a tear to my eye. My home port for 26 years of boat ownership. Frank The wind was cranking..that's for sure. How's the town fairing these days? Joe I was last down in January, and at that time, not so hot. I lived there during the Camille recovery and the difference in recovery time is dramatic. Lots of issues about insurability, building codes, etc., delaying a good bit of the reconstruction, particularly residential. Gulfport small craft harbor, a very large harbor and the place where I kept my boats until I sold the last one in '97, lost all piers and slips and none are back yet. It will eventually come, but they don't need another near term direct hit. What they need is a pass for another 35 years like they had from Camille to Katrina. All the little ones in between were non events. Frank |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:28:12 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote: I heard that all of the Mac26x's and M's survived. RB 35s5 NY In all the time I lived there, I don't think I ever laid eys on a Mac. Frank |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in news:1180970892.938267.7280
@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: I heard that all of the Mac26x's and M's survived. RB 35s5 NY You probably heard right. They probably DID all survive. You see, Macs are more superior than any heavy keelboat. 1- Macs have shallow draft only a foot a foot and a half 2 - Macs can go a helluva lot faster than any heavy keelboat. Versatility is the key, man. These things make the Mac more superior for getting away from a hurricane than any 35s5 Benetoe. Your boat is mince meat if a hurricane comes along. You can't outrun it because your boat's slow to the max and with your six-feet of draft (guessing) you can't even get way up a river or some place safe like that. You are stuck stuck stuck. You're a stuck schmuck! Old fashioned heavy boats got modernized when they made the first Mac26X. It was a stoke of genius Macs have more flexibility than any other boat They can go way up a river or bayou and they can get there very fast using the motor. So, every Mac in New Orleans that anybody thought was in danger was probably moved to safety days before the hurricnae got there. Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.egordon873.homestead.com/drug.html |
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On Jun 4, 12:10 pm, Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:21:44 -0700, Joe wrote: On Jun 4, 9:27 am, Frank Boettcher wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:22:01 -0700, Joe wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe Brings a tear to my eye. My home port for 26 years of boat ownership. Frank The wind was cranking..that's for sure. How's the town fairing these days? Joe I was last down in January, and at that time, not so hot. I lived there during the Camille recovery and the difference in recovery time is dramatic. Lots of issues about insurability, building codes, etc., delaying a good bit of the reconstruction, particularly residential. Gulfport small craft harbor, a very large harbor and the place where I kept my boats until I sold the last one in '97, lost all piers and slips and none are back yet. It will eventually come, but they don't need another near term direct hit. What they need is a pass for another 35 years like they had from Camille to Katrina. All the little ones in between were non events. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - FN insurance goons can eat **** IMO. Always happy to take your money, but paying out is a different story. Joe |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:49:34 -0700, Joe
wrote: On Jun 4, 12:10 pm, Frank Boettcher wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:21:44 -0700, Joe wrote: On Jun 4, 9:27 am, Frank Boettcher wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:22:01 -0700, Joe wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Are you ready? What have you done to get ready? Joe Brings a tear to my eye. My home port for 26 years of boat ownership. Frank The wind was cranking..that's for sure. How's the town fairing these days? Joe I was last down in January, and at that time, not so hot. I lived there during the Camille recovery and the difference in recovery time is dramatic. Lots of issues about insurability, building codes, etc., delaying a good bit of the reconstruction, particularly residential. Gulfport small craft harbor, a very large harbor and the place where I kept my boats until I sold the last one in '97, lost all piers and slips and none are back yet. It will eventually come, but they don't need another near term direct hit. What they need is a pass for another 35 years like they had from Camille to Katrina. All the little ones in between were non events. