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Too bad you are not a gentleman Rob. You would see that
there is more to the argument that one side. I believe that
we should take reasonable measures to protect the environment
I just don't agree with all the BS associated with your liberal
views on how it is caused.


Study the Little Ice Age and consider all the ramifications.
Ask also what was the period just before the Little Ice Age like?
Warm eh? Very warm? With bountiful crops? How could that be?




Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now. Did you even read the
Oregon Petition. They mostly agree on global warming. The concensus is
in question, but the VAST MAJORITY of scientists and scientific
institutions know what's happening because the last 3 years of data is
beyond question. Of course some of those very same doubting scientists
claimed that the Alaskan shelf would not melt in 100 years. Gee
wiz...a big unk of it went in 4 years.
Only a simpleton applies polictical parties and agenda's to an obvious
problem like this. Meanwhile, doesn't toss you a clue when a petition
is signed and the names are not questioned? You couldn't have done
more than a minutes worth of googling or you might have discovered
that. But of course, believing in some sort of "liberal ,movement"
that will injure our dumb auto builders is all you really care about.
Fortunately there are many people like me who can actually read and
comprehend and understand a geological time table. It's so insane.
Most scientists agreed on those tables and data...until they indicated
we were in an unatural man made phase of atmospheric disturbance. So
what kind of person is will to rework accepted truths to suit a
political agenda? What kind of person dismisses truth because he
doesn't care for the messengers? History is repleat with these
lowlifes and Bart is of the same cloth.
Global warming is real, folks. Virtually every scientific organization
agrees on that. They also agree that nothing in the known geological
timetable hints at such an abrubt change, except for those dealt by
planetary impacts. So what's left? 100 years of pouring soot into our
air, chemstry into the oceans and grime on the ice. The Earth is big,
but it's not immune to such an attack and we're seeing that now.
The bottom line is that we'll see the truth very soon. But just like
Iraq, there will always be those who refuse to see the obvious.

There were no WMD's, Bart.
Bin Laden is still free.
We still have meager forces in Iraq, and that was the case even when there was support for the war. Why?
Bush based his war on photos shown on TV that were between 8-12 years old, though more recent pics existed to refute the evidence.
There is video of Bush, Condoliza and so on laughing at the idea of Iraq as a US threat, taken after 9/11.
Most scientists agree that global warming is real and that it's not part of a natural cycle. A few small groups that were on the fence have since come to agree on the issue including 1/3 of those from the Oregon Petition who actually had credentials.
You will never wake up because you view the world as liberals/republicans/democrats and so on. You don't even know that those words are used to manipulate you and have long since lost their true meanings. That's why any true republican, who knows what the party stands for, is against Bush, who has virtually NO republican values. But there are always a dopey group of Americans willing to buy anything if it says MADE IN THE USA stamped on the box.

I can't help you, Bart. Probably no one can. If the shelfs melt and
sea levels kill millions, who will you blame? Clinton? The Liberals?
Naturally all efforts will go into trying to afix blame rather than
dealing with the problem head on, and you'll be top of the class.
Finally, there is a big difference between acting like a gentleman and
actually being one. You have no idea what that difference is since you
continue to spout uneducated and unsolicted politican and psuedo
scientic nonsense here.
And that's why I'm truly a gentleman, Bart. That's why I have
everything you don't. I have a beautiful wife and son....great
friends, a new home and lakefront land, two new cars, a nice boat that
actually sailed today and isn't being refit to the end of time and so
on.
And all you have is a bitterness towards imaginary liberals who are
trying to save the spotted Owl and bring down General Motors. The
problem is not the Owl, Bart. It's Americans like you who have no
vision or sense of world responsibility. Greedy Americans who not only
have a international "us or them" mentality, but one for their fellow
Americans as well.
Bart, you're the absolute bottom filth of the worst imaginable type of
American. Even a serial killer has insanity in his defense. You have
only ingnorance fueled by bigotry and conservative mania.
And that's no defense at all.

Shame on you.



