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Capt. JG wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:


You mean like the Bu****s wrt to wiretapping, anti-abortion, and
torturing people by proxy?

Glad you could stay on topic.




It was absolutely OT, due to this:

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one sort
or
another.

Don't know much about CO2 issues do you. Well, no problem. Most reputable
scientests know the real story.


i agree most reputable scientists know the story. That's why htye are
starting to speak up and disagree with the whole man-made global warming BS.

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Maxprop wrote:
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.

Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a typical GW
cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than what we're
observing in this one.

Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see only
one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts which might
dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success in
passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land. Neither
have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion of pollution,
let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical environmentalists have
contrived a plan to get everyone's attention: global warming. It is little
more than a scare tactic to attempt to frighten a world populace into
adopting some clean and green practices. But it has been a failure, and
will be forgotten soon, much the same as the aluminum cookware/cancer scare
of the 1960s. The GW movement has gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly
those who want to believe, as opposed to those who can be convinced by hard
science and an examination of both sides of the issue--but even they will
eventually put their vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of
substantive evidence. Thirty years from now, GW will be something people
chuckle about--just another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on board
with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up the planet
and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a future environment
that will be conducive to a healthy human existence. But the evidence
*against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for* it, and to turn a
blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human race may, indeed, be
responsible for some component of the warming of the planet, but the degree
of that contribution is unknown, and the significance of it cannot be
accurately predicted at this time. Until we have better data, I see no
reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show me the money . . . er, evidence,
and I'll be among GW's most outspoken. Until then, I'm more than just a
little ****ed at the distraction that the GW folks have created, taking the
impetus away from the known and quantifiable aspects of global pollution.
I'll continue to work for cleaner air, water, and land. The sooner we get
past this GW phenomenon and get back to the real business of cleaning up the
planet, the better.

Max

Well said. I've been in the same camp for years.

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.

Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a typical
GW cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than what we're
observing in this one.

Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see only
one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts which might
dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success in
passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land. Neither
have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion of
pollution, let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical
environmentalists have contrived a plan to get everyone's attention:
global warming. It is little more than a scare tactic to attempt to
frighten a world populace into adopting some clean and green practices.
But it has been a failure, and will be forgotten soon, much the same as
the aluminum cookware/cancer scare of the 1960s. The GW movement has
gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly those who want to believe, as
opposed to those who can be convinced by hard science and an examination
of both sides of the issue--but even they will eventually put their
vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of substantive evidence.
Thirty years from now, GW will be something people chuckle about--just
another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on
board with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up the
planet and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a future
environment that will be conducive to a healthy human existence. But the
evidence *against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for* it, and to
turn a blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human race may,
indeed, be responsible for some component of the warming of the planet,
but the degree of that contribution is unknown, and the significance of
it cannot be accurately predicted at this time. Until we have better
data, I see no reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show me the money . .
. er, evidence, and I'll be among GW's most outspoken. Until then, I'm
more than just a little ****ed at the distraction that the GW folks have
created, taking the impetus away from the known and quantifiable aspects
of global pollution. I'll continue to work for cleaner air, water, and
land. The sooner we get past this GW phenomenon and get back to the real
business of cleaning up the planet, the better.

Max

Well said. I've been in the same camp for years.

Do you own a Cessna 310? One of my favorite airplanes. I've got about 400
hours in type.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.
Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a typical
GW cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than what we're
observing in this one.
Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see only
one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts which might
dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success in
passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land. Neither
have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion of
pollution, let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical
environmentalists have contrived a plan to get everyone's attention:
global warming. It is little more than a scare tactic to attempt to
frighten a world populace into adopting some clean and green practices.
But it has been a failure, and will be forgotten soon, much the same as
the aluminum cookware/cancer scare of the 1960s. The GW movement has
gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly those who want to believe, as
opposed to those who can be convinced by hard science and an examination
of both sides of the issue--but even they will eventually put their
vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of substantive evidence.
Thirty years from now, GW will be something people chuckle about--just
another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on
board with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up the
planet and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a future
environment that will be conducive to a healthy human existence. But the
evidence *against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for* it, and to
turn a blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human race may,
indeed, be responsible for some component of the warming of the planet,
but the degree of that contribution is unknown, and the significance of
it cannot be accurately predicted at this time. Until we have better
data, I see no reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show me the money . .
. er, evidence, and I'll be among GW's most outspoken. Until then, I'm
more than just a little ****ed at the distraction that the GW folks have
created, taking the impetus away from the known and quantifiable aspects
of global pollution. I'll continue to work for cleaner air, water, and
land. The sooner we get past this GW phenomenon and get back to the real
business of cleaning up the planet, the better.

Max
Well said. I've been in the same camp for years.

Do you own a Cessna 310? One of my favorite airplanes. I've got about 400
hours in type.

Max



Flew one in corporate charter for years. Great plane. Got about 3000
in type, 4500tt. Still my fav.