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - FN insurance goons can eat **** IMO. Always happy to take your money, but paying out is a different story. Joe Two sides to that story, Joe. Every policy from every carrier has a flood exclusion page in which a statement like this occurs: "you are NOT covered from damages that occur from rising water no matter the underlying cause of the rising water. If you are in a federal flood zone you are required to obtain federally subsidized flood insurance . If you are not in a flood zone, but feel you need this insurance it is available to you. Contact your agent and you will be advised on how to obtain this additional coverage". On my policy this is included as a separate page in boldface type. I think all are. And the coverage is cheap, relatively speaking. All of the controversy has to do with the insurance carriers legitimately claiming that damage was done by the rising water, something they did not cover. Those policies that had claims that were strictly wind damage have been settled without incident. The insurance companies have been deluged with lawsuits, primarily by large class action lawyers looking to make a killing on the issue (think asbestos, tobacco, and most recently indigent hospital care and you can identify the primary law firm involved) As a result of this situation, they are settling claims for amounts they had not covered to stay out of court, but then pulling out of the state. State Farm, for instance, first stopped writing any new policies south of I-10, then pulled out of the state altogether. So the bottom line is, there are fewer options for anyone who wants to build back, prices are high because the potential for future lawsuits is factored in and people cannot afford to get coverage. So if you are an individual who had more than fifty percent of your house destroyed, your replacement house will have to be built to new codes and elevated which will cost far more, your not sure you can get or afford insurance you are frozen out. Frank |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 07, steelredcloud wrote:
How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Somehow a video just can't capture what it was like in person. Not knockin' just this video.... I've seen quite a few and none of them can. I guess it's better than print or a verbal rendition though. Still, you just can't imagine without actually seeing it. BTW, most of it was shot in downtown Gulfport, apparently from inside the parking garage behind Hancock Bank. Some appeared to be as it was coming ashore and the rest after it was all over. I didn't see anything showing the worst of it and the tidal surge rolling in. Maybe the camera guy had more important things on his mind during that period -shrug- Rick |
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Joe steelredcloud wrote:
How's the town fairing these days? The debris is almost all picked up but the rebuilding has been slow. You can count the number of replaced beach homes (between Gpt City limits) on one hand. Frank B's post pretty well covers the rest. I was amazed at the number of volunteers from all over the place that came in to help clean up. Unfortunately, there was no place to put them. The coast went from 17,000 hotel rooms to 4,000 during the storm, so they were mostly staying in tents, in and under their trucks & cars, and many times right out in the open. We owe a *lot* of people a debt we'll never be able to repay. Rick |
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PhantMan wrote:
didn't see anything showing the worst of it and the tidal surge rolling in. Just looked again and they actually did get some footage of a little water on the ground level of the garage as well as around that mini van. I couldn't quite make out where it was parked. My mistake. Rick |
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On Jun 6, 9:52 am, Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:47:37 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 07, steelredcloud wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Somehow a video just can't capture what it was like in person. Not knockin' just this video.... I've seen quite a few and none of them can. I guess it's better than print or a verbal rendition though. Still, you just can't imagine without actually seeing it. BTW, most of it was shot in downtown Gulfport, apparently from inside the parking garage behind Hancock Bank. Some appeared to be as it was coming ashore and the rest after it was all over. I didn't see anything showing the worst of it and the tidal surge rolling in. Maybe the camera guy had more important things on his mind during that period -shrug- Rick I thought the rendition was somewhat mild compared to what the actual had to be. Not me Frank, And I've been through many hurricanes Alicia beingthe worst. When he is standing back filming out from the garage the wind looks like a tornado more than a hurricane. 110 mph winds is nothing compared to the way those winds looked IMO. With regard to the tidal surge, my Mother-in-law's place in Bayou view had seven feet of water in the house. She lived on Poplar Circle, which is, what, three miles from the beachfront. Backs up to Brickyard Bayou so her flood damage a result of the backwaters that were pushed up. That the whole argument in the insurance suits that the flooding was wind related. As a comparison, Cat 5 Camille put 18 inches in the same house. And the volunteers are still coming. We made three trips, two for family and one long week with a group doing volunteer reconstruction. As a result we are on a emailing list from the volunteer center, get a weekly report on how many are in the center. Center (Dedeaux Retreat Center) recently closed for this purpose and volunteers now staying in Biloxi. Frank- Hide quoted text - Is your mother inlaws house rebuildt? Joe - Show quoted text - |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:06:16 -0700, Joe