RB
35s5
NY

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG" said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out
which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
It's always sad when seemingly intelligent people ignore serious
environmental problems simply because they don't like the people who
are involved in trying to fix them. Most major scientific
organizations, including my father's friends at The Museum of Natural
History know what's happening They have a research station in
Greenland and it's downright scary.
Talking about Kyoto vs. the economy is truly sad. Nothing should come
before the health of this planet and there are trillions to eventually
be made off of new energy processes. The folks fighting all of this
have their hands in the old technology and they don't care about
future generations.
It's absolutley staggering to me that anyone who sails could ever
think that the economy should come before an issue like this.
Staggering.

http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/tmorris...emelt_2002.jpg

You can google up all the pics you want. They all show the same
thing.

As for the Oregon Petition....

In 2005, Scientific American reported:

" Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories
claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we
were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed
with the petition -- one was an active climate researcher, two others
had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal
evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did
not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer
repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters
include a core of about 200 climate researchers - a respectable
number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological
community.

and better yet....

In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate
names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the
petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names
without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal &
Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently
phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major
weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the
names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g.,
institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?


Nice work, Bart. You're a ****ing idiot. Notice the latest twice a
year accidental dumping in the LIS? I guess you don't believe that
either.



RB
35s5
NY



Try reviewing historical trends over the last sever warming / cooling
cycles. No differences between those and the current cycle except that
some were more extreme than what we have today.

Criticize all you want. Personally attack those with differing views.
But you can't change history.

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Capt. JG wrote:



You mean like the Bu****s wrt to wiretapping, anti-abortion, and torturing
people by proxy?


Glad you could stay on topic.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Too bad you are not a gentleman Rob. You would see that
there is more to the argument that one side. I believe that
we should take reasonable measures to protect the environment
I just don't agree with all the BS associated with your liberal
views on how it is caused.


Study the Little Ice Age and consider all the ramifications.
Ask also what was the period just before the Little Ice Age like?
Warm eh? Very warm? With bountiful crops? How could that be?



Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.


Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a typical
GW cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than what we're
observing in this one.



Did you even read the
Oregon Petition. They mostly agree on global warming. The concensus is
in question, but the VAST MAJORITY of scientists and scientific
institutions know what's happening because the last 3 years of data is
beyond question. Of course some of those very same doubting scientists
claimed that the Alaskan shelf would not melt in 100 years. Gee
wiz...a big unk of it went in 4 years.
Only a simpleton applies polictical parties and agenda's to an obvious
problem like this. Meanwhile, doesn't toss you a clue when a petition
is signed and the names are not questioned? You couldn't have done
more than a minutes worth of googling or you might have discovered
that. But of course, believing in some sort of "liberal ,movement"
that will injure our dumb auto builders is all you really care about.
Fortunately there are many people like me who can actually read and
comprehend and understand a geological time table. It's so insane.
Most scientists agreed on those tables and data...until they indicated
we were in an unatural man made phase of atmospheric disturbance. So
what kind of person is will to rework accepted truths to suit a
political agenda? What kind of person dismisses truth because he
doesn't care for the messengers? History is repleat with these
lowlifes and Bart is of the same cloth.
Global warming is real, folks. Virtually every scientific organization
agrees on that. They also agree that nothing in the known geological
timetable hints at such an abrubt change, except for those dealt by
planetary impacts. So what's left? 100 years of pouring soot into our
air, chemstry into the oceans and grime on the ice. The Earth is big,
but it's not immune to such an attack and we're seeing that now.
The bottom line is that we'll see the truth very soon. But just like
Iraq, there will always be those who refuse to see the obvious.

There were no WMD's, Bart.
Bin Laden is still free.
We still have meager forces in Iraq, and that was the case even when there was support for the war. Why?
Bush based his war on photos shown on TV that were between 8-12 years old, though more recent pics existed to refute the evidence.
There is video of Bush, Condoliza and so on laughing at the idea of Iraq as a US threat, taken after 9/11.
Most scientists agree that global warming is real and that it's not part of a natural cycle. A few small groups that were on the fence have since come to agree on the issue including 1/3 of those from the Oregon Petition who actually had credentials.
You will never wake up because you view the world as liberals/republicans/democrats and so on. You don't even know that those words are used to manipulate you and have long since lost their true meanings. That's why any true republican, who knows what the party stands for, is against Bush, who has virtually NO republican values. But there are always a dopey group of Americans willing to buy anything if it says MADE IN THE USA stamped on the box.