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out
which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in the
atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.
Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a
typical GW cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than
what we're observing in this one.
Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see
only one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts
which might dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success
in passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land.
Neither have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion
of pollution, let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical
environmentalists have contrived a plan to get everyone's attention:
global warming. It is little more than a scare tactic to attempt to
frighten a world populace into adopting some clean and green practices.
But it has been a failure, and will be forgotten soon, much the same as
the aluminum cookware/cancer scare of the 1960s. The GW movement has
gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly those who want to believe, as
opposed to those who can be convinced by hard science and an
examination of both sides of the issue--but even they will eventually
put their vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of substantive
evidence. Thirty years from now, GW will be something people chuckle
about--just another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on
board with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up
the planet and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a
future environment that will be conducive to a healthy human existence.
But the evidence *against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for*
it, and to turn a blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human
race may, indeed, be responsible for some component of the warming of
the planet, but the degree of that contribution is unknown, and the
significance of it cannot be accurately predicted at this time. Until
we have better data, I see no reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show
me the money . . . er, evidence, and I'll be among GW's most outspoken.
Until then, I'm more than just a little ****ed at the distraction that
the GW folks have created, taking the impetus away from the known and
quantifiable aspects of global pollution. I'll continue to work for
cleaner air, water, and land. The sooner we get past this GW
phenomenon and get back to the real business of cleaning up the planet,
the better.

Max
Well said. I've been in the same camp for years.

Do you own a Cessna 310? One of my favorite airplanes. I've got about
400 hours in type.

Max

Flew one in corporate charter for years. Great plane. Got about 3000 in
type, 4500tt. Still my fav.

Most of my flying was building time for an airline career that never
materialized. You've got me by a couple thousand hours. I flew skydivers
off and on for a decade, most in Super Twin Otters and King Airs. My
favorite airplane is a Pilatus Super Porter--ugly as sin (big box) but flies
like a dream and carries just about anything you can cram into it. After
dropping jumpers, I'd aim the spinner at Mother Earth, reverse the prop and
descend with them at 115 kts. I could usually get on the ground before
them. Got written up by the Friendly Aviation Agency a couple of times for
"flying too close to jumpers." Great plane.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior
and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or
auto emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured
out which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels
"appear" greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained
by the outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The
same reason carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for
hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an
ice age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in
the atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.

On this you and I agree completely. In fact I couldn't agree more. But
please don't expect me to believe that the increase in atmospheric co2 is
the prime reason our planet is warming. The evidence for that is nebulous
at best, and ignores the more likely factors which include, among others,
that the planet is simply in a warming trend, which it has been for several
thousand years.

What disturbs me, Jon, is that I haven't seen anything from you about
cleaning up the planet. Or don't you care?

Max

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Capt. JG wrote:
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.


We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...
Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in the
atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.




Fact? Really? Its been proven without a doubt that man is the reason
for increased CO2 levels? That's in question. And its even more in
question as to whether CO2 is the cause of the result of GW. So your
statement is not founded in FACT, but rather in CONJECTURE.

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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.
Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a
typical GW cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than
what we're observing in this one.
Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see
only one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts
which might dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success
in passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land.
Neither have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion
of pollution, let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical
environmentalists have contrived a plan to get everyone's attention:
global warming. It is little more than a scare tactic to attempt to
frighten a world populace into adopting some clean and green practices.
But it has been a failure, and will be forgotten soon, much the same as
the aluminum cookware/cancer scare of the 1960s. The GW movement has
gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly those who want to believe, as
opposed to those who can be convinced by hard science and an
examination of both sides of the issue--but even they will eventually
put their vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of substantive
evidence. Thirty years from now, GW will be something people chuckle
about--just another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on
board with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up
the planet and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a
future environment that will be conducive to a healthy human existence.
But the evidence *against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for*
it, and to turn a blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human
race may, indeed, be responsible for some component of the warming of
the planet, but the degree of that contribution is unknown, and the
significance of it cannot be accurately predicted at this time. Until
we have better data, I see no reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show
me the money . . . er, evidence, and I'll be among GW's most outspoken.
Until then, I'm more than just a little ****ed at the distraction that
the GW folks have created, taking the impetus away from the known and
quantifiable aspects of global pollution. I'll continue to work for
cleaner air, water, and land. The sooner we get past this GW
phenomenon and get back to the real business of cleaning up the planet,
the better.

Max
Well said. I've been in the same camp for years.
Do you own a Cessna 310? One of my favorite airplanes. I've got about
400 hours in type.

Max
Flew one in corporate charter for years. Great plane. Got about 3000 in
type, 4500tt. Still my fav.

Most of my flying was building time for an airline career that never
materialized. You've got me by a couple thousand hours. I flew skydivers
off and on for a decade, most in Super Twin Otters and King Airs. My
favorite airplane is a Pilatus Super Porter--ugly as sin (big box) but flies
like a dream and carries just about anything you can cram into it. After
dropping jumpers, I'd aim the spinner at Mother Earth, reverse the prop and
descend with them at 115 kts. I could usually get on the ground before
them. Got written up by the Friendly Aviation Agency a couple of times for
"flying too close to jumpers." Great plane.

Max



Sounds cool. Have seen pictures of that maneuver. Have some time in 18s
and 99s, but that was maybe the most unpleasant part of my aviation
life. Not the planes, but the circumstances.

Interesting that I was on the same track before the bottom fell out of
commercial airline opportunities. I got out 20 years ago and started
down a different path.

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:12:29 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Most of my flying was building time for an airline career that never
materialized.

Max


Just one disappointment after another for poor failed Maxpoop...


CWM


Many of us were heading down that path before commercial airlines
started having serious problems. Employment opportunities dried up and
salaries didn't go anywhere. Why would anyone want to go after a job
when the industry turned into a nightmare?