wrote: On Jun 6, 9:52 am, Frank Boettcher wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:47:37 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 07, steelredcloud wrote: How many can you see ashore? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWCBUM7_Eg Somehow a video just can't capture what it was like in person. Not knockin' just this video.... I've seen quite a few and none of them can. I guess it's better than print or a verbal rendition though. Still, you just can't imagine without actually seeing it. BTW, most of it was shot in downtown Gulfport, apparently from inside the parking garage behind Hancock Bank. Some appeared to be as it was coming ashore and the rest after it was all over. I didn't see anything showing the worst of it and the tidal surge rolling in. Maybe the camera guy had more important things on his mind during that period -shrug- Rick I thought the rendition was somewhat mild compared to what the actual had to be. Not me Frank, And I've been through many hurricanes Alicia beingthe worst. When he is standing back filming out from the garage the wind looks like a tornado more than a hurricane. 110 mph winds is nothing compared to the way those winds looked IMO. With regard to the tidal surge, my Mother-in-law's place in Bayou view had seven feet of water in the house. She lived on Poplar Circle, which is, what, three miles from the beachfront. Backs up to Brickyard Bayou so her flood damage a result of the backwaters that were pushed up. That the whole argument in the insurance suits that the flooding was wind related. But the declarations pages clearly state "rising water from any source or cause" Certainly, I'm sympathetic, but don't see the long term solution being turning the tort lawyers loose on the insurance companies. If they win because of sympathetic juries, it will just drive more insurance companies out of the area. Lawyers will get rich, plantiffs will get a partial settlement and won't be able to buy insurance again. As a comparison, Cat 5 Camille put 18 inches in the same house. And the volunteers are still coming. We made three trips, two for family and one long week with a group doing volunteer reconstruction. As a result we are on a emailing list from the volunteer center, get a weekly report on how many are in the center. Center (Dedeaux Retreat Center) recently closed for this purpose and volunteers now staying in Biloxi. Frank- Hide quoted text - Is your mother inlaws house rebuildt? No, she lived in a trailer for a while, now in an apartment. She decided twice flooded is enough, she sold the lot and the shell of the house that remained. Joe - Show quoted text - |
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Phantman:
Somehow a video just can't capture what it was like in person. Frank: I thought the rendition was somewhat mild compared to what the actual had to be. Looks like they popped out to 14th street for the shots of Salloum's building and AG Edwards before the $#!t really hit the fan, then retreated to the third floor of the garage for the worst of it. The parking garage is well protected from wind by the Bank building (which is why they chose to be there I would think). I've been through numerous hurricanes but never tried to film one. It'd be very difficult. Things happen so fast (something's there one split second and gone the next) it's difficult to predict which way to point the camera and when. Not to mention just trying to survive the ordeal. You need to be looking every which way at once or get smacked upside the head with a flying dumpster or something. Joe: When he is standing back filming out from the garage the wind looks like a tornado more than a hurricane. 110 mph winds is nothing compared to the way those winds looked IMO. Maybe the video can give an idea of the average winds and what it feels like to wait it out from a well protected perspective. After all, the storm lasts for hours sometimes. But it can't really show the worst of it. There's nothing like actually seeing your neighbors' houses disintegrate or the sound of your own roof coming off or the incessant slamming of massive debris against your walls, to really give you an understanding of the power out there ripping your world apart. It's practically impossible to capture on film. Frank: With regard to the tidal surge, my Mother-in-law's place in Bayou view had seven feet of water in the house. She lived on Poplar Circle I might know her. I knew quite a few people over there. My mother lived a few blocks away. She lost her home too, same situation from Bayou Bernard. She says she loved living on the bayou. She just didn't like living *in* the bayou ;-) Frank: Backs up to Brickyard Bayou so her flood damage a result of the backwaters that were pushed up. Joe: That the whole argument in the insurance suits that the flooding was wind related. The argument goes: Damage from wind driven rain is covered (no argument there). Damage from a bus, blown into a house, is covered (no argument there either). Therefore, damage by wind driven "stuff" should be covered whether it be wet stuff or dry stuff. Frank: But the declarations pages clearly state "rising water from any source or cause" Point being: The tidal surge was "wind driven" stuff, not "rising" stuff ("stuff" in this sense being a technical term). Frankly, I think the insurance companies will prevail if they stick to their guns. This isn't the first time these semantics have been hashed out in court. But the first major case was settled before going to the jury. News media claimed a big win for the home owner. So that's one down, 79,999 more to go. I'm sympathetic, but don't see the long term solution being turning the tort lawyers loose on the insurance companies. I agree. Hurricanes are survivable here. It's a matter of adjust, adapt, and expect to be smacked now and then. Being ready and planning ahead is not all that difficult. Frank: And the volunteers are still coming. And a whole new industry has arisen known a "Voluntourism" ;-) We love voluntourists. Bring cash OR credit cards! :-D Rick |
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