I can't help you, Bart. Probably no one can. If the shelfs melt and
sea levels kill millions, who will you blame? Clinton? The Liberals?
Naturally all efforts will go into trying to afix blame rather than
dealing with the problem head on, and you'll be top of the class.
Finally, there is a big difference between acting like a gentleman and
actually being one. You have no idea what that difference is since you
continue to spout uneducated and unsolicted politican and psuedo
scientic nonsense here.
And that's why I'm truly a gentleman, Bart. That's why I have
everything you don't. I have a beautiful wife and son....great
friends, a new home and lakefront land, two new cars, a nice boat that
actually sailed today and isn't being refit to the end of time and so
on.
And all you have is a bitterness towards imaginary liberals who are
trying to save the spotted Owl and bring down General Motors. The
problem is not the Owl, Bart. It's Americans like you who have no
vision or sense of world responsibility. Greedy Americans who not only
have a international "us or them" mentality, but one for their fellow
Americans as well.
Bart, you're the absolute bottom filth of the worst imaginable type of
American. Even a serial killer has insanity in his defense. You have
only ingnorance fueled by bigotry and conservative mania.
And that's no defense at all.

Shame on you.



RB
35s5
NY


Those personal attacks are becoming so typical of those that refuse to
view both sides on an issue.

Its all about following the money. Create a panic and then profit from
it.

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:



You mean like the Bu****s wrt to wiretapping, anti-abortion, and
torturing people by proxy?


Glad you could stay on topic.




It was absolutely OT, due to this:

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one sort
or
another.

Don't know much about CO2 issues do you. Well, no problem. Most reputable
scientests know the real story.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one sort
or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out which
way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we were
pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Like I said, SAD. There is nothing in our geological history that
comes close to the changes we are seeing now.


Not only is there geological history that indicates we are in a typical GW
cycle, but some of those previous cycles are worse than what we're
observing in this one.

Very true. Bubbles is typical of those who myopically choose to see only
one side of an issue, failing completely to examine the facts which might
dispute their contention.

My take on global warming: The ardent environmentalists, of which I
consider myself one of the most ardent, have had little or no success in
passing measures, either legislatively or economically, which will
effectively begin to clean up the planet's air, water, and land. Neither
have they/we been successful in just mitigating the expansion of pollution,
let alone reducing it. Subsequently the most radical environmentalists have
contrived a plan to get everyone's attention: global warming. It is little
more than a scare tactic to attempt to frighten a world populace into
adopting some clean and green practices. But it has been a failure, and
will be forgotten soon, much the same as the aluminum cookware/cancer scare
of the 1960s. The GW movement has gotten a lot of folks on board--mostly
those who want to believe, as opposed to those who can be convinced by hard
science and an examination of both sides of the issue--but even they will
eventually put their vigorous, evangelistic dogma aside for lack of
substantive evidence. Thirty years from now, GW will be something people
chuckle about--just another chapter in the humor of human existence.

You might claim I'm not an environmentalist at all because I'm not on board
with the whole GW thing. Not true. I believe that cleaning up the planet
and reducing the levels of pollution are paramount for a future environment
that will be conducive to a healthy human existence. But the evidence
*against* GW is at least as substantial as that *for* it, and to turn a
blind eye toward it is a fool's errand. The human race may, indeed, be
responsible for some component of the warming of the planet, but the degree
of that contribution is unknown, and the significance of it cannot be
accurately predicted at this time. Until we have better data, I see no
reason to jump on the GW bandwagon. Show me the money . . . er, evidence,
and I'll be among GW's most outspoken. Until then, I'm more than just a
little ****ed at the distraction that the GW folks have created, taking the
impetus away from the known and quantifiable aspects of global pollution.
I'll continue to work for cleaner air, water, and land. The sooner we get
past this GW phenomenon and get back to the real business of cleaning up the
planet, the better.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Cessna 310" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out
which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we were
pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

Don't know much about CO2 issues do you. Well, no problem. Most reputable
scientests know the real story.

And those scientists whose expertise on co2 leads them away from your belief
are disreputable?

